green_villain wrote: »SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »I've had this happen in a former guild. GM was very trusting and promoted people she kinda knew. One kid emptied the guild bank and left during off-hours.
Don't promote people you don't know well.
its not about trust
read first post again
green_villain wrote: »magikarper wrote: »A lot of blaming the victim in this thread...when someone is betrayed, it doesn't automatically mean the crime was the fault of the victim. Maybe it was and maybe it wasn't in this particular case, but those who are certain it was OP's fault are jumping to conclusions. Those who say the names should be tracked dynamically are correct.
No one is blaming the OP. I am saying the OP could have preveted the event. The thief is still wrong.
Real life has a very similar analogy. Should a husband or wife clean out a bank account they share the legal authorities will do nothing about it.
Even if a divorce is then filed afterwords, if they money was already spent before the filing, it is not part of the shared assets anymore. Why would you expect more from ZOS than what is even possible in a real legal system?
if someone unknown robbed your credit card the bank will investigate and will provide some vebrose info to clear the situation
xb1LL_mr_sir_LL wrote: »Zos policy always blame the player. Even though they added abusable mechanics to the game and refuse to remove them.
i could scam 100 people today and not worry about what zos will do one bit. I know at most I'll get a 3 day ban.
I've never understood why zos protects scammers/bots even though logically it seems super counter productive to the player population.
Sorry, bottom line never give access to a player you have not known and validated to be of worthy character.
ZOS really is not to blame here. The tools are sufficient to prevent this issue.
Sorry, bottom line never give access to a player you have not known and validated to be of worthy character.
ZOS really is not to blame here. The tools are sufficient to prevent this issue.
Also other games don't allow you to simply change your account name so easily as well and some won't even let you change it at all, they just give scammers another way to be a rat
Sorry, bottom line never give access to a player you have not known and validated to be of worthy character.
ZOS really is not to blame here. The tools are sufficient to prevent this issue.
Also other games don't allow you to simply change your account name so easily as well and some won't even let you change it at all, they just give scammers another way to be a rat
Sorry, bottom line never give access to a player you have not known and validated to be of worthy character.
ZOS really is not to blame here. The tools are sufficient to prevent this issue.
Also other games don't allow you to simply change your account name so easily as well and some won't even let you change it at all, they just give scammers another way to be a rat
Agreed, but then the account name should never be visible to other players in the first place, it's a massive security risk.
Sorry, bottom line never give access to a player you have not known and validated to be of worthy character.
ZOS really is not to blame here. The tools are sufficient to prevent this issue.
Also other games don't allow you to simply change your account name so easily as well and some won't even let you change it at all, they just give scammers another way to be a rat
Agreed, but then the account name should never be visible to other players in the first place, it's a massive security risk.
I agree, only the avatar name should be available, never liked that ESO uses the account name for open reference.
starkerealm wrote: »Sorry, bottom line never give access to a player you have not known and validated to be of worthy character.
ZOS really is not to blame here. The tools are sufficient to prevent this issue.
Also other games don't allow you to simply change your account name so easily as well and some won't even let you change it at all, they just give scammers another way to be a rat
Agreed, but then the account name should never be visible to other players in the first place, it's a massive security risk.
I agree, only the avatar name should be available, never liked that ESO uses the account name for open reference.
That's, actually, worse.
Guild membership is account wide. Roll up a new character, empty guild bank, shuffle it wherever, nuke character, no evidence.
Two roads to the same destination.
starkerealm wrote: »Sorry, bottom line never give access to a player you have not known and validated to be of worthy character.
ZOS really is not to blame here. The tools are sufficient to prevent this issue.
Also other games don't allow you to simply change your account name so easily as well and some won't even let you change it at all, they just give scammers another way to be a rat
Agreed, but then the account name should never be visible to other players in the first place, it's a massive security risk.
I agree, only the avatar name should be available, never liked that ESO uses the account name for open reference.
That's, actually, worse.
Guild membership is account wide. Roll up a new character, empty guild bank, shuffle it wherever, nuke character, no evidence.
Two roads to the same destination.
Worse for guild bank control but better for user account security. I would rather have the account security.
What's even more funny, players also blame players. To the point that literal self-proclaimed scammers come and have audacity to lecture everyone on good conduct.xb1LL_mr_sir_LL wrote: »Zos policy always blame the player. Even though they added abusable mechanics to the game and refuse to remove them.
i could scam 100 people today and not worry about what zos will do one bit. I know at most I'll get a 3 day ban.
I've never understood why zos protects scammers/bots even though logically it seems super counter productive to the player population.
