Do you feel PvP is becoming more important than PvE?
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes. The new combat design lead is the former head of PvP combat design. And it shows, because many of the changes in the recent patch were made exclusively with PvP in mind. I'm very disappointed in the direction this game is heading in.Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 18, 2019 9:05PM28 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I agree. The two should fit seamlessly together, now it appears PvP is being given a lot more emphasis than PvE. Having racial passives that exist exclusively for PvP should never have been put on a whiteboard, much less made it into the game.
It's super disappointing.21 -
Jeezye✭✭✭✭✭LOL. PvP only constitutes a tiny fraction of this increadibly large game, has not received any overhauls since launch (cyrodiil) and has not received any love for years. At the same time there is hundreds of dungoens, raids, thousands of quests, thieves guild, dark brotherhood, housing. Are you for real? If you talk about class development, it simply doesn't make sense to balance them around PvE because it is way easier to just rebalance NPCs (that won't qq on forums).
Or are you one of those who complain because their high elf may lose its 0,5k dps advantage over breton?77 -
JadonSky✭✭✭✭✭LOL. PvP only constitutes a tiny fraction of this increadibly large game, has not received any overhauls since launch (cyrodiil) and has not received any love for years. At the same time there is hundreds of dungoens, raids, thousands of quests, thieves guild, dark brotherhood, housing. Are you for real? If you talk about class development, it simply doesn't make sense to balance them around PvE because it is way easier to just rebalance NPCs (that won't qq on forums).
Or are you one of those who complain because their high elf may lose its 0,5k dps advantage over breton?
^^ This guy is on point.26 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭With exclusive racials to PvP what should be except to see next?
What is this assumption even based on?
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We had Stealth racials for almost 5 years and none of you complainers complained back then about PvP exclusive racials. You complain now because your race has been hit and you don't like it. Don't act like you all of a sudden care about PvP exclusive racials now.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -22 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭....no?
Some racials have always been better in PvP and some have always been better in PvE. I don't see any that shut off when you leave Cyrodiil or anything.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub8 -
CyrusArya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No. It isn't. But about damn time PvP got some attention and priority. Love how the moment PvP gets a little love, petty PvErs lose their minds.19 -
Excelsus✭✭✭✭The game definitely started off with a pvp focus. The Alliance War was a big selling point but it never lived up to its promise of delivering epic siege battles and focus shifted towards almost entirely pve content. Which makes many recent changes even more bizarre. Balance is getting better imo but when the majority of a games populance and content is pve why make so many pvp based changes?3
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BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LOL. PvP only constitutes a tiny fraction of this increadibly large game, has not received any overhauls since launch (cyrodiil) and has not received any love for years.
Destroyable bridges, additional keeps, arenas, imperial city, Different campaign types,... You have not played since launch have you.At the same time there is hundreds of dungoens, raids, thousands of quests, thieves guild, dark brotherhood, housing. Are you for real? If you talk about class development, it simply doesn't make sense to balance them around PvE because it is way easier to just rebalance NPCs (that won't qq on forums).
So you admit there is less PvP players but the actual question is;
"Do you feel PvP is becoming more important than PvE?" As in are they forsaking the PvE crowd and are now putting more focus on PvP.
Such as putting PvP only passives in the racials.12 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »With exclusive racials to PvP what should be except to see next?
What is this assumption even based on?
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We had Stealth racials for almost 5 years and none of you complainers complained back then about PvP exclusive racials. You complain now because your race has been hit and you don't like it. Don't act like you all of a sudden care about PvP exclusive racials now.
There are literally 2 entire PvE DLCs dedicated to stealth gameplay...16 -
validifyedneb18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Seraphayel wrote: »
Stealth is not a PvP only racial.
Stamina regen is not a PVP only racial. Roll dodge speed is not a PVP only racial. Offstat is not a PVP only racial.
If you want to be like that.EU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
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Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »
Stealth is not a PvP only racial.
If stealth is not none of the other racials is.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -3 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Stealth is not a PvP only racial.
Stamina regen is not a PVP only racial. Roll dodge speed is not a PVP only racial. Offstat is not a PVP only racial.
If you want to be like that.
Stealth detect is PvP only racial. And I have yet to see a DLC based around Stamina regen, but we have two DLCs that use stealth as a chief gameplay mechanic. Not to mention the whole concept of the justice system.Edited by BlueRaven on February 18, 2019 9:32PM7 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I suppose, strictly speaking, stealth detect IS a PvP only racial. Is there a single use for that in PvE?
Otherwise:validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »Stamina regen is not a PVP only racial. Roll dodge speed is not a PVP only racial. Offstat is not a PVP only racial.
Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub1 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »With exclusive racials to PvP what should be except to see next?
What is this assumption even based on?
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We had Stealth racials for almost 5 years and none of you complainers complained back then about PvP exclusive racials. You complain now because your race has been hit and you don't like it. Don't act like you all of a sudden care about PvP exclusive racials now.
There are literally 2 entire PvE DLCs dedicated to stealth gameplay...
And there are literally 100% of all DLCs and Chapters dedicated towards bashing, blocking and roll dodging where you need Stamina so what's your point?
But sure, we have 2 Stealth DLCs that's why Stealth now matters in PvE. LOL.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Stealth is not a PvP only racial.
