Bow Bow Best DPS in game?

getemshauna

Hey guys, am I allowed to use Mother's Sorrow with Julianos, or I'll be accused of copying somebody?

hedna123b14_ESO

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

Trapping webs has always been good, but I dont like that it'll be used on tanks again...

Man I had such high hopes for trapping webs. Seeing it become another tank synergy kinda hurts my brain cells though.( I guess thats what you get when you change wir for poison cost reduction)

If there are more than 2 stam using the synergy, they would be the ones running it, so it all depends on how many ranged stam there will be

Toc de Malsvi

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Marshall1289 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Honestly, outside of a tiny handful, like the Maelstrom Bow and Destro Staff, the vast majority of the ability altering weapons are either very niche, or not that good. Which is really unfortunate, because a lot of these weapons could do really cool things, and they don't.

Yup...if blackrose bow could crit it would actually be worth it to use...

Oh but it does Crit, not in a traditional sense, but in the sense that if your initial hit Crits, the dot applied Crits everytime or the opposite, if it doesn't Crit the dot doesn't Crit for the entire duration. With 100% Crit DMG and the direct DMG hitting for 10k, the dot is 5k per tick every 2sec, with a Crit the initial hit would be 20k, with the dot hitting 10k per tick.

Long shot and hawk eye passives buff scatter shot, therefore the dot based on scattershot as well.

I find it hard to believe you couldn't cheese some juicy parses out of that bow. It also gives 1 piece Crit, allows you to double bar warband (lower investment in to piercing cp with 100% uptime on the 4pc pen). The duration of the dot is 12sec at max range, perfect for rotation.

I get what you mean, but the damage is just so bad...

I cheesed it for a parse with TFS and Lover on a sorc, no Major Fracture though, and of course no Minor Berserk or Trapping Webs.

Problem is Warband is really a great one bar set, you get virtually the same value one bar as double barred. I don't see it being worth double bar. If going max range with Warband might as well run Stormfist and front bar Warband.

You would never double bar any set...vMA too Stronk:)

... Talking about Blackrose front, VMA back. 5 Relequen +5 of Warband on body. Of course you wouldn't drop VMA My point being Warband gives effectively the same value if only on main bar, unless you are regularly using 5+ back bar skills in a row.

hedna123b14_ESO

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Marshall1289 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Honestly, outside of a tiny handful, like the Maelstrom Bow and Destro Staff, the vast majority of the ability altering weapons are either very niche, or not that good. Which is really unfortunate, because a lot of these weapons could do really cool things, and they don't.

Yup...if blackrose bow could crit it would actually be worth it to use...

Oh but it does Crit, not in a traditional sense, but in the sense that if your initial hit Crits, the dot applied Crits everytime or the opposite, if it doesn't Crit the dot doesn't Crit for the entire duration. With 100% Crit DMG and the direct DMG hitting for 10k, the dot is 5k per tick every 2sec, with a Crit the initial hit would be 20k, with the dot hitting 10k per tick.

Long shot and hawk eye passives buff scatter shot, therefore the dot based on scattershot as well.

I find it hard to believe you couldn't cheese some juicy parses out of that bow. It also gives 1 piece Crit, allows you to double bar warband (lower investment in to piercing cp with 100% uptime on the 4pc pen). The duration of the dot is 12sec at max range, perfect for rotation.

I get what you mean, but the damage is just so bad...

I cheesed it for a parse with TFS and Lover on a sorc, no Major Fracture though, and of course no Minor Berserk or Trapping Webs.

Problem is Warband is really a great one bar set, you get virtually the same value one bar as double barred. I don't see it being worth double bar. If going max range with Warband might as well run Stormfist and front bar Warband.

You would never double bar any set...vMA too Stronk:)

... Talking about Blackrose front, VMA back. 5 Relequen +5 of Warband on body. Of course you wouldn't drop VMA My point being Warband gives effectively the same value if only on main bar, unless you are regularly using 5+ back bar skills in a row.

I wish the proc would crit...would be amazing...

