The main focus of High Elves are their ability to deal high amounts of damage or healing with Magicka-based abilities, and this sustain passive was helping them stand ahead of too many other races that also deal heavily with Magicka-based abilities. We've shifted this over to a utility passive, and slightly increased it.

Just gonna leave this here.

I don't have a Highelf but that new passive is trash all things considered.

Meanwhile I don't think the trade for fire damage to weapon damage is worth it on my dunmer magdk.
But I guess that remaining trap will hit for 2more damage kek

eso is trying everything to lose more players with every update.

this just in; Altmer still pull top DPS, they now ALSO get a bunch of stamina to more easily do mechanics in dungeons.

Oh wait, thats old news. Apparently altmers natural intelligence doesn't translate into the real world, which is sad, because I play altmer, lol.

Tasear wrote: »

Ogou wrote: »

The main focus of High Elves are their ability to deal high amounts of damage or healing with Magicka-based abilities, and this sustain passive was helping them stand ahead of too many other races that also deal heavily with Magicka-based abilities. We've shifted this over to a utility passive, and slightly increased it.

Just gonna leave this here.

They could of added anything else and pve high elf players would be happy.

Not sure about that TBH. If we go by the dev comment they would have added something that is "useless" anyways as to not give Altmer a buff. Which you would still have people complaining about Altmer being worse than Breton.

Ranger209 wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

this just in; Altmer still pull top DPS, they now ALSO get a bunch of stamina to more easily do mechanics in dungeons.

Oh wait, thats old news. Apparently altmers natural intelligence doesn't translate into the real world, which is sad, because I play altmer, lol.

Fully raid buffed for the top 1%ers yes. Do they still pull top DPS for the average player running a 4 man or open world soloing? Will the regen be a problem for those players thus limiting their damage to something beneath the other magicka classes? Will it still be close? Stay tuned..

Since when did you need to pull top DPS when out in the world, in a casual 4man, or soloing? If you dont do content that doesnt call for max dps just slot a regen ring.

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Ranger209 wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

this just in; Altmer still pull top DPS, they now ALSO get a bunch of stamina to more easily do mechanics in dungeons.

Oh wait, thats old news. Apparently altmers natural intelligence doesn't translate into the real world, which is sad, because I play altmer, lol.

Fully raid buffed for the top 1%ers yes. Do they still pull top DPS for the average player running a 4 man or open world soloing? Will the regen be a problem for those players thus limiting their damage to something beneath the other magicka classes? Will it still be close? Stay tuned..

Since when did you need to pull top DPS when out in the world, in a casual 4man, or soloing? If you dont do content that doesnt call for max dps just slot a regen ring.

You don't need it to do anything in this game, or are you saying all other races won't be able to complete the content. It's a want not a need. It's something that makes things easier, not doable. Anyone level 1 to cp 810 wants it, none need it.

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

1. 9% magicka recovery was basically nothing in pve. At best 50 magicka per second. The stamrec on the other hand can be very nice. Sure on a dummy it won't help you at all, unless you use rearming trap for minor force for example. In actual raid scenarios where you have to sprint, dodge, block, this thing came be a lifesaver.


2. Altmer still has arguably the best damage, out right. As long as pure damage is more important than sustain, it is the way to go. And with clockwork food you can get similar sustain+damage as a breton too, so what on earth are you even complaining about... the 258 spell damage alone is a huge buff from live.

@Masel As great as the stamina might be for dodgerolling in pvp and pve, It just doesn't fit the lore. Altmer were never ever known for their stamina and it makes no sense for a race that is known to strive for perfection in everything they do to get a bonus in something other than their specialty.
It doesn't even have to be a passive that can "help you on a dummy" but something that feels actually useful for the thing you are doing. Meanwhile Altmer healers are sad, because sustain is what makes and breaks a healer while spell damage is not nearly as needed. My Breton healer on live has 2100 magicka recovery, so 9% are not "basically nothing" to them and while Bretons got their reduction buffed to 7%, Altmer got their sustain removed. It would have been better if that passive was changed to make Altmer better healers instead of giving them stamina that does not really fit the lore unless someone actually releases an in-lore explanation.

Actually, when I look up altmeri lore I find that they are great magicians and warriors in close combat. I'm no expert on lore, but that's what i can find on wikis..

Masel wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

1. 9% magicka recovery was basically nothing in pve. At best 50 magicka per second. The stamrec on the other hand can be very nice. Sure on a dummy it won't help you at all, unless you use rearming trap for minor force for example. In actual raid scenarios where you have to sprint, dodge, block, this thing came be a lifesaver.


2. Altmer still has arguably the best damage, out right. As long as pure damage is more important than sustain, it is the way to go. And with clockwork food you can get similar sustain+damage as a breton too, so what on earth are you even complaining about... the 258 spell damage alone is a huge buff from live.

