Any race, any alliance

Olupajmibanan · February 2019

Is 600k gold really that much of a deal? It can be even less, if you find someone selling crowns cheaper.

Seraphayel · February 2019

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Because you made your current choice based on performance at the time. Balance was just flipped on its head and your race may no longer be optimal, forcing you to switch to a race in a different faction.

"Flipped on its head" *LOL*

This is as much nonsense as it was three weeks ago. Neither has balance been flipped on its head nor does anybody besides yourself force you to switch races.

martijnlv40 · February 2019

hakan wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

You have no access to this feature right now, thus you were limited to certain races when picking up alliance. Why would ZOS have to give it to you now? Each alliance have pretty decent options for both stamina and magicka...

Because you made your current choice based on performance at the time. Balance was just flipped on its head and your race may no longer be optimal, forcing you to switch to a race in a different faction.

People who picked a suboptimal race before did so knowingly.

That's why you should read my last sentence:
"Each alliance have pretty decent options for both stamina and magicka..."
As Turelus wrote, BiS is just a matter of time. Meta shifts with available options, even sets that synergize better with some passives can change it. If you want to chase the meta, you need to be prepared for some spendings. If you don't like to chase the meta just pick what you can and move on.

EP:
Tanking -> Nord, Argonian
DD -> Dunmer
Healer -> Argonian

AD:
Tank -> Altmer???
Healer -> Khajit / altmer??
DD -> Khajit...maybe Altmer

DC:
Tank: Orc, Redguard??
Healer -> Breton
DD -> Orc, Redguard, Breton

doesnt seem balanced in terms of every alliance can do everything ....if you dont have ARAA and play AD (example)...how do you wana tank? ...altmer or what?
Those Race changes woul d make the choice between races and content not better as they are now

There is always Imperial

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

Is 600k gold really that much of a deal? It can be even less, if you find someone selling crowns cheaper.

For me it is, I don't have that much time to play, and when I do play, it's for my entertainment, not to farm gold.

Seraphayel wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Because you made your current choice based on performance at the time. Balance was just flipped on its head and your race may no longer be optimal, forcing you to switch to a race in a different faction.

"Flipped on its head" *LOL*

This is as much nonsense as it was three weeks ago. Neither has balance been flipped on its head nor does anybody besides yourself force you to switch races.

No one is forcing me no, but balance has changed, and for a system that stayed the same for 4 years, it's not weird that you might go back on your choices. That's why they're giving the tokens in the first place. Give us total freedom for those 3 tokens and that will be in the same spirit as giving them.

SaintSubwayy · February 2019

hakan wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

You have no access to this feature right now, thus you were limited to certain races when picking up alliance. Why would ZOS have to give it to you now? Each alliance have pretty decent options for both stamina and magicka...

Because you made your current choice based on performance at the time. Balance was just flipped on its head and your race may no longer be optimal, forcing you to switch to a race in a different faction.

People who picked a suboptimal race before did so knowingly.

That's why you should read my last sentence:
"Each alliance have pretty decent options for both stamina and magicka..."
As Turelus wrote, BiS is just a matter of time. Meta shifts with available options, even sets that synergize better with some passives can change it. If you want to chase the meta, you need to be prepared for some spendings. If you don't like to chase the meta just pick what you can and move on.

EP:
Tanking -> Nord, Argonian
DD -> Dunmer
Healer -> Argonian

AD:
Tank -> Altmer???
Healer -> Khajit / altmer??
DD -> Khajit...maybe Altmer

DC:
Tank: Orc, Redguard??
Healer -> Breton
DD -> Orc, Redguard, Breton

doesnt seem balanced in terms of every alliance can do everything ....if you dont have ARAA and play AD (example)...how do you wana tank? ...altmer or what?
Those Race changes woul d make the choice between races and content not better as they are now

There is always Imperial

IF you own imperial pack upgrade yes, else nope

Seraphayel · February 2019

martijnlv40 wrote: »

No one is forcing me no, but balance has changed, and for a system that stayed the same for 4 years, it's not weird that you might go back on your choices. That's why they're giving the tokens in the first place. Give us total freedom for those 3 tokens and that will be in the same spirit as giving them.

No it hasn't! That's exactly the point. Nothing has changed for your holy moly Altmer.

SaintSubwayy · February 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

martijnlv40 wrote: »

No one is forcing me no, but balance has changed, and for a system that stayed the same for 4 years, it's not weird that you might go back on your choices. That's why they're giving the tokens in the first place. Give us total freedom for those 3 tokens and that will be in the same spirit as giving them.