Toc de Malsvi

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Marshall1289 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Honestly, outside of a tiny handful, like the Maelstrom Bow and Destro Staff, the vast majority of the ability altering weapons are either very niche, or not that good. Which is really unfortunate, because a lot of these weapons could do really cool things, and they don't.

Yup...if blackrose bow could crit it would actually be worth it to use...

Oh but it does Crit, not in a traditional sense, but in the sense that if your initial hit Crits, the dot applied Crits everytime or the opposite, if it doesn't Crit the dot doesn't Crit for the entire duration. With 100% Crit DMG and the direct DMG hitting for 10k, the dot is 5k per tick every 2sec, with a Crit the initial hit would be 20k, with the dot hitting 10k per tick.

Long shot and hawk eye passives buff scatter shot, therefore the dot based on scattershot as well.

I find it hard to believe you couldn't cheese some juicy parses out of that bow. It also gives 1 piece Crit, allows you to double bar warband (lower investment in to piercing cp with 100% uptime on the 4pc pen). The duration of the dot is 12sec at max range, perfect for rotation.

I get what you mean, but the damage is just so bad...

I cheesed it for a parse with TFS and Lover on a sorc, no Major Fracture though, and of course no Minor Berserk or Trapping Webs.

Problem is Warband is really a great one bar set, you get virtually the same value one bar as double barred. I don't see it being worth double bar. If going max range with Warband might as well run Stormfist and front bar Warband.

You would never double bar any set...vMA too Stronk:)

... Talking about Blackrose front, VMA back. 5 Relequen +5 of Warband on body. Of course you wouldn't drop VMA My point being Warband gives effectively the same value if only on main bar, unless you are regularly using 5+ back bar skills in a row.

I wish the proc would crit...would be amazing...

I wish the dot wasn't pathetic if you you aren't at range. dropping to 4-8 seconds outside of max range is ridiculous.

hedna123b14_ESO

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Marshall1289 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Honestly, outside of a tiny handful, like the Maelstrom Bow and Destro Staff, the vast majority of the ability altering weapons are either very niche, or not that good. Which is really unfortunate, because a lot of these weapons could do really cool things, and they don't.

Yup...if blackrose bow could crit it would actually be worth it to use...

Oh but it does Crit, not in a traditional sense, but in the sense that if your initial hit Crits, the dot applied Crits everytime or the opposite, if it doesn't Crit the dot doesn't Crit for the entire duration. With 100% Crit DMG and the direct DMG hitting for 10k, the dot is 5k per tick every 2sec, with a Crit the initial hit would be 20k, with the dot hitting 10k per tick.

Long shot and hawk eye passives buff scatter shot, therefore the dot based on scattershot as well.

I find it hard to believe you couldn't cheese some juicy parses out of that bow. It also gives 1 piece Crit, allows you to double bar warband (lower investment in to piercing cp with 100% uptime on the 4pc pen). The duration of the dot is 12sec at max range, perfect for rotation.

I get what you mean, but the damage is just so bad...

I cheesed it for a parse with TFS and Lover on a sorc, no Major Fracture though, and of course no Minor Berserk or Trapping Webs.

Problem is Warband is really a great one bar set, you get virtually the same value one bar as double barred. I don't see it being worth double bar. If going max range with Warband might as well run Stormfist and front bar Warband.

You would never double bar any set...vMA too Stronk:)

... Talking about Blackrose front, VMA back. 5 Relequen +5 of Warband on body. Of course you wouldn't drop VMA My point being Warband gives effectively the same value if only on main bar, unless you are regularly using 5+ back bar skills in a row.

I wish the proc would crit...would be amazing...

I wish the dot wasn't pathetic if you you aren't at range. dropping to 4-8 seconds outside of max range is ridiculous.

That too...honestly if they wanted to keep the dot a non critting proc, but make the bow relevant, they should have just made the % of the bleed be 100%. Also Asylum bow could be equally amazing if the bonus it applied last for the full duration, not until one skill was cast...