@Masel As great as the stamina might be for dodgerolling in pvp and pve, It just doesn't fit the lore. Altmer were never ever known for their stamina and it makes no sense for a race that is known to strive for perfection in everything they do to get a bonus in something other than their specialty.
It doesn't even have to be a passive that can "help you on a dummy" but something that feels actually useful for the thing you are doing. Meanwhile Altmer healers are sad, because sustain is what makes and breaks a healer while spell damage is not nearly as needed. My Breton healer on live has 2100 magicka recovery, so 9% are not "basically nothing" to them and while Bretons got their reduction buffed to 7%, Altmer got their sustain removed. It would have been better if that passive was changed to make Altmer better healers instead of giving them stamina that does not really fit the lore unless someone actually releases an in-lore explanation.

Also, the 9% wont be applied to 2100. They are applied to the base recovery, which is probably around 1300 in that case. So 9% will be around 110 recovery, which is 55 magicka per second. Not that noticable is it...

Altmer healers just got a huge buff to them. 258 spell damage boosts your healing, while the old elemental damage done did not. So it allows you to go for more sustain than you had before while reaching the same healing output.

Masel wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

1. 9% magicka recovery was basically nothing in pve. At best 50 magicka per second. The stamrec on the other hand can be very nice. Sure on a dummy it won't help you at all, unless you use rearming trap for minor force for example. In actual raid scenarios where you have to sprint, dodge, block, this thing came be a lifesaver.


2. Altmer still has arguably the best damage, out right. As long as pure damage is more important than sustain, it is the way to go. And with clockwork food you can get similar sustain+damage as a breton too, so what on earth are you even complaining about... the 258 spell damage alone is a huge buff from live.

@Masel As great as the stamina might be for dodgerolling in pvp and pve, It just doesn't fit the lore. Altmer were never ever known for their stamina and it makes no sense for a race that is known to strive for perfection in everything they do to get a bonus in something other than their specialty.
It doesn't even have to be a passive that can "help you on a dummy" but something that feels actually useful for the thing you are doing. Meanwhile Altmer healers are sad, because sustain is what makes and breaks a healer while spell damage is not nearly as needed. My Breton healer on live has 2100 magicka recovery, so 9% are not "basically nothing" to them and while Bretons got their reduction buffed to 7%, Altmer got their sustain removed. It would have been better if that passive was changed to make Altmer better healers instead of giving them stamina that does not really fit the lore unless someone actually releases an in-lore explanation.

Actually, when I look up altmeri lore I find that they are great magicians and warriors in close combat. I'm no expert on lore, but that's what i can find on wikis..

@Masel Alright, I'll trust you on those numbers having been insignificant before (which is sad in a completely different way), but I found nothing that supports Altmer being great warriors.
That is beyond their superior intellect allowing them to come up with good strategies as well as their tendency to practice everything to perfection (which says nothing about their actual strength and stamina). Similarly their strong navy doesn't rely on muscle as much either as it does on balistas and navigation.
If we look at the Altmer history, the warriors among them (followers of Trinimac) were turned into Orcs after his defeat at the hands of Boethia. Which I speculate may have ended a tradition of intense physical training among them.
Their societal hierarchy of classes clearly puts intellect before strength too as teachers, priests and artists are of higher status than warriors. It should be noted that magic users are not mentioned separately on that list taken from the Pocket Guide to the Empire - 3rd Edition, possibly and probably because magic is found in every aspect of Altmer life including their "warriors", which should be called military in this context to avoid confusion with the trope of the traditional warrior.

When ZOS said they would respect the lore, it was to my understanding that they would not make up nonsensical boni that disregard established lore in an attempt of making races unique.

Royaji wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

1. 9% magicka recovery was basically nothing in pve. At best 50 magicka per second. The stamrec on the other hand can be very nice. Sure on a dummy it won't help you at all, unless you use rearming trap for minor force for example. In actual raid scenarios where you have to sprint, dodge, block, this thing came be a lifesaver.


2. Altmer still has arguably the best damage, out right. As long as pure damage is more important than sustain, it is the way to go. And with clockwork food you can get similar sustain+damage as a breton too, so what on earth are you even complaining about... the 258 spell damage alone is a huge buff from live.

Altmer better healers instead of giving them stamina that does not really fit the lore unless someone actually releases an in-lore explanation.

Although I'm not opposed to changing this passive to something maybe a bit more lore fitting I do not see it beign balanced as another magicka related passive in any form.

@Royaji How about "reduce the cost of healing abilities by 3%"? Up to you if healing abilities are all abilities that restore health to any target or if that only applies to skills that heal targets other than yourself.

Adapt and accept things change. I’m sure Altmer will feel fine, if not change and adapt.