martijnlv40 wrote: »

I agree, they should just remove it. It leaves more room open for useful bonuses.
Some I've seen:
Penetration
Penetration + small regen
Enchant bonus (5% or so)
Both magicka and stamina regen from the ability

Hiw about increased chance to apply status effect?
Isn't OP
It's usable in both, PvP and PvE worlds.
Useful even for healers and tanks, not only dps.

I think this point deserves more attention, too.

Unless I missed something when looking over the skills:

Dragonknight = 0
Nightblade = 0
Warden = 0
Sorcerer = 2
Templar = 3

So 3/5 of the classes have no class ability that will benefit from this passive.

If they want to keep the effect the same, maybe have it also apply when charging a heavy attack? That would keep with the spirit of the ability while making it more broadly useful.

Just wanted to let you folks know, that the casting mitigation from Altmer does work during heavy attacks.
Just like Light of Cyrodiil works with heavy attacks.

Keep in mind, that it's not 5% damage mitigation due to all other mititgations. It's more like 2,5%. So doesn't really matter.
Increased enchant effectiveness is a good suggestion. Altmer have always been gifted enchanters.

Urvoth wrote: »

Sorcs...

Completely agree. I didn't include pet summoning because it's so infrequent. Hard-casting frags goes against conventional wisdom, but at least you could technically do it and benefit from the passive. And if you run Dark Conversion, you'll get it then too. So it's practically useless, just "better" than having literally no class skills that benefit at all.

Dracane wrote: »

Just wanted to let you folks know, that the casting mitigation from Altmer does work during heavy attacks.
Just like Light of Cyrodiil works with heavy attacks.

Keep in mind, that it's not 5% damage mitigation due to all other mititgations. It's more like 2,5%. So doesn't really matter.
Increased enchant effectiveness is a good suggestion. Altmer have always been gifted enchanters.

It does work with heavy attacks already? If that's true, the skill description should be more clear about it. I wouldn't normally think of heavy attacks as counting under "using an ability" since it's not a skill I bought or put on my bar.

Also completely agree that the 5% mitigation is poor because of how the math presumably works. It's odd that they've made such an effort to get rid of percentage bonuses in racial passives, but introduced a new one here. Maybe they could change it to flat values? Like, "gain 1980 physical and spell resistance while casting or channeling" or something.

Dracane wrote: »

Just wanted to let you folks know, that the casting mitigation from Altmer does work during heavy attacks.
Just like Light of Cyrodiil works with heavy attacks.

Keep in mind, that it's not 5% damage mitigation due to all other mititgations. It's more like 2,5%. So doesn't really matter.
Increased enchant effectiveness is a good suggestion. Altmer have always been gifted enchanters.

Increased enchant effectiveness might be the best option if they want to remove Altmer's sustain passives. Depending on the % buff, it allows for a lot of flexibility, potentially making up for the sustain difference with Bretons.

Seraphayel wrote: »

And y'all don't think that a passive that increases enchantments would even be more broken or overpowered than the former Magicka return on top of the spell damage and the additional Magicka?

They don’t have the Magicka return anymore, and the 5% dmg reduction thing is mostly useless. Compare that to the other “thematic” passives and Altmer is way behind. +10% enchant effectiveness would be fine I think and would bring them more up to par. That’s only about +400 mag if running all gold mag enchants and +50 spell dmg with 3 gold spell dmg glyphs.

Seraphayel wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

And y'all don't think that a passive that increases enchantments would even be more broken or overpowered than the former Magicka return on top of the spell damage and the additional Magicka?

They don’t have the Magicka return anymore, and the 5% dmg reduction thing is mostly useless. Compare that to the other “thematic” passives and Altmer is way behind. +10% enchant effectiveness would be fine I think and would bring them more up to par. That’s only about +400 mag if running all gold mag enchants and +50 spell dmg with 3 gold spell dmg glyphs.

Oh just 10%?

Altmer is fine, look at the newest parses. And with the CP changes they will come ahead or compete with Breton. Parses suggest all Magicka races are within 100-500 DPS which is totally fine. Altmer don't need a buff, they really don't. I could agree on an addition of Health to the Stamina restore though.

Their parses are currently lower than both Khajiit and Breton, and their racials overall are worse than dark elf by far.

The CP thing might help parsing, but it’s completely irrelevant in non CP PvP.

Besides all of this though, why should they get a passive that is virtually useless to everyone but a magplar dps?

Rake wrote: »

its good on magsorc

How? Do you like hard casting frags?

This should be changed to a % damage reduction on their shields. Altmer are supposed to be squishy when unprotected, but their wards are unmatched.

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

And y'all don't think that a passive that increases enchantments would even be more broken or overpowered than the former Magicka return on top of the spell damage and the additional Magicka?

They don’t have the Magicka return anymore, and the 5% dmg reduction thing is mostly useless. Compare that to the other “thematic” passives and Altmer is way behind. +10% enchant effectiveness would be fine I think and would bring them more up to par. That’s only about +400 mag if running all gold mag enchants and +50 spell dmg with 3 gold spell dmg glyphs.

Oh just 10%?

Altmer is fine, look at the newest parses. And with the CP changes they will come ahead or compete with Breton. Parses suggest all Magicka races are within 100-500 DPS which is totally fine. Altmer don't need a buff, they really don't. I could agree on an addition of Health to the Stamina restore though.

Their parses are currently lower than both Khajiit and Breton, and their racials overall are worse than dark elf by far.

The CP thing might help parsing, but it’s completely irrelevant in non CP PvP.

Besides all of this though, why should they get a passive that is virtually useless to everyone but a magplar dps?

How altmer's passives are worse then dunmers "by far" if altmer still has slightly more magicka. Those 1875 of stamina for roll-dodges is paid of by that spell recharge passive from altmer's side. So they are like brothers now. Still, on dk and sorc they may overshine khajiit and breton. For example dk has those battleroar to help with sustain and buff to heavy attacks which might be useful if everyone will be blue food and couple of HAs may save the day.

The 125 extra mag is negligible. Dunmer passives are far better since mag players typically need to use stamina in bursts during PvP, such as breaking free then blocking or dodge rolling right after to avoid a combo, rather than gradually over time. On top of that, Dunmer gets weapon damage, flame resist, and burning immunity. I think these passive match Dunmer well and don't need to be changed for them, but they are universally applicable and useful unlike the Altmer 5% reduction which is only relevant on magplars.

Dracane wrote: »

Just wanted to let you folks know, that the casting mitigation from Altmer does work during heavy attacks.
Just like Light of Cyrodiil works with heavy attacks.

Keep in mind, that it's not 5% damage mitigation due to all other mititgations. It's more like 2,5%. So doesn't really matter.
Increased enchant effectiveness is a good suggestion. Altmer have always been gifted enchanters.

I've been advocating for giving Sorcerers boosts to enchantments since beta. If they end up giving something like that to a race I'm going to tear my hair out ...