Illuvatarr

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

So apparently Bow/Bow is the highest DPS (PVE) in the game....LOL!
Original idea goes to Seb Williams of Hodor who did it on a Stamblade:)

Here is the Warden Rendition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmVWzR4wmpQ&feature=youtu.be

Of course bow is the best dps in game. It’s a stam ranged line. In the mind of the developers of this game, stamina skills need to be better on all counts. Better burst damage (and much much easier to deliver), better heals, better armor and resists, better cc, better close range combat abilities and now better ranged abilities. Magicka does have an edge on group aoe.

Don’t kid yourself into seeing it otherwise. The ease with which my stamplar can kill things is comical compared to how much harder it is on my mag sorc (mag sorc still has a higher ceiling for the very very best players but is much more unforgiving).

Bow is hands down the best ranged skill line in game and other ranged skill lines should be brought to parity with it.

starkerealm

getemshauna wrote: »

Hey guys, am I allowed to use Mother's Sorrow with Julianos, or I'll be accused of copying somebody?

Alcast is watching you. :P

hedna123b14_ESO

starkerealm wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

xynode wrote: »

...you have 12.8k health due to your spammy recovery food. Which means again without those bubbles you were also receiving, you cannot sustain it or survive a passing breeze.

It's cool:

Not sure if you're trolling, but I'll assume you arent. My health is low because I'm using Lava Soup, a stamina/stam regen food needed to simulate endgame sustain in trials, since you get several sources of regen such as Hircines and Sentinel for example.

Legitimately, health doesn't matter when you're parsing, and if you're specifically chasing higher parse numbers, there's no reason to maintain any survivability on your build. There's nothing inherently wrong with this, so long as you remember that's the content you're building for.

The other thing had to do with the spider spam.

We are raiding next week, so i should have some raid parses from this...hoping this is as sick as it seems.

Be sure to let us know how that works out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jR7omMEMDw&feature=youtu.be

Switched up the rotation...

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

xynode wrote: »

...you have 12.8k health due to your spammy recovery food. Which means again without those bubbles you were also receiving, you cannot sustain it or survive a passing breeze.

It's cool:

Not sure if you're trolling, but I'll assume you arent. My health is low because I'm using Lava Soup, a stamina/stam regen food needed to simulate endgame sustain in trials, since you get several sources of regen such as Hircines and Sentinel for example.

Legitimately, health doesn't matter when you're parsing, and if you're specifically chasing higher parse numbers, there's no reason to maintain any survivability on your build. There's nothing inherently wrong with this, so long as you remember that's the content you're building for.

The other thing had to do with the spider spam.

We are raiding next week, so i should have some raid parses from this...hoping this is as sick as it seems.

Be sure to let us know how that works out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jR7omMEMDw&feature=youtu.be

Switched up the rotation...

Hopefully more people see this and start using shadow silk. Such a powerful synergy.

Cathexis

Haha we going Snipes this meta? I've been dropping double bow before your characters were a gleam in your minds eye.

Cheers boys.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Cathexis wrote: »

Haha we going Snipes this meta? I've been dropping double bow before your characters were a gleam in your minds eye.

Cheers boys.

It is a trapping webs meta. Look at his combat metrics.

DoonerSeraph

Of all the things, I never though I would see the day where someone asked for freaking Trapping Webs to be nerfed 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

Olupajmibanan

One question:
When a petsorc uses the synergy, will the spiders be buffed by Daedric Prey?

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

DoonerSeraph wrote: »

Of all the things, I never though I would see the day where someone asked for freaking Trapping Webs to be nerfed 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

Where do you see anyone asking for a nerf?

hedna123b14_ESO

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

One question:
When a petsorc uses the synergy, will the spiders be buffed by Daedric Prey?

Not sure

hedna123b14_ESO

Cathexis wrote: »

Haha we going Snipes this meta? I've been dropping double bow before your characters were a gleam in your minds eye.

Cheers boys.

Try again:)
Lol https://imgur.com/gallery/Z0ZbhTm

kylewwefan

Looks good! I like it! Unfortunately I see a whole bunch of bow tards coming out of the woodwork that try to copy your work, but still just suck like every other double bow player I’ve ever seen.

Olupajmibanan

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

One question:
When a petsorc uses the synergy, will the spiders be buffed by Daedric Prey?

