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You just killed Khajiit (Dunmer hits harder with Crits than Khajiit)

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  • xenowarrior92eb17_ESO
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    @Edziu well I always go for meta or at least when I used to play stamblade...combat crit with rele/ay/veli its @80% so I guess -8% at that point its not that much loss while u get 10% more crit dmg...but what do I know now? im just a tank :D
  • Juhasow
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    Ehh ESO forums vs math...

    Edited by Juhasow on February 11, 2019 10:59PM
  • nsmurfer
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    nsmurfer wrote: »
    Khajiit No-CP
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    Dunmer No-CP
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    Khajiit CP
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    Dunmer CP with HP equalized
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    Dunmer CP with no HP equalization
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    Simplification

    Khajiit No-CP - 4913 crit dmg
    Dunmer No-CP - 4887 crit dmg
    Khajiit CP - 6201 crit dmg
    Dunmer CP with HP equalized - 6215 crit dmg
    Dunmer CP with no HP equalized (already had 17k+ HP, so not needed) - 6776 crit dmg

    @ZOS_Gilliam @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RobGarrett @Masel @Checkmath @Joy_Division

    Please don't tell me this is intended!!! Dunmer/Orc/Altmer beating Khajiit in crit dmg means Khajiit is virtually useless. It will just get worse the higher critical dmg modifier I stack.

    It is very similar to the condition of Shadow on live

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/366347/shadow-vs-warrior-apprentice-whats-the-point-of-shadow

  • alanmatillab16_ESO
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    ooo another thread about Khajit vs Dunmer, my lucky night.

    Play the darned game and stop being a damage meter s'wit.
  • Edziu
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    xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »
    @Edziu well I always go for meta or at least when I used to play stamblade...combat crit with rele/ay/veli its @80% so I guess -8% at that point its not that much loss while u get 10% more crit dmg...but what do I know now? im just a tank :D

    well for meta this isnt much change...for meta
    but not everyone want or even can go for meta in today eso as we have some thing locked behind something more than dlc to which we have access by having just eso+
  • russelmmendoza
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    I will make a darkelf nightblade,

    And I will call it,

    THE DARKBLADE.
  • Aznarb
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    jhall03 wrote: »
    Aznarb wrote: »
    Sorry to ask, but where can I find all the change made in PTS right now ?
    Is there a thread than I've miss ? Or I've no choice to DL the PTS to stay tune ?
    There is a PTS sub forum

    Thx, I didn't notice it, to tired probably.
    I'll look at.
    [ PC EU ]

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    [ Khajiit ]
    [ Templar - Healer ]
    [Crazy Gatherer & Compulsive Thief]

  • LiquidPony
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    Bruh.

    First, take off your Shock enchant. Minor Vulnerability is probably skewing your tests.

    Second, this all depends on your starting Weapon Damage and Crit Damage modifier values.

    Let me demonstrate.

    Setup:

    5 x Perfect Rele, 5 x Advancing Yokeda, 2 x Velidreth. All Divines. 1 x Infused, 2 x Bloodthirsty. Nirn mainhand, Infused offhand. Lover Mundus. All Weapon Damage glyphs. Poison mainhand, Absorb Stam offhand, Infused Berserker Maelstrom bow.

    CP: 66 Precise Strikes, 64 Mighty, 44 Thaum, 21 Piercing, 72 Master-at-Arms, 3 Physical Weapon Expert

    These are crit hit values for light attacks.

    Orc Warden
    Unbuffed: 6710
    Buffed with Major Brutality: 7323
    Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force: 7749
    Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 8412

    Khajiit Warden
    Unbuffed: 6629
    Buffed with Major Brutality: 7222
    Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force: 7619
    Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 8317

    Orc Sorc
    Unbuffed: 7420
    Buffed with Major Brutality: 8030
    Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force: 8525
    Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 9272

    Khajiit Sorc
    Unbuffed: 7346
    Buffed with Major Brutality: 7892
    Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force: 8331
    Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 9115

    Now, I'll put on Veiled Heritance instead of Advancing Yokeda and proc it:

    Orc Sorc
    Veiled Heritance: 7839
    Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality: 8468
    Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality & Minor Force: 8966
    Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 9637

