sno_flah_ke wrote: »

what are the privacy concerns with this feature? can the guild officers see your personal info,,, track your ip... how secure is it really? what is the point of requiring it but then telling people they dont have to use it. seems pointless to have it just to have it. I will never talk on discord, not ever. i dont like social media in general. even coming to these forums is more than i can bear up under some days... EEK!

Guild officers don't get any special access to personal info or anything through discord, we just get the ability to manage your roles, nicknames, etc in our server ONLY. But same as everyone else, we can only see the profile that you created and the info that you choose to make available to us.

As far as requiring it, if you want to do strictly harder group content (endgame PVE, PVP) then expect the guild to require discord. Voice comms will be needed for proper group coordination in these cases. Some less serious guilds (social, trade, crafting, etc) might even require discord in the sense that they want you to join but don't have to ever talk. This is because discord has become the default "guild page" so to speak, where you can find lots of info about the guild as well as text chats and voice comms if you like. So some guilds might require discord just to get access to all the guild's rules and info.

Hate to say it, but if you're really that against socializing then maybe guilds (and MMOs) just aren't for you.

For the most part, Discord is used for PVE trials/dungeons or PVP to coordinate groups.

Beyond that, many guilds use it as a discussion hub to just shoot the breeze since it's easier than typing out full paragraphs in chat.

Beyond THAT, I imagine the ERP guilds use it for...other things.

As other people have said if you're concerned about Discord mining your data or whatever else read their privacy statement, what they do is explained in there. Of course they don't list all the things they DON'T do, but at least in my country it would be illegal for them to mine and sell your data, or even share data you agree to give them, without explicitly telling you they're doing that.

I have seen lots of discussions about the 'dangers' of using Discord, but they all seem to link back to one web page which flagged it as 'potentially dangerous' basically because it's not open source and they refused to send the guy who runs the site all the source code for their program, which is something I wouldn't expect anyone to do. (I know if anyone contacted my company and asked for the source code to any of our propriety software we'd refuse. We might address their concerns by explaining what we do and don't do, but we're not going to give them everything they need to reverse engineer our program and quickly create a competitor!)

LordSkyKnight wrote: »

sno_flah_ke wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Why are there other people in my online game?!?

exactly. i would prefer a version of this game that has the option to play solo like on the other eso games. such as it is i try hard to cope with mmorpg... not my niche.

You just have to come to the point and understand that not all games are made just for you and how you want to play.

I don’t roll into TacoBell and demand that they add cheeseburgers to their menu to cater to me. If I want a cheeseburger, I go to a restaurant that serves what I want.

If you don’t want to use discord then find a guild that doesn’t require it.

FunFact: Taco Bell actually had a burger on their menu for awhile to cater to customers who wanted one...lol just like McD’s had pizzas...KFC had burgers and TONS of other randoms...aswell as duo franchises with Taco Bell...lol

Tandor wrote: »

It almost makes you wonder how players ran successful raids and guild events for years before voice chat came along, doesn't it ?

Most trials and raids were probably not so mechanics intensive as the ones we see in ESO, particularly the newer ones. You dont need coms were bosses are just meatbags you beat on for a few minutes before they die.

Try typing out instructions for VAS or VCR with no coms. You'll be typing for half an hour or more before you're even ready to start.

Voice coms makes it so much easier and faster to explain and coordinate. Plus the calls that need to be made during the fight that typing out could mean you die or the group wipes.

Katahdin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

It almost makes you wonder how players ran successful raids and guild events for years before voice chat came along, doesn't it ?

Most trials and raids were probably not so mechanics intensive as the ones we see in ESO, particularly the newer ones. You dont need coms were bosses are just meatbags you beat on for a few minutes before they die.

Try typing out instructions for VAS or VCR with no coms. You'll be typing for half an hour or more before you're even ready to start.

Voice coms makes it so much easier and faster to explain and coordinate. Plus the calls that need to be made during the fight that typing out could mean you die or the group wipes.

What about normal versions? Hearing impaired, is it possible to do them? And are there guilds that accept heraing impared people out there?

Silurus wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

It almost makes you wonder how players ran successful raids and guild events for years before voice chat came along, doesn't it ?

Most trials and raids were probably not so mechanics intensive as the ones we see in ESO, particularly the newer ones. You dont need coms were bosses are just meatbags you beat on for a few minutes before they die.

Try typing out instructions for VAS or VCR with no coms. You'll be typing for half an hour or more before you're even ready to start.

Voice coms makes it so much easier and faster to explain and coordinate. Plus the calls that need to be made during the fight that typing out could mean you die or the group wipes.

What about normal versions? Hearing impaired, is it possible to do them? And are there guilds that accept heraing impared people out there?

I'm sure there are groups out there that would be fine and patient enough to deal with it and plan raid times accordingly to accomodate the extra time needed.