No it hasn't! That's exactly the point. Nothing has changed for your holy moly Altmer.

ofc it changed, sustain got clearly worse then on live...jeah 9% on live arent much, but still more than no magicka reg like on PTS.

validifyedneb18_ESO · February 2019

Turelus wrote: »

I don't think you'll get it. Especially as it would be unfair to everyone who's actually purchased this.

You're asking for access to do something you've never had the ability to do before because you don't want to pay like everyone else who had access to the feature.

As someone who bought the imperial edition at launch, I would be fine with this being given to everyone. (For the betterment of the game)

Although I would rather have a system where say AFTER character creation you can sign up to fight for an alliance.

The number of times ive *** myself by choosing the wrong alliance during character creation is unreal.

Seraphayel · February 2019

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

martijnlv40 wrote: »

No one is forcing me no, but balance has changed, and for a system that stayed the same for 4 years, it's not weird that you might go back on your choices. That's why they're giving the tokens in the first place. Give us total freedom for those 3 tokens and that will be in the same spirit as giving them.

No it hasn't! That's exactly the point. Nothing has changed for your holy moly Altmer.

ofc it changed, sustain got clearly worse then on live...jeah 9% on live arent much, but still more than no magicka reg like on PTS.

Balance hasn't changed which is exactly my point. For sure some racials changed but neither did balance nor did the meta.

martijnlv40 · February 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

martijnlv40 wrote: »

No one is forcing me no, but balance has changed, and for a system that stayed the same for 4 years, it's not weird that you might go back on your choices. That's why they're giving the tokens in the first place. Give us total freedom for those 3 tokens and that will be in the same spirit as giving them.

No it hasn't! That's exactly the point. Nothing has changed for your holy moly Altmer.

ofc it changed, sustain got clearly worse then on live...jeah 9% on live arent much, but still more than no magicka reg like on PTS.

Balance hasn't changed which is exactly my point. For sure some racials changed but neither did balance nor did the meta.

I don't know how to make it clear to you, but in my eyes, to fulfil the things I want to do in the game, I lose that 9% magicka recovery. So it has changed. I don't know how to give it to you better than that. The bretons have superior sustain, and I don't need the best dps in the game. They already had that superior sustain, but the gap has widened.

Arunei · February 2019

After all this time, I don't think it would be unfair to anyone for Any Race Any Alliance to be part of the base game. All Alliances can interact with each other now as soon as a character is made, thanks to the changes brought with 1T, so still being faction-locked based on Race is kinda silly imo. And not all members of any given Race are going to fight for their Race's Alliance, so it only makes sense to do away with faction-locking Races.

And this is said as someone who pre-ordered and got the ARAA bonus back when ESO first launched.

White wabbit · February 2019

Just give everything away for free let's not pay for anything

Seraphayel · February 2019

martijnlv40 wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

martijnlv40 wrote: »

No one is forcing me no, but balance has changed, and for a system that stayed the same for 4 years, it's not weird that you might go back on your choices. That's why they're giving the tokens in the first place. Give us total freedom for those 3 tokens and that will be in the same spirit as giving them.

No it hasn't! That's exactly the point. Nothing has changed for your holy moly Altmer.

ofc it changed, sustain got clearly worse then on live...jeah 9% on live arent much, but still more than no magicka reg like on PTS.

Balance hasn't changed which is exactly my point. For sure some racials changed but neither did balance nor did the meta.

I don't know how to make it clear to you, but in my eyes, to fulfil the things I want to do in the game, I lose that 9% magicka recovery. So it has changed. I don't know how to give it to you better than that. The bretons have superior sustain, and I don't need the best dps in the game. They already had that superior sustain, but the gap has widened.

If it does matter that much for you buy the Adventure Pack and that's it. If you really care so much about it the money is well invested for you. You already get 3 race change tokens for free.

Taleof2Cities · February 2019

martijnlv40 wrote: »

I get what you mean, but as I said I'm not after meta. I'm after the right toon for my playstyle. In that, I need some sustain. That 9% is not much on an Altmer right now, I get that, but I made the decision before I understood the game. With the free racial change tokens we're getting now, plus all the racial changes, I would still like to be able to make a choice, not necessarily going after the meta race.

Are you playing end game content, @martijnlv40?

Like Vet Trials or PvP raiding?

That’s the content where race change really even matters ... you’re not going to notice the racial changes in the vast majority of the game’s other content.

Not “chasing the meta” implies that you aren’t playing end game.