Not sure

Just tested it. Spiders standard attack and poison they apply is buffed by Daedric Prey. As it seems petsorc might be a good adept for the synergy as well.

Olupajmibanan

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

One question:
When a petsorc uses the synergy, will the spiders be buffed by Daedric Prey?

Not sure

Just tested it. Spiders standard attack and poison they apply is buffed by Daedric Prey. As it seems petsorc might be a good adept for the synergy as well.

Okay it is not. Spiders scale with Stamina and WD of the synergy user.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

One question:
When a petsorc uses the synergy, will the spiders be buffed by Daedric Prey?

Not sure

Just tested it. Spiders standard attack and poison they apply is buffed by Daedric Prey. As it seems petsorc might be a good adept for the synergy as well.

Okay it is not. Spiders scale with Stamina and WD of the synergy user.

daedric prey on a bow/bow stamsorc?

Gilvoth

i love Bow.
i have been playing bow since now 15 years on MMOs and SP games.
long live the Long Bow!

Toc de Malsvi

kylewwefan wrote: »

Looks good! I like it! Unfortunately I see a whole bunch of bow tards coming out of the woodwork that try to copy your work, but still just suck like every other double bow player I’ve ever seen.

Perhaps you don't get around much.

I cannot count all the DestroSpecial I think a staff makes me Gandalf, 2H on the bat to swing at air, S&B watched too many gladiator movies, and DW ballerinas that literally cannot grasp how to dodgeroll/block much less pretend to deal damage.

I didn't feel the need to try and latch onto a social trend of stigmatizing a specific weapon setup because I've seen bad players use it poorly.

Olupajmibanan

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

One question:
When a petsorc uses the synergy, will the spiders be buffed by Daedric Prey?

Not sure

Just tested it. Spiders standard attack and poison they apply is buffed by Daedric Prey. As it seems petsorc might be a good adept for the synergy as well.

Okay it is not. Spiders scale with Stamina and WD of the synergy user.

daedric prey on a bow/bow stamsorc?

That could work. But would you build your character around one specific synergy?

JobooAGS

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

One question:
When a petsorc uses the synergy, will the spiders be buffed by Daedric Prey?

Not sure

Just tested it. Spiders standard attack and poison they apply is buffed by Daedric Prey. As it seems petsorc might be a good adept for the synergy as well.

Okay it is not. Spiders scale with Stamina and WD of the synergy user.

daedric prey on a bow/bow stamsorc?

That could work. But would you build your character around one specific synergy?

Maybe if that syrengy is doing 10k+ dps. It actually depends, I would like to see it tested

hedna123b14_ESO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4gYR-Af_z4&feature=youtu.be

There is a parse:) No Major Slayer either

klowdy1

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

xynode wrote: »

That warden build first of all is pretty much a RIP of the Yogi build on my channel and instead of using the original "gryphon" set is simply using the new set (Tzgorvin) for the same bonus (minor force) + a little extra crit. So hardly genius or ORIGINAL.

Secondly if you look at the combat metrics there are synergy damage effects in the form of black widows, bites and poisoned damage over time from them.

2.1% (Black widows) + 3.6% (bite) +6.9% (black widow poison) +6.3% (bite) of the damage procs towards your overall dps.. not to mention their procs allowed 52% uptime on Black widow poison! which would not happen solo.

Adding a taunt to simulate you have a tank for major fracture is fine since some classes have it in their spamable arsenal anyway so evens it out a BIT (not including minor berserk, which granted cannot be helped unless everyone gets combat prayer) but the rest is rigged.
12.8k health and talking about Raids? Next you will be telling me that Morag tong in your bag (yes i can see it) is not already on the tank. Granted it probably isn't but lets not talk bull to people here

18.9% of the overall dps is from the trapping webs synergy. I am glad you understand the skill's design but that does NOT count as a solo demonstration when almost 20% of your overall damage is not actually your setup alone.

65.9k dps with 18.9% removed (lets take away that synergy shall we? ) is actually 53.4449 which btw is ALSO not 100% accurate because you have 12.8k health due to your spammy recovery food. Which means again without those bubbles you were also receiving, you cannot sustain it or survive a passing breeze.