However I am sure there are some groups and schedules that would not want to take the extra time. I also don't know how well it would work when people have to listen to during fight call outs unless you just assign that person a certain role and area.

If they are on PC, raid notifier would be a big help to get visual cues

I'm sure they can learn it but it would take longer and require some patience on the part of the group. Lets be honest, not every group would be willing to put up with it.
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redeagle2002_ESO wrote: »

I'm a relatively old gamer...from the dark ages of gaming before voice communications became a widespread thing...nothing irritates me more in a game and shatters immersion more than having to hear other gamers talking and whatever other annoying noises come through their microphones.

I'm not an RPer, but I still hate it.

P.S. People were raiding years before voice coms was a thing.

How many of those raids were against bosses that required the team follow complex mechanics where different team members have to split up and do different things in different room/levels and if someone dies, you have to communicate that because you cant see that they died and a backup has to replace them or the group wipes? Or were those bosses just meatbags your whole group beat on for 10-20 minutes til they were dead like so many bosses usually have been in the past?

Some of these vet trial bosses are very unforgiving and have pretty complex mechanics that require good coordination. You don't have time to type out "Joe died, backup one go" in the middle of a fight.

It's certainly with your preview to not want to be on voice coms but don't expect trial leads to want to accomodate you and type out pages of instructions and try to type in fight calls that people need to know to avoid a wipe.

Katahdin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

It almost makes you wonder how players ran successful raids and guild events for years before voice chat came along, doesn't it ?

Most trials and raids were probably not so mechanics intensive as the ones we see in ESO, particularly the newer ones. You dont need coms were bosses are just meatbags you beat on for a few minutes before they die.

Try typing out instructions for VAS or VCR with no coms. You'll be typing for half an hour or more before you're even ready to start.

Voice coms makes it so much easier and faster to explain and coordinate. Plus the calls that need to be made during the fight that typing out could mean you die or the group wipes.

Probably the opposite actually, both in respect of the complexity and also given that raiders in the old days couldn't spend a couple of weeks on Youtube seeing how everyone else had done the raid before prepping their fellow raiders on what to do.

Tandor wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

It almost makes you wonder how players ran successful raids and guild events for years before voice chat came along, doesn't it ?

Most trials and raids were probably not so mechanics intensive as the ones we see in ESO, particularly the newer ones. You dont need coms were bosses are just meatbags you beat on for a few minutes before they die.

Try typing out instructions for VAS or VCR with no coms. You'll be typing for half an hour or more before you're even ready to start.

Voice coms makes it so much easier and faster to explain and coordinate. Plus the calls that need to be made during the fight that typing out could mean you die or the group wipes.

Probably the opposite actually, both in respect of the complexity and also given that raiders in the old days couldn't spend a couple of weeks on Youtube seeing how everyone else had done the raid before prepping their fellow raiders on what to do.

Well we will just have to disagree.

I'm not new to gaming nor to MMOS and ive never seen fights with mechanics as complex or required tje same amout of coordination as some of those in ESO. Most were pretty much just big health bags you beat on until dead, very little other thought involved usually.

Katahdin wrote: »

redeagle2002_ESO wrote: »

I'm a relatively old gamer...from the dark ages of gaming before voice communications became a widespread thing...nothing irritates me more in a game and shatters immersion more than having to hear other gamers talking and whatever other annoying noises come through their microphones.

I'm not an RPer, but I still hate it.

P.S. People were raiding years before voice coms was a thing.

How many of those raids were against bosses that required the team follow complex mechanics where different team members have to split up and do different things in different room/levels and if someone dies, you have to communicate that because you cant see that they died and a backup has to replace them or the group wipes? Or were those bosses just meatbags your whole group beat on for 10-20 minutes til they were dead like so many bosses usually have been in the past?

Some of these vet trial bosses are very unforgiving and have pretty complex mechanics that require good coordination. You don't have time to type out "Joe died, backup one go" in the middle of a fight.

It's certainly with your preview to not want to be on voice coms but don't expect trial leads to want to accomodate you and type out pages of instructions and try to type in fight calls that people need to know to avoid a wipe.

pvping multiple guilds+ killing dragons during everquest raids had way more stuff going on then anything I've ever seen in any mmo's pve, and I have played most of them.
I do use discord for progression, I've never actually needed it. Pretty much everything said on discord is superfluous because I pay attention to what's going on.
I understand exactly where Katahdin is coming from. I hate voice chat, it's an irritating crutch to me, I have no interest in listening to people's voices instead of the game when it's crunch time. Pretty much the only time I actually enjoy it is when we're screwing around socializing.
I use it because everybody else seems to want to, but by the time you're telling me anything on it, I'm already responding to the situation as I should be doing.