Ruckly · February 2019

I don't understand the OP. If you have an AD altmer and you want to change it to a AD breton are you saying your faction changes with it or not? I would think not since your character you want to change may very well be in a PvE or PvP guild of a particular alliance. And there are some things you can't do to contribute to your guild if you are the incorrect alliance. I would assume if you are an AD altmer and you changed to breton you would remain AD. Otherwise you could change to dunmer and jump on the EP bandwagon. And that is something I might do if it is a thing to clog up lines in PC NA Vivec.

My main is a breton I am a breton player my favorite race. I don't like being the meta-race though since it is subject to arbitrary changes in the future. I have no idea why breton would have any magicka regen. Or why it would have magicka regen and the altmer not. I would rather my breton play like a breton.

idk · February 2019

AntonShan wrote: »

ZOS will already give you 3 race change and 3 name change tokens. Is it not enough for you?

With race change you still need access to the race to choose it. So your comment seems to be lacking something for it to make senses.

I still expect Zos to require people to pay for any race any alliance as many already have.

Ruckly · February 2019

There is also a secondary benefit to faction locks in this sense. Someone who has an AD toon might race change to nord or imperial(orc was gutted as a tanking race) and thus add more tankiness to AD which it seems to be lacking race wise. Or maybe argonian. Without faction locks I can jump three toons into any faction assuming the free race changes. I've always played DC even though my main guild is AD but even so I might go EP to clog up pirme-time lines. Dunmer is pretty universal and Nord would somewhat unfudge the mess of my orc being converted from a tank race to a stamina burst race.

Ruckly · February 2019

idk wrote: »

AntonShan wrote: »

ZOS will already give you 3 race change and 3 name change tokens. Is it not enough for you?

With race change you still need access to the race to choose it. So your comment seems to be lacking something for it to make senses.

I still expect Zos to require people to pay for any race any alliance as many already have.

Are you saying that because I have a breton and because I don't have any race and alliance..etc...the whole race change thing is superfluous? I could only switch it to orc or redguard? Well I never ever had any inclination to change my race but I never ever had any inclination that anything so radical would be done to races. So I guess I am out of luck and have to play a meta race that will be nerfed arbitrary in the foreseeable future.

Ruckly · February 2019

Many different posts but the content in each is different. When you buy the game you get 1500 crowns. The most recent ESO + trail gave you 500 crowns for whatever reason. The adventurer pack is 1900 crowns. So any race any alliance is free in a sense. I've dealt with corporations that run rackets and commit fraud. This adventurer pack looks legitimate anyone who took part in the ESO + trial has access to it. You might have to give up a dlc but it all looks legitimate.

Taleof2Cities · February 2019

Ruckly wrote: »

Are you saying that because I have a breton and because I don't have any race and alliance..etc...the whole race change thing is superfluous? I could only switch it to orc or redguard? Well I never ever had any inclination to change my race but I never ever had any inclination that anything so radical would be done to races. So I guess I am out of luck and have to play a meta race that will be nerfed arbitrary in the foreseeable future.

If Any Race Any Alliance isn't in your budget (believe me it was one of the best purchases I've made in the game), you can always roll a new character in your desired race.

martijnlv40 · February 2019

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Ruckly wrote: »

Are you saying that because I have a breton and because I don't have any race and alliance..etc...the whole race change thing is superfluous? I could only switch it to orc or redguard? Well I never ever had any inclination to change my race but I never ever had any inclination that anything so radical would be done to races. So I guess I am out of luck and have to play a meta race that will be nerfed arbitrary in the foreseeable future.

If Any Race Any Alliance isn't in your budget (believe me it was one of the best purchases I've made in the game), you can always roll a new character in your desired race.

That’s a pretty hefty time investment.

Ruckly wrote: »

Many different posts but the content in each is different. When you buy the game you get 1500 crowns. The most recent ESO + trail gave you 500 crowns for whatever reason. The adventurer pack is 1900 crowns. So any race any alliance is free in a sense. I've dealt with corporations that run rackets and commit fraud. This adventurer pack looks legitimate anyone who took part in the ESO + trial has access to it. You might have to give up a dlc but it all looks legitimate.

You get 500 crowns when buying the game.

vesselwiththepestle · February 2019

I don't understand it.

Do you think the upgrade is worth it?

1. No - that's it, just don't change your race then.

2. Yes - then you have three possibilities:
2.a Buy some crowns, Eso+ etc. with real world money and get the upgrade (1900 crowns)
2.b Pay someone in the game with ingame gold to gift you the upgrade (on PC/EU around 750k gold for example)
2.c Find someone who gifts you the upgrade without compensation, for your birthday or whatever

I don't understand why it should be given out for free. If you don't want to buy it but get it for free, the assumption is it is not considered worth buying, so why do you want to get something for free which you think isn't worth buying??

