MurderMostFoul wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

XvX would only work if there was effective skill-based matchmaking implemented. Frankly, I don't think that is really possible in this game given all the variables that impact player performance.

I've been playing 'The Division' lately. It is a RPG-shooter with a huge variety of builds given all it's loot and player abilities. It also has a 4v4 mode which the developer has said uses skill based matchmaking. However, around 75% of matches are entirely noncompetitive, complete blowouts.

I have no doubt that there would be the same result in ESO if they switched to XvX. The better team would just wipe the floor with the lesser. At least that is a little harder to do with XvXvX.

The problem with XvXvX is that, all too often, it already is XvX whilst X3 is on the other side of the map, ignoring all combat and capping flags/relics - It's impossible to be in 2 places at once. Team fights can and do often go on long enough for X3 to take multiple points in domination, capture a relic or so on.

Granted, running the London Marathon or playing Hide N Seek isn't effective in every game mode, but it is in most and is a problem tied exclusively to XvXvX

All game types rely on a team's Mobility and combat prowess. The degree to which one or the other is relied upon depends on each game type. Effective team strategy requires using both combat and Mobility appropriately in each game type. I really don't see what the problem is with that.

It sounds to me like you want the team with better combat prowess to always win. If that is the case, then you will be all set when Somerset comes around and you can pick Deathmatch every time. But if the focus of BG's shifted to xvx, I feel it is inevitable that the vast majority of games would just involve one team getting dominated by the other to the point of being spawn camped.

The problem with it in any game mode bar TDM is that you're punished for engaging in a team fight.

It's almost always better to just run from flag to flag, relic to relic - Ignoring all combat at any expense as it's simply a waste of time and puts you at a disadvantage.

This is only true for domination, all other game modes involve times when engaging in (and winning) a fight is to your advantage.

I should have said that it doesn't really apply to Chaosball either.

Whilst I agree that there are times when engaging is beneficial, there's also times where you find yourself punished as a result., win or lose, because there's a third team.

E.G - I as a purple, run to Red and see Reds defending their base against Greens, there's now a pickup timer so I know nobody there can grab that relic until that team fight is finished. I'll run to the Green base, grab the relic and go cash it in whilst those dopes are fighting still.

It's not tactical, it's not risky, it doesn't involve any skill other than pressing (pickup keybind) and running and it happens more often than you'd think - At least on Xbox - It's not low CP's either, it's guys who think that the BG leader boards hold any significance..

Capping uncontested should never be a thing IMO.

BNOC wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

XvX would only work if there was effective skill-based matchmaking implemented. Frankly, I don't think that is really possible in this game given all the variables that impact player performance.

I've been playing 'The Division' lately. It is a RPG-shooter with a huge variety of builds given all it's loot and player abilities. It also has a 4v4 mode which the developer has said uses skill based matchmaking. However, around 75% of matches are entirely noncompetitive, complete blowouts.

I have no doubt that there would be the same result in ESO if they switched to XvX. The better team would just wipe the floor with the lesser. At least that is a little harder to do with XvXvX.

The problem with XvXvX is that, all too often, it already is XvX whilst X3 is on the other side of the map, ignoring all combat and capping flags/relics - It's impossible to be in 2 places at once. Team fights can and do often go on long enough for X3 to take multiple points in domination, capture a relic or so on.

Granted, running the London Marathon or playing Hide N Seek isn't effective in every game mode, but it is in most and is a problem tied exclusively to XvXvX

All game types rely on a team's Mobility and combat prowess. The degree to which one or the other is relied upon depends on each game type. Effective team strategy requires using both combat and Mobility appropriately in each game type. I really don't see what the problem is with that.

It sounds to me like you want the team with better combat prowess to always win. If that is the case, then you will be all set when Somerset comes around and you can pick Deathmatch every time. But if the focus of BG's shifted to xvx, I feel it is inevitable that the vast majority of games would just involve one team getting dominated by the other to the point of being spawn camped.

The problem with it in any game mode bar TDM is that you're punished for engaging in a team fight.

It's almost always better to just run from flag to flag, relic to relic - Ignoring all combat at any expense as it's simply a waste of time and puts you at a disadvantage.

This is only true for domination, all other game modes involve times when engaging in (and winning) a fight is to your advantage.

I should have said that it doesn't really apply to Chaosball either.

Whilst I agree that there are times when engaging is beneficial, there's also times where you find yourself punished as a result., win or lose, because there's a third team.

E.G - I as a purple, run to Red and see Reds defending their base against Greens, there's now a pickup timer so I know nobody there can grab that relic until that team fight is finished. I'll run to the Green base, grab the relic and go cash it in whilst those dopes are fighting still.

It's not tactical, it's not risky, it doesn't involve any skill other than pressing (pickup keybind) and running and it happens more often than you'd think - At least on Xbox - It's not low CP's either, it's guys who think that the BG leader boards hold any significance..

Capping uncontested should never be a thing IMO.

If green had no one defending and you exploit that, so be it. Although successfully exploiting that situation does not require combat skills, it does require strategic decision making. In your example, your tactic gave you the advantage.

Capping uncontested is only a thing when a whole team foolishly runs off to fight another, and leaves their flag unguarded.

I don't really care honestly, I'm just happy to have instant PvP access.

I just want FFA

4v4 or 6v6 in all of the BG maps we have now would be so much better than 4v4v4. I haven't played WoW since Lich King, and I rarely play GW2 these days but the BGs in both of those games are so good IMO. I was so hyped for ESO BGs and this format just.... barely works well.

Would also love to see something like WoW's Alterac Valley BG (probably my favorite,) only 12v12 or something along those lines (40v40 would be a bit much I think.) It could be a way to bring a bit of the Cyrodiil experience to BGs for people who don't like Cyrodiil, or just people who like the larger scale PvP experience without having full on 40v40 lag fest at the bridge... 12v12 tower defense, battle to kill the other team's General/King/Queen/whatever. Something like that would be amazing.

I would like to see free-for-all deathmatch, also custom battlegrounds matches, for example queue up with 12 friends and you are guaranteed to enter your own private session populating all 3 teams. We used to be able to do this by queuing 3 teams at same time, but now the queues are filled with lot more people and hard to get everybody in the same session. When we set up our own teams, we can make sure the teams are more balanced, so even beginners have a fun time.

Would be awesome if someday, there were a new arena category of player housing, allowing players to design our own battlegrounds matches, perhaps run custom matches in our house for any number of participants and spectators.

In the past when we used to only be able to duel in Cyrodiil, we did a lot of fun matches with for example 4 werewolves vs 6 vampires vs 6 humans etc, or 10v10v10 matches where each faction would send in one player at a time, then as each player dies, the next in their faction enters arena

Would love to see something like Warsong, arathi basin and the like such as swotr battlegrounds take place in ESO. People have been asking for it for years now. 3v3 battlegrounds is ok but gets boring after awhile, same shape, everything is too close by, etc. Would love just to pug all day a 2v2 team battle with 16 players on each side or more battling away trying to get objectives accomplished. CYrodill is just too BIG

make map that kill premades and no ball groups

sadly they ignore this or do not consider... since we get again 4v4v4...

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I wish would could have XvXvXvX. That would really spice things up!!!

Nearly a year ago for this post plus numerous other threads asking for XvX since then and yet we still get more 4v4v4 content...just shows BGs are an afterthought for ZOS.