If stealth is not none of the other racials is.
Stealth detect, unless you have an example of where it is used in PvE?1 -
Rikumaru✭✭✭✭✭
✭No? 95% of the attention goes to PvE in this game. It should be 50-50 and before people say "oh but it's a game revolving around PvE!!!111", no this game was heavily advertised for it's PvP before and at launch by ZOS and the majority of Youtubers. It was pretty much the selling point of the game at launch.Overload rework. Power Overload now does physical damage and grants you the power of a tornado: You throw a brick at the target with a light attack, and you hammer your head into that brick with every heavy attack. We have decreased its Ultimate cost, but increased the chance that you get stuck in the animation.9 -
DeadlyRecluse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Stealth is not a PvP only racial.
If stealth is not none of the other racials is.
Stealth detect, unless you have an example of where it is used in PvE?
Watch them throw in a quest where stealth detect is relevant in the next DLC, just to forestall this argument. Something super gimmicky lol.
As I mentioned upthread, this is the one where yeah, it does seem literally PvP specific. IMO, it really should either be replaced, reverted to a stealth bonus, or have (even a token) secondary effect that works in both.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub4 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Stealth is not a PvP only racial.
If stealth is not none of the other racials is.
Stealth detect, unless you have an example of where it is used in PvE?
Sorry but stealth detect falls under the category of "stealth".PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »But sure, we have 2 Stealth DLCs that's why Stealth now matters in PvE. LOL.
Quests in Morrowind, murkmire, and summerset that require stealth, the whole justice system, pickpocketing...
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »With exclusive racials to PvP what should be except to see next?
What is this assumption even based on?
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We had Stealth racials for almost 5 years and none of you complainers complained back then about PvP exclusive racials. You complain now because your race has been hit and you don't like it. Don't act like you all of a sudden care about PvP exclusive racials now.
There are literally 2 entire PvE DLCs dedicated to stealth gameplay...
And there are literally 100% of all DLCs and Chapters dedicated towards bashing, blocking and roll dodging where you need Stamina so what's your point?
But sure, we have 2 Stealth DLCs that's why Stealth now matters in PvE. LOL.
Mechanics that require those actions are limited and spaced apart enough that you never run out of stamina.
You can poll every single magicka DD on leader boards and not one will tell you that they ever felt a need for more stamina regen.Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 18, 2019 9:36PM5 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Stealth is not a PvP only racial.
If stealth is not none of the other racials is.
Stealth detect, unless you have an example of where it is used in PvE?
Sorry but stealth detect falls under the category of "stealth".
Still waiting on those PvE examples of stealth detect. I have provided many examples of where stealth is used in PvE.
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Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »With exclusive racials to PvP what should be except to see next?
What is this assumption even based on?
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We had Stealth racials for almost 5 years and none of you complainers complained back then about PvP exclusive racials. You complain now because your race has been hit and you don't like it. Don't act like you all of a sudden care about PvP exclusive racials now.
There are literally 2 entire PvE DLCs dedicated to stealth gameplay...
And there are literally 100% of all DLCs and Chapters dedicated towards bashing, blocking and roll dodging where you need Stamina so what's your point?
But sure, we have 2 Stealth DLCs that's why Stealth now matters in PvE. LOL.
Mechanics that require those actions are limited and spaced apart enough that you never run out of stamina.
Please tell me how this doesn't apply to stealth and your two Stealth DLCs then.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -2 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Stealth is not a PvP only racial.
If stealth is not none of the other racials is.
Stealth detect, unless you have an example of where it is used in PvE?
Sorry but stealth detect falls under the category of "stealth".
Still waiting on those PvE examples of stealth detect. I have provided many examples of where stealth is used in PvE.
???
You're basically supporting my point that we had PvP exclusive racials for years and none of the complainers here cared for them - at all. They do seem to care now because they need new arguments why they may not like some new racials.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -5 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »MLGProPlayer wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »With exclusive racials to PvP what should be except to see next?
What is this assumption even based on?
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We had Stealth racials for almost 5 years and none of you complainers complained back then about PvP exclusive racials. You complain now because your race has been hit and you don't like it. Don't act like you all of a sudden care about PvP exclusive racials now.
There are literally 2 entire PvE DLCs dedicated to stealth gameplay...
And there are literally 100% of all DLCs and Chapters dedicated towards bashing, blocking and roll dodging where you need Stamina so what's your point?
But sure, we have 2 Stealth DLCs that's why Stealth now matters in PvE. LOL.
Mechanics that require those actions are limited and spaced apart enough that you never run out of stamina.
Please tell me how this doesn't apply to stealth and your two Stealth DLCs then.
Stealth passives objectively make you more effective at stealing/assassinating.
Stamina regen doesn't objectively make you better at dungeons and trials becauae you already have all the stamina you need. Dungeons and trials are explicitly designed to require minimal stamina use so that magicka characters can complete them.5 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »
???
You're basically supporting my point that we had PvP exclusive racials for years and none of the complainers here cared for them - at all. They do seem to care now because they need new arguments why they may not like some new racials.
I don’t think you know what the word “exclusive” means.
Stealth was NEVR used “exclusively” in Cyrodiil (PvP). Stealth detect has zero uses in pve which makes it an “exclusive” PvP racial.
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