Disclaimer: I bought the upgrade last year with some of my first crowns from Eso+. It was totally worth it. At the same time it qualifies as optional content in my opinion.

Additionally a discount can be expected. I'd definitely wait for that. You'll have to race change again anyway when the class balances are coming

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bongtokin420insd16 · February 2019

no offense OP, but buy the crowns with gold and just buy the pack it comes with. like super cheap, a couple of 100k max. Its not like a 10k buy or something.

martijnlv40 · February 2019

I don’t know how you guys get that much gold, I don’t get that much and when I do it goes into new gear. And I’d much rather just play the game the way I want than grinding, and I don’t think grinding is a must.

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

I don't understand it.

Do you think the upgrade is worth it?

1. No - that's it, just don't change your race then.

2. Yes - then you have three possibilities:
2.a Buy some crowns, Eso+ etc. with real world money and get the upgrade (1900 crowns)
2.b Pay someone in the game with ingame gold to gift you the upgrade (on PC/EU around 750k gold for example)
2.c Find someone who gifts you the upgrade without compensation, for your birthday or whatever

I don't understand why it should be given out for free. If you don't want to buy it but get it for free, the assumption is it is not considered worth buying, so why do you want to get something for free which you think isn't worth buying??

Disclaimer: I bought the upgrade last year with some of my first crowns from Eso+. It was totally worth it. At the same time it qualifies as optional content in my opinion.

Additionally a discount can be expected. I'd definitely wait for that. You'll have to race change again anyway when the class balances are coming .

I don’t think it’s worth it, but because of the changes to racial passives, I do want a little time to get this for free. That’s not because my opinion changed, but the game balance changed. I don’t need it for the rest of the game, since with new characters I will take the race with the new balances.

Ruckly · February 2019

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Ruckly wrote: »

Are you saying that because I have a breton and because I don't have any race and alliance..etc...the whole race change thing is superfluous? I could only switch it to orc or redguard? Well I never ever had any inclination to change my race but I never ever had any inclination that anything so radical would be done to races. So I guess I am out of luck and have to play a meta race that will be nerfed arbitrary in the foreseeable future.

If Any Race Any Alliance isn't in your budget (believe me it was one of the best purchases I've made in the game), you can always roll a new character in your desired race.

I have 2 lvl 50 toons. Getting to lvl 50 for me isn't as easy as it is for the next person. On top of that you have to take into consideration the fact I have my mount maxed on my orc. It would take me 180 days to do that on a fresh toon. You also have to take into consideration that presently the orc is a tanking race and it is being converted into a burst dmg stamina race, something quite different. The orcs passive training skill is heavy armor. It has tank written all over it. Really the orc should have the nord passives and the nord should have the orc passives since nords are ram skin wearing berserkers and orcs are heavy armor throw yourself into the enemy brawlers. And I will assume down the line orc is going to get nerfed anyways.

I might get any race any alliance I have the crowns for it but it is a dumb thing to do just to have consistent characters. Then again I might not and stick with what I have. One thing I will probably do is turn my bosmer into a khajiit because it looks flat out better for a nightblade whether stamina or magicka.

Taleof2Cities · February 2019

martijnlv40 wrote: »

I don’t know how you guys get that much gold, I don’t get that much and when I do it goes into new gear. And I’d much rather just play the game the way I want than grinding, and I don’t think grinding is a must.

Now your argument is sounding like entitlement.

You neither want to roll a new character ... nor do you want to make the requisite gold to buy the Any Race Any Alliance through in-game means.

Do you know how I would feel if I already paid for Any Race Any Alliance ... and then ZOS handed it out for free because “forum-goer reasons”?

Thevampirenight · February 2019

I am one of those people who got the play race in any alliance by buying the game many years ago.I never had to spend crowns to buy it. Back in those days not everyone could play any race any alliance. Only those that had that code from the box could do that. Before crownstore. And back then characters could not interact with other alliance players within the same zone. Now we can and I think players are not as much caring for any race any alliance because of this. Though yeah unless someone is willing to give you a code, they never used for any race any alliance one might have to just pay for it. Hopefully they do discount it by 75 percent or 50 percent. At least for a short amount of time so players can get it. Without having to spend to much on it. 1500 is like thirteen dollors I think. Not sure, depends on the state or country tax I guess so it could be higher.

