dizzy needs to be slightly faster if it has to be lined up so precisely and wrecking needs to be instant cast

Please make the signature skill of 2h great again. Adjust the cast time/targeting of Dizzying Swing, make Wrecking Blow an instant cast ability. Don‘t let it underwhelm for another couple months.

@ZOS_RobGarrett
@ZOS_BrianWheeler
@ZOS_Gilliam

From the beginning of time, 2H has always been a quintessentially clunky weapon discipline in ESO, but has prevailed the way it has because of its immense versatility no matter the hands wielding it. 2H boasts a powerful HoT/Major Brutality buff, a gap closer with guaranteed crit, an execute, and even a cleave/bleed DoT.

Some of us have played ESO during the days when Wrecking Blow (and the unchecked Empower buff) were absolutely rampant throughout PvP, granting both ridiculous burst damage attached to inbuilt knockback CC, and self empowers itself with 20% damage if you spammed it, so we know what 'OP' looks like.

In its current state, Wrecking Blow is barely used, because it just does not size up to Dizzying Swing's innate CC which calls back to Wrecking Blow's original form, sans the self-empowerment. As a morph choice, it is hardly favourable to Dizzying Swing because both have a cast time and inflict the same damage, but what, one makes your LA weave hit 20% harder?

I am all for advocating Wrecking Blow being reworked into an instant-cast, 60% less damage from Uppercut's base form, with no other mod-cons built in like empower. Just an unconditional, accessible, and reliable DPS tool for classes which lack a stamina spammable ability.

If it’s going be like that make flurry channel time even faster why not.

Agreed. Make it instant and adjust the damage accordingly if needed. All's we're asking is to make it fun to use. I'd be fine with a 0.5 second cast time if we need to compensate here.

Just make it
and all will RUN!

Thorstienn wrote: »

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usmcjdking wrote: »

Buzo wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

So unlike many posters, I actually main 2h and/or Wrecking Blow on more than half of my stam DPS characters. Wrecking Blow/Dizzy is satisfying to cast, land and otherwise observe. It's a flashy skill and should remain flashy. Changes to animation shouldn't be made in an effort to close a gap in damage performance - you rob Uppercut of it's allure for many players when your main issue is that it is simply not mathematically strong enough and you attempt to change that by changing the animation.

If the core problem in PVE is the overall damage loss, then address the damage loss by increasing the potency of the skill; not by reworking and possibly ruining one of the better ESO animations.

You interpret this as if it was purely about damage and both morphs - It‘s not. You keep Dizzying Swing as it is and hopefully they rework the targeting of the ability. They give more flexibility to 2h users by makeing Wrecking Blow the instant cast. How do you rob anybody of anything here? Because you rework a nonsensical morph that doesn‘t synergize with it‘s special component (Empower) all to well, or because you’d allow a new, additional playstyle on the same ol‘ weapon line?

I don't see the point in streamlining all the spammables into instant casts. Why would I use WB over throw chicken on my stam warden? Why use it over SA on my Stamblade? Why use it over crushing weapon? The skill would likely get heavily nerfed in both damage and utility if it was made an instant cast, and I'm not seeing the actual value behind doing that. This game has more than enough high volume, low damage spammables, and we don't need to rob one of the last remaining low volume, high damage skills in PVE of it's identity because "fair parse".

Making it an instant cast offers nothing to the game that we don't currently have, so what would be the point? I can solidly affirm that there are very few skills which are comparative to Wrecking Blow.

You talk like as if stamden and stamblade are the only stamina classes in the game and you talk like PvE is all that matters in this game.

Don't blame yourself though, Wrobel had the exact same mindset.

He too completely ignored stamDks, sorcs. He too completely ignored how it felt having to use weapon abilities in PvP.

How did you come to that conclusion?

They started by mentioning the other instant cast stamina spammable, and pointing out "why would you use WB over the specific class, or universal instant spammable"

They also are talking about PvE specifically, because this thread is about Wrecking blow, not dizzying swing: the PvE skill, not the PvP skill.

Wrobel has left, so no need to have a dig.

Why would I use WB over throw chicken on my stam warden? Why use it over SA on my Stamblade?

Can you see the issue yet? The player I quoted talks based on classes that don't need this change to begin with. For stam wardens, for stamblades, this is obviously a meaningless change because those classes are overloaded with good stamina morphs anyways. For the unfortunate ones like stamDk and stamsorc, there is no such thing as a good stamina spammable.

But why do I support this change instead of being purely selfish like some and ask for a stam spammable for only my class?

Because every time someone does exactly that the answer is ; '' You're supposed to use weapon abilities''.

But the said weapon abilities are outdated , ignored, saw nothing but nerfs over time. They are made for a game that existed years ago.

There was a time where wrecking blow used to do damage, stun your enemy and empower your next skill by %20(including ultimates). Since then we had nothing but nerfs to this ability. Calling it ''the PvE morph'' is nothing but selfishness. You don't call suprise attack the PvE morph. You don't call jabs a PvE morph. Thats simply not how it should work.

Prior to the empower changes, wrecking blow was already very niche in PvP, but hey, some people used it over dizzy swing to buff their ultimate by %20. It wasn't completely useless. Now thats replaced by %20 light attack damage because for some reason devs decided the game should be balanced purely around light attacking. Which is fine, they want bad players to do good dps, but they should have compensated for this ability, which they forgot.

If Dks and sorcs are meant to use weapon abilities, perhaps weapon abilities should be designed with primarily them in mind. Only then it would be fair to call those ''weapon classes''.

Yes PLZ. At least make it a .05 cast time if anything, but preferably make it instacast.

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx wrote: »

As a Stam Main

NO

Justify? It's literally a request for a straightforward, unconditional ability to hit people with. No gimmicks. Just a reasonable-costing, average-damaging spammable attack which only requires you to hold a 2H. All specs without a class melee spammable wins.

sneakymitchell wrote: »

If it’s going be like that make flurry channel time even faster why not.

No because somewhere on eso a single player likes how flurry works.
Sarcasm aside I've not actually seen anyone use flurry in the past year, so a buff could be nice for people that don't like using crushing weapon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRns_GlfnV8

@ZOS_RichLambert
@ZOS_Gilliam
@ZOS_BrianWheeler

Literally every stam char in your own event used DW for bleeds & spin2win on classes with a native spammable.
Gj, I hope you finally get the hint yourselves.

BaylorCorvette wrote: »

I would love to see this change. StamSorc could use it. The class is losing more and more each patch.

Agreed.

agree

If the damage would be brought more in line with other spammables like @TheYKcid mentioned, I don't see why it couldn't be done.

Zos please consider making uppercut and it’s morphs instant!