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Am I alone in my frustration with this update?
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Ogou✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »DeathStalker wrote: »You are not alone. There is a class rep in another forum who is surprised by the complaints.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/459718/are-you-happy-with-the-racial-changes-that-most-likely-will-go-live/p4
Basically it's "Bosmer's dps is not bad, what are you complaining about?" No nod to lore, no nod to anything other than High End Trials and PvP.
All these weeks of complaining and they emerge surprised from their cocoon about what the normal player wants from this game.
I had read that but thanks. My reaction to it was the same as yours. It's actually what got me to start this thread. I was like, " If I am that far off from the class reps, then maybe it's just me".
Not all class reps are that myopic. Alcast (who also posted in that thread) isn't a fan of the racial changes (he preferred the 4.3.0 changes, as did most of the player base). He's also the most accomplished class rep by far.
What makes you think most of the player base preferred the 4.3.0 changes?
The forums had far less outrage atfer the first patch. The parses were also much closer together. Every test after the first patch yielded more and more gaps in performance between races, and thus more reasons for players to be angry.
I'm guessing you missed all the posts before the parses came up claiming that Altmer were going to be OP. That's the problem with judging stuff based on the level of outrage on the forums, it's fairly easy for a small group of people to generate an outrage.
You should know, you alone created 8 different discussions on the topic of the Altmer changes over the past 4 weeks.2 -
SilverPaws✭✭✭✭✭You are not alone... The khajiit's in pvp will perform now even worse than on live and that is just sad.. The race needed some buff and not nerf. I just knew this new passives change will be catastrophe, just as always when zenimax tries to "balance".Edited by SilverPaws on February 19, 2019 6:05PM8 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nope OP, you are not alone. Just look at the whole PTS forums section. Pretty much the only people who are OK with those changes are Orc, Nord and Breton "mains"...
Even Imperials & Redguar players seems to be quite unhappy with those changes.
So that leaves us with something like 30% of player base being "ok" with those changes
Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on February 19, 2019 6:31PM4 -
karthrag_inak✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭hugely frustrated, especially with 4.3.3 unnecessary nerf on jiits.PC-NA : 19 Khajiit and 1 Fishy-cat with fluffy delusions. cp3600
GM of Imperial Gold Reserve trading guild (started in 2017) since 2/2022
Come visit Karth's Glitter Box, Khajiit's home. Fully stocked guild hall done in sleek Khajiit stylings, with Grand Master Stations, Transmute, Scribing, Trial Dummies, etc. Also has 2 full bowling alleys, nightclub, and floating maze over Wrothgar.(Pariah's Pinacle)5 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Uh yeah, the next Altmer complain thread. I'm actually looking forward to all the racial changes and yes, even Spell Recharge. I am very excited for this update as it makes my Khajiit Sorcerer even better than before. And I don't complain about Imperial either. The only downside is that I have to wait two weeks longer because of console.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -2 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Welcome to the club, you may see that pretty 50% or even more posts in general and pts section for last month are about complaints about Update 21. I personally deleted game today to take a little rest from all this. Not that i am quitting, I'll return if I see any positive changes.
Indeed a childish attitude but anyway, can i have your stuff?
B/W i am on PS4 and PC (NA/EU)
I agree with the 'childish' comment...btw if you get his gear can I have his gold?
Ok you can have gold but he should give me his crowns?0 -
Tannus15✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I did some parsing on my sorc last night and altmer on PTS does close enough to the same damage as on live (slightly more, if i'm being honest but that could just be RNG for frags or whatever)
Both on live and PTS I had 1 mag regen enchant to help with sustain.
I race changed to Breton, changed that enchant to spell damage and got pretty much the same damage.
It's balanced to within the margin of error. Altmer can potentially hit harder if you have full support but Breton will probably perform better where the support is lacking.
I'd also say Altmer is better for 4 person content because sustain is rarely an issue in dungeons. You only need proper sustain in trial situations.