Mattock_Romulus · February 2019

martijnlv40 wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

martijnlv40 wrote: »

No one is forcing me no, but balance has changed, and for a system that stayed the same for 4 years, it's not weird that you might go back on your choices. That's why they're giving the tokens in the first place. Give us total freedom for those 3 tokens and that will be in the same spirit as giving them.

No it hasn't! That's exactly the point. Nothing has changed for your holy moly Altmer.

ofc it changed, sustain got clearly worse then on live...jeah 9% on live arent much, but still more than no magicka reg like on PTS.

Balance hasn't changed which is exactly my point. For sure some racials changed but neither did balance nor did the meta.

I don't know how to make it clear to you, but in my eyes, to fulfil the things I want to do in the game, I lose that 9% magicka recovery. So it has changed. I don't know how to give it to you better than that. The bretons have superior sustain, and I don't need the best dps in the game. They already had that superior sustain, but the gap has widened.

Altmer still best dps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F0pIdxUyEY

martijnlv40 · February 2019

Mattock_Romulus wrote: »

martijnlv40 wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

martijnlv40 wrote: »

No one is forcing me no, but balance has changed, and for a system that stayed the same for 4 years, it's not weird that you might go back on your choices. That's why they're giving the tokens in the first place. Give us total freedom for those 3 tokens and that will be in the same spirit as giving them.

No it hasn't! That's exactly the point. Nothing has changed for your holy moly Altmer.

ofc it changed, sustain got clearly worse then on live...jeah 9% on live arent much, but still more than no magicka reg like on PTS.

Balance hasn't changed which is exactly my point. For sure some racials changed but neither did balance nor did the meta.

I don't know how to make it clear to you, but in my eyes, to fulfil the things I want to do in the game, I lose that 9% magicka recovery. So it has changed. I don't know how to give it to you better than that. The bretons have superior sustain, and I don't need the best dps in the game. They already had that superior sustain, but the gap has widened.

Altmer still best dps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F0pIdxUyEY

Yeah I watch th3asiangod. As I said, I don't want this to turn into a debate about best dps, I just want best sustain really, so I have the least chance of dying solo or perhaps in a 4-man dungeons. He also says if he changes the set-ups it turns Breton to barely having less dps than Altmer and Dunmer, and Khajiit too. It's all really close.

I would take anything, like a discount. But I still believe it's in the spirit of giving out those 3 racial and name changes, you can give the 3 tokens the any race, any alliance bonus. Just those 3. That would be a total reset for anyone who wants it.

Beardimus · February 2019

martijnlv40 wrote: »

As things stand right now, I want to change my Altmer sorc to a Breton sorc. I don't want to go in to a discussion about it, I just think for the content that I do and enjoy, I want a Breton. But I'm not in posession of 'any race, any alliance'. I just want to ask zos for a two week period after the patch goes live in which you don't need that upgrade to change faction/race beyond your faction. As has been said many times, these balance changes feel a bit like a cash grab, and I tend to disagree, but since I've realised that you need this upgrade to change beyond your three 'chosen races', I do feel like it's a cash grab...

To be honest, i wish the pack didn't exist, id love to see more made of alliance in PvP and the races. It existing leads to switching for min max etc etc id love races to matter

Of course their balancing would need to be on point.

It won't happen nor would it be happier with the less RP gamers but hey ***.

Priyasekarssk · February 2019

martijnlv40 wrote: »

As things stand right now, I want to change my Altmer sorc to a Breton sorc. I don't want to go in to a discussion about it, I just think for the content that I do and enjoy, I want a Breton. But I'm not in posession of 'any race, any alliance'. I just want to ask zos for a two week period after the patch goes live in which you don't need that upgrade to change faction/race beyond your faction. As has been said many times, these balance changes feel a bit like a cash grab, and I tend to disagree, but since I've realised that you need this upgrade to change beyond your three 'chosen races', I do feel like it's a cash grab...

I like the idea of any alliance. It has to be done with lockdown period. I don't like the idea of any race. It will break lore. How about full load of pigs army in EP ?
Instead I propose free race change token every 1 month or 2 months and can play in any alliance as they please. But there should be locking period for alliance and race. But for this to happen, racial bonus has to be balanced, which is huge cash grab for ZOs.
Moreover some guilds in EP dont make it happen. They will strongly oppose any outsiders in EP and ready to spend any amount of money. DC and AD doesn't have this problem.

I know many wish to play for DC to get free APs and running behind streamers. DC races are way overturned now. Your only option is to create new toon in DC and level up.