    Khajiit Sorc
    Veiled Heritance: 7876
    Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality: 8499
    Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality & Minor Force: 8971
    Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 9691

    Note that in the final set of tests, the Khajiit does more damage. You need to have sufficiently high Weapon Damage to start with. Also keep in mind that the Khajiit crit bonus will buff enchant procs, whereas the Orc/Dunmer weapon damage bonus will not, so that narrows the actual DPS gap in the prior test cases.
    Edited by LiquidPony on February 12, 2019 12:35AM
  • Azyle1
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    LiquidPony wrote: »
    Bruh.

    First, take off your Shock enchant. Minor Vulnerability is probably skewing your tests.

    Second, this all depends on your starting Weapon Damage and Crit Damage modifier values.

    Let me demonstrate.

    Setup:

    5 x Perfect Rele, 5 x Advancing Yokeda, 2 x Velidreth. All Divines. 1 x Infused, 2 x Bloodthirsty. Nirn mainhand, Infused offhand. Lover Mundus. All Weapon Damage glyphs. Poison mainhand, Absorb Stam offhand, Infused Berserker Maelstrom bow.

    CP: 66 Precise Strikes, 64 Mighty, 44 Thaum, 21 Piercing, 72 Master-at-Arms, 3 Physical Weapon Expert

    These are crit hit values for light attacks.

    Orc Warden
    Unbuffed: 6710
    Buffed with Major Brutality: 7323
    Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force: 7749
    Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 8412

    Khajiit Warden
    Unbuffed: 6629
    Buffed with Major Brutality: 7222
    Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force: 7619
    Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 8317

    Orc Sorc
    Unbuffed: 7420
    Buffed with Major Brutality: 8030
    Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force: 8525
    Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 9272

    Khajiit Sorc
    Unbuffed: 7346
    Buffed with Major Brutality: 7892
    Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force: 8331
    Buffed with Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 9115

    Now, I'll put on Veiled Heritance instead of Advancing Yokeda and proc it:

    Orc Sorc
    Veiled Heritance: 7839
    Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality: 8468
    Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality & Minor Force: 8966
    Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 9637

    Khajiit Sorc
    Veiled Heritance: 7876
    Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality: 8499
    Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality & Minor Force: 8971
    Veiled Heritance & Major Brutality & Minor Force & Berserker: 9691

    Note that in the final set of tests, the Khajiit does more damage. You need to have sufficiently high Weapon Damage to start with. Also keep in mind that the Khajiit crit bonus will buff enchant procs, whereas the Orc/Dunmer weapon damage bonus will not, so that narrows the actual DPS gap in the prior test cases.

    So.... roughly balanced? Also Veiled Heritance making a comback?
    Edited by Azyle1 on February 12, 2019 12:38AM
  • WikiMeister
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    LiquidPony wrote: »
    Bruh.

    First, take off your Shock enchant. Minor Vulnerability is probably skewing your tests.

    Second, this all depends on your starting Weapon Damage and Crit Damage modifier values.

    Let me demonstrate.

    Setup:

    5 x Perfect Rele, 5 x Advancing Yokeda, 2 x Velidreth. All Divines. 1 x Infused, 2 x Bloodthirsty. Nirn mainhand, Infused offhand. Lover Mundus. All Weapon Damage glyphs. Poison mainhand, Absorb Stam offhand, Infused Berserker Maelstrom bow.

    CP: 66 Precise Strikes, 64 Mighty, 44 Thaum, 21 Piercing, 72 Master-at-Arms, 3 Physical Weapon Expert

    ...

    Note that in the final set of tests, the Khajiit does more damage. You need to have sufficiently high Weapon Damage to start with.

    Some good, impartial arithmetic and testing here, and none of the baseless doomsaying which is rampant in this particular season of ongoing Racial Reworks. Well juxtaposed.
    Edited by WikiMeister on February 12, 2019 12:38AM
    AU | NA-PC Beta veteran since 2014. Dies to 999+ latency.
  • joseayalac
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    I actually liked most racial changes and in many discussions I backed ZOS decissions, but this...

    This change just seems stoopid.
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