Nice rotation but this is nothing more than a skeleton competition whilst trying to name drop Hodor to get attention.

Ultimately there are no RULES for what does equate to a demonstration of "potential" exactly but if that IS the case then label it as such, rather than polishing a turd and calling it a gold nugget. Click bait will NOT make your channel grow, people figure this stuff out QUICKLY!

Lol...the title is a bait title obviously, I will add the word sarcasm next time, since apparently that has to be stated. As far as that being *your* build, that's a joke. The point of this build is to create the high damage that you can keep in Raids. The build only works with a specific combination of traits, skills and situations. If I copy your suggested build and take it into trials using the same trapping webs synergy, I would parse 10k below what this build parses.

In any case since you need it spelled out for you, the word "Solo-ish" indicates sarcasm...lol

There is nothing in your title, or video to indicate this is sarcastic, or a joke, so yes, when you're not funny, you need to let people know when you tell a joke. Otherwise, we all just sit and stare until you do finally notify everyone of your bad joke, and we say "oh," and force a short laugh, and a head nod, and go about our day.

hedna123b14_ESO

klowdy1 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

xynode wrote: »

That warden build first of all is pretty much a RIP of the Yogi build on my channel and instead of using the original "gryphon" set is simply using the new set (Tzgorvin) for the same bonus (minor force) + a little extra crit. So hardly genius or ORIGINAL.

Secondly if you look at the combat metrics there are synergy damage effects in the form of black widows, bites and poisoned damage over time from them.

2.1% (Black widows) + 3.6% (bite) +6.9% (black widow poison) +6.3% (bite) of the damage procs towards your overall dps.. not to mention their procs allowed 52% uptime on Black widow poison! which would not happen solo.

Adding a taunt to simulate you have a tank for major fracture is fine since some classes have it in their spamable arsenal anyway so evens it out a BIT (not including minor berserk, which granted cannot be helped unless everyone gets combat prayer) but the rest is rigged.
12.8k health and talking about Raids? Next you will be telling me that Morag tong in your bag (yes i can see it) is not already on the tank. Granted it probably isn't but lets not talk bull to people here

18.9% of the overall dps is from the trapping webs synergy. I am glad you understand the skill's design but that does NOT count as a solo demonstration when almost 20% of your overall damage is not actually your setup alone.

65.9k dps with 18.9% removed (lets take away that synergy shall we? ) is actually 53.4449 which btw is ALSO not 100% accurate because you have 12.8k health due to your spammy recovery food. Which means again without those bubbles you were also receiving, you cannot sustain it or survive a passing breeze.

Nice rotation but this is nothing more than a skeleton competition whilst trying to name drop Hodor to get attention.

Ultimately there are no RULES for what does equate to a demonstration of "potential" exactly but if that IS the case then label it as such, rather than polishing a turd and calling it a gold nugget. Click bait will NOT make your channel grow, people figure this stuff out QUICKLY!

Lol...the title is a bait title obviously, I will add the word sarcasm next time, since apparently that has to be stated. As far as that being *your* build, that's a joke. The point of this build is to create the high damage that you can keep in Raids. The build only works with a specific combination of traits, skills and situations. If I copy your suggested build and take it into trials using the same trapping webs synergy, I would parse 10k below what this build parses.

In any case since you need it spelled out for you, the word "Solo-ish" indicates sarcasm...lol

There is nothing in your title, or video to indicate this is sarcastic, or a joke, so yes, when you're not funny, you need to let people know when you tell a joke. Otherwise, we all just sit and stare until you do finally notify everyone of your bad joke, and we say "oh," and force a short laugh, and a head nod, and go about our day.

Cutie...in the video you see I use synergies, that's clearly not solo...smh...

CGPsaint

Great. Now can people please stop saying that Sorcs are OP?

Bladerunner1

Does anyone know how the spider synergy scales with the Harmony trait? Is it a direct multiplier or additive to other multipliers? I would assume resource return from orbs would scale by 35%.