Anyone saying Dunmer is better than Altmer because of the fire resist is clutching at straws. If fire damage was such a big deal no one would be running vampire and pretty much everyone is vampire.5 -
martijnlv40✭✭✭I did some parsing on my sorc last night and altmer on PTS does close enough to the same damage as on live (slightly more, if i'm being honest but that could just be RNG for frags or whatever)
Both on live and PTS I had 1 mag regen enchant to help with sustain.
I race changed to Breton, changed that enchant to spell damage and got pretty much the same damage.
It's balanced to within the margin of error. Altmer can potentially hit harder if you have full support but Breton will probably perform better where the support is lacking.
I'd also say Altmer is better for 4 person content because sustain is rarely an issue in dungeons. You only need proper sustain in trial situations.
Anyone saying Dunmer is better than Altmer because of the fire resist is clutching at straws. If fire damage was such a big deal no one would be running vampire and pretty much everyone is vampire.
You obviously never run with randoms. I hate the correct random dungeon in live right now, few people who actually understand how to do vCoHII and then try to do it anyway. As an Altmer this situation is going to be worse than on live, and as a Breton it will be better. Still, fix that random dungeon thing, with the empty dungeons and a really bad mix of people on higher dungeons.1 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Illuvatarr wrote: »You ever need to break free/roll dodge in pve? I don’t do pve except for dungeons so I may be missing something. In pvp, this passive is incredibly good.
I am sitting at 16k stamina in non-CP. I am yet to encounter out of stamina situation. Break Free + Shields up (or Streak) are usualy more than enough.
While the passive is very poor for Nightblades or Sorcs, it might come very handy for Templars and Dragonknights.Edited by Olupajmibanan on February 20, 2019 4:34PM0 -
DeathStalker✭✭✭✭✭If you can’t make friends to do dungeons with the problem is probably you.
Maybe, but I'm not the one demanding people post there DPS with combat metrics into chat to make sure everyone is pulling their weight. Those are the kind of "friends" I just don't want or need.Edited by DeathStalker on February 20, 2019 5:21PM5 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Play a single player es game its all solo there and races dont matter lets play an mmorpg solo...0 -
DeathStalker✭✭✭✭✭DeathStalker wrote: »Mettaricana wrote: »Play a single player es game its all solo there and races dont matter lets play an mmorpg solo...
Why is it wrong to find enjoyment and fun in playing the story and this amazing game by my self?5 -
martijnlv40✭✭✭If you can’t make friends to do dungeons with the problem is probably you.
That's really weird statement to make...
Sometimes, I run with guild mates, but they're not always available or want to do the same dungeon. Most of the times I want a quick 100k xp bonus and just a random dungeon, because that is what I enjoy the most.
I hope you don't have this attitude when you're not annonymous on a forum, because that would really suck.
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BattleAxe✭✭✭✭✭Hey everyone who is complaining about your mains raciaI passive if you don’t like you have 2 options use a race change you get 3 free with patch or take your skill points out of that passive hey 3 free skill points to use else where. Omg 3 free skill points ik crazy right who woulda thought you could do something like that. If they took all racial passives out of game and made race only for appearances would that make the altmers and bosmers happyEdited by BattleAxe on February 21, 2019 6:49AM0 -
DarkPicture✭✭✭✭✭Illuvatarr wrote: »You ever need to break free/roll dodge in pve? I don’t do pve except for dungeons so I may be missing something. In pvp, this passive is incredibly good.
HoF last boss is a only 1 place where this passiv could have some value. In other pve content, dungs, trials is not needed, 10k + almost 700 regen and reduced cost for break free and roll dodge from cp is enough. These stats i have on magsorc, and sometimes I have only problem with stamina for running so maybe give me orc bonus and reduce cost speed
Edited by DarkPicture on February 21, 2019 6:37PM0 -
DarkPicture✭✭✭✭✭I did some parsing on my sorc last night and altmer on PTS does close enough to the same damage as on live (slightly more, if i'm being honest but that could just be RNG for frags or whatever)
Both on live and PTS I had 1 mag regen enchant to help with sustain.
I race changed to Breton, changed that enchant to spell damage and got pretty much the same damage.
It's balanced to within the margin of error. Altmer can potentially hit harder if you have full support but Breton will probably perform better where the support is lacking.