What's even more funny, players also blame players. To the point that literal self-proclaimed scammers come and have audacity to lecture everyone on good conduct.xb1LL_mr_sir_LL wrote: »Zos policy always blame the player. Even though they added abusable mechanics to the game and refuse to remove them.
i could scam 100 people today and not worry about what zos will do one bit. I know at most I'll get a 3 day ban.
I've never understood why zos protects scammers/bots even though logically it seems super counter productive to the player population.
Only ZOS is completely innocent and blameless.
green_villain wrote: »one of my officers changed his name
robbed all my bank
and then changed name back
i dont know who it was also Zenimax support wont help too = they wont tell me who is the real thief, his @id
i told him @id in guild history doesnt exist anymore but only answer i got was
its normal that Zenimax encourages robbery?
green_villain wrote: »one of my officers changed his name
robbed all my bank
and then changed name back
i dont know who it was also Zenimax support wont help too = they wont tell me who is the real thief, his @id
i told him @id in guild history doesnt exist anymore but only answer i got was
its normal that Zenimax encourages robbery?
Yes it is very normal...if Zenimax is the thieve!
Now on a serious note,
How do you know the player changed the @Name?....changing @Name should go through game-support request and has to have a reason. I personally changed my @name once right after the beta period was over.
If someone requested @Name replacement for malicious purpose then the player has to be banned from the game...and all the damage repaired if possible.
Just open one more ticket and demand a clear action:
"The player @XYZ took all the gold from ABC guild's bank on this date. No one gave player @XYZ access to the guild bank.
Please help us to recover the guild gold back."
Assuming that someone changed their @name is wrong. Maybe it was a game glitch, or a hack, or you might be right - but let ZOS do the investigation.
You just need the money back. Normally if they will find a player guilty of stealing , they will drop a ban.
Cheers!
green_villain wrote: »
What's even more funny, players also blame players. To the point that literal self-proclaimed scammers come and have audacity to lecture everyone on good conduct.xb1LL_mr_sir_LL wrote: »Zos policy always blame the player. Even though they added abusable mechanics to the game and refuse to remove them.
i could scam 100 people today and not worry about what zos will do one bit. I know at most I'll get a 3 day ban.
I've never understood why zos protects scammers/bots even though logically it seems super counter productive to the player population.
Only ZOS is completely innocent and blameless.
zParallaxz wrote: »What's even more funny, players also blame players. To the point that literal self-proclaimed scammers come and have audacity to lecture everyone on good conduct.xb1LL_mr_sir_LL wrote: »Zos policy always blame the player. Even though they added abusable mechanics to the game and refuse to remove them.
i could scam 100 people today and not worry about what zos will do one bit. I know at most I'll get a 3 day ban.
I've never understood why zos protects scammers/bots even though logically it seems super counter productive to the player population.
Only ZOS is completely innocent and blameless.
Your missing the point, you guys are already labeling me a scammer when in reality all I did was cod someone a willpower sword with a bad trait on ACCIDENT, I didn’t realize until the next day. He dm me on Xbox but I didn’t feel like giving the money back.
Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Something doesn’t seem right here. I disputed a dues deposit with a Guild Master. They said they didn’t see it.
I opened a ticket and within a day they saw my transaction deposit.
If one person withdrew everything, I’m positive they can find it.
redspecter23 wrote: »Tan9oSuccka wrote: »Something doesn’t seem right here. I disputed a dues deposit with a Guild Master. They said they didn’t see it.
I opened a ticket and within a day they saw my transaction deposit.
If one person withdrew everything, I’m positive they can find it.
Of course ZOS can find it. It's the players that can't properly see the transaction. If ZOS won't tell the GM who did it and the GM doesn't know due to the name change, then it's impossible to know.
Tan9oSuccka wrote: »zParallaxz wrote: »What's even more funny, players also blame players. To the point that literal self-proclaimed scammers come and have audacity to lecture everyone on good conduct.xb1LL_mr_sir_LL wrote: »Zos policy always blame the player. Even though they added abusable mechanics to the game and refuse to remove them.
i could scam 100 people today and not worry about what zos will do one bit. I know at most I'll get a 3 day ban.
I've never understood why zos protects scammers/bots even though logically it seems super counter productive to the player population.
Only ZOS is completely innocent and blameless.
Your missing the point, you guys are already labeling me a scammer when in reality all I did was cod someone a willpower sword with a bad trait on ACCIDENT, I didn’t realize until the next day. He dm me on Xbox but I didn’t feel like giving the money back.
Did you send what was advertised?
If not, bait and switch is a scam.