I'd also say Altmer is better for 4 person content because sustain is rarely an issue in dungeons. You only need proper sustain in trial situations.
Anyone saying Dunmer is better than Altmer because of the fire resist is clutching at straws. If fire damage was such a big deal no one would be running vampire and pretty much everyone is vampire.
U did more because sorc have new passiv for execute passiv, so its obvious u will do a bit more and spell dmg from altmer works on all skills and sets compare to 4% only for elemental skills.Edited by DarkPicture on February 21, 2019 6:27PM0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hey everyone who is complaining about your mains raciaI passive if you don’t like you have 2 options use a race change you get 3 free with patch or take your skill points out of that passive hey 3 free skill points to use else where. Omg 3 free skill points ik crazy right who woulda thought you could do something like that. If they took all racial passives out of game and made race only for appearances would that make the altmers and bosmers happy
Some people are invested in their race. I'm not sure you were aware, but ESO is an RPG.5 -
DarkPicture✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »DeathStalker wrote: »You are not alone. There is a class rep in another forum who is surprised by the complaints.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/459718/are-you-happy-with-the-racial-changes-that-most-likely-will-go-live/p4
Basically it's "Bosmer's dps is not bad, what are you complaining about?" No nod to lore, no nod to anything other than High End Trials and PvP.
All these weeks of complaining and they emerge surprised from their cocoon about what the normal player wants from this game.
I had read that but thanks. My reaction to it was the same as yours. It's actually what got me to start this thread. I was like, " If I am that far off from the class reps, then maybe it's just me".
Not all class reps are that myopic. Alcast (who also posted in that thread) isn't a fan of the racial changes (he preferred the 4.3.0 changes, as did most of the player base). He's also the most accomplished class rep by far.
What makes you think most of the player base preferred the 4.3.0 changes?
The forums had far less outrage atfer the first patch. The parses were also much closer together. Every test after the first patch yielded more and more gaps in performance between races, and thus more reasons for players to be angry.
I'm guessing you missed all the posts before the parses came up claiming that Altmer were going to be OP. That's the problem with judging stuff based on the level of outrage on the forums, it's fairly easy for a small group of people to generate an outrage.
You should know, you alone created 8 different discussions on the topic of the Altmer changes over the past 4 weeks.
You dont know what u saying, there was a many comments/threads even calculations by one guy about 4.3.0 is the most balanced patch, and some races just needed a rly small adjustments, nothing more. Now they change a lot and break the balance which was good. Plus we knew changes a 2-3 days before patch goes live so maybe u should start reading forum.Edited by DarkPicture on February 21, 2019 6:38PM5 -
Ogou✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »DeathStalker wrote: »You are not alone. There is a class rep in another forum who is surprised by the complaints.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/459718/are-you-happy-with-the-racial-changes-that-most-likely-will-go-live/p4
Basically it's "Bosmer's dps is not bad, what are you complaining about?" No nod to lore, no nod to anything other than High End Trials and PvP.
All these weeks of complaining and they emerge surprised from their cocoon about what the normal player wants from this game.
I had read that but thanks. My reaction to it was the same as yours. It's actually what got me to start this thread. I was like, " If I am that far off from the class reps, then maybe it's just me".
Not all class reps are that myopic. Alcast (who also posted in that thread) isn't a fan of the racial changes (he preferred the 4.3.0 changes, as did most of the player base). He's also the most accomplished class rep by far.
What makes you think most of the player base preferred the 4.3.0 changes?
The forums had far less outrage atfer the first patch. The parses were also much closer together. Every test after the first patch yielded more and more gaps in performance between races, and thus more reasons for players to be angry.
I'm guessing you missed all the posts before the parses came up claiming that Altmer were going to be OP. That's the problem with judging stuff based on the level of outrage on the forums, it's fairly easy for a small group of people to generate an outrage.
You should know, you alone created 8 different discussions on the topic of the Altmer changes over the past 4 weeks.
You dont know what u saying, there was a many comments/threads even calculations by one guy about 4.3.0 is the most balanced patch, and some races just needed a rly small adjustments, nothing more. Now they change a lot and break the balance which was good. Plus we knew changes a 2-3 days before patch goes live so maybe u should start reading forum.
Yeah, definitely. I have no idea what I am talking about:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5741041Edited by Ogou on February 21, 2019 8:31PM0 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »DeathStalker wrote: »You are not alone. There is a class rep in another forum who is surprised by the complaints.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/459718/are-you-happy-with-the-racial-changes-that-most-likely-will-go-live/p4
Basically it's "Bosmer's dps is not bad, what are you complaining about?" No nod to lore, no nod to anything other than High End Trials and PvP.
All these weeks of complaining and they emerge surprised from their cocoon about what the normal player wants from this game.
I had read that but thanks. My reaction to it was the same as yours. It's actually what got me to start this thread. I was like, " If I am that far off from the class reps, then maybe it's just me".
Not all class reps are that myopic. Alcast (who also posted in that thread) isn't a fan of the racial changes (he preferred the 4.3.0 changes, as did most of the player base). He's also the most accomplished class rep by far.
What makes you think most of the player base preferred the 4.3.0 changes?
The forums had far less outrage atfer the first patch. The parses were also much closer together. Every test after the first patch yielded more and more gaps in performance between races, and thus more reasons for players to be angry.
I'm guessing you missed all the posts before the parses came up claiming that Altmer were going to be OP. That's the problem with judging stuff based on the level of outrage on the forums, it's fairly easy for a small group of people to generate an outrage.
You should know, you alone created 8 different discussions on the topic of the Altmer changes over the past 4 weeks.
You dont know what u saying, there was a many comments/threads even calculations by one guy about 4.3.0 is the most balanced patch, and some races just needed a rly small adjustments, nothing more. Now they change a lot and break the balance which was good. Plus we knew changes a 2-3 days before patch goes live so maybe u should start reading forum.
Yeah, definitely. I have no idea what I am talking about:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5741041
You realize that post was made before any testing was done, right? That very same poster ran tests immediately after where they ranked Breton above Altmer in DPS (solo parses).Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 21, 2019 8:38PM3 -
Minyassa✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Nope. Some of the changes are absurd. Pretty sure ZOS knows this, but there's little that we the guinea pigs can do about it aside from not playing anymore.1 -
Ogou✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »DeathStalker wrote: »You are not alone. There is a class rep in another forum who is surprised by the complaints.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/459718/are-you-happy-with-the-racial-changes-that-most-likely-will-go-live/p4
Basically it's "Bosmer's dps is not bad, what are you complaining about?" No nod to lore, no nod to anything other than High End Trials and PvP.
All these weeks of complaining and they emerge surprised from their cocoon about what the normal player wants from this game.
I had read that but thanks. My reaction to it was the same as yours. It's actually what got me to start this thread. I was like, " If I am that far off from the class reps, then maybe it's just me".
Not all class reps are that myopic. Alcast (who also posted in that thread) isn't a fan of the racial changes (he preferred the 4.3.0 changes, as did most of the player base). He's also the most accomplished class rep by far.
What makes you think most of the player base preferred the 4.3.0 changes?
The forums had far less outrage atfer the first patch. The parses were also much closer together. Every test after the first patch yielded more and more gaps in performance between races, and thus more reasons for players to be angry.
I'm guessing you missed all the posts before the parses came up claiming that Altmer were going to be OP. That's the problem with judging stuff based on the level of outrage on the forums, it's fairly easy for a small group of people to generate an outrage.
You should know, you alone created 8 different discussions on the topic of the Altmer changes over the past 4 weeks.
You dont know what u saying, there was a many comments/threads even calculations by one guy about 4.3.0 is the most balanced patch, and some races just needed a rly small adjustments, nothing more. Now they change a lot and break the balance which was good. Plus we knew changes a 2-3 days before patch goes live so maybe u should start reading forum.
Yeah, definitely. I have no idea what I am talking about:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5741041
You realize that post was made before any testing was done, right? That very same poster ran tests immediately after where they ranked Breton above Altmer in DPS (solo parses).
I did mention that they were before the parses came up, didn't I? My point was that an outrage on the forums doesn't mean anything.0
