i see a lot of guilds use discord and some require it

Kingslayer513

sno_flah_ke wrote: »

what are the privacy concerns with this feature? can the guild officers see your personal info,,, track your ip... how secure is it really? what is the point of requiring it but then telling people they dont have to use it. seems pointless to have it just to have it. I will never talk on discord, not ever. i dont like social media in general. even coming to these forums is more than i can bear up under some days... EEK!

Guild officers don't get any special access to personal info or anything through discord, we just get the ability to manage your roles, nicknames, etc in our server ONLY. But same as everyone else, we can only see the profile that you created and the info that you choose to make available to us.

As far as requiring it, if you want to do strictly harder group content (endgame PVE, PVP) then expect the guild to require discord. Voice comms will be needed for proper group coordination in these cases. Some less serious guilds (social, trade, crafting, etc) might even require discord in the sense that they want you to join but don't have to ever talk. This is because discord has become the default "guild page" so to speak, where you can find lots of info about the guild as well as text chats and voice comms if you like. So some guilds might require discord just to get access to all the guild's rules and info.

Hate to say it, but if you're really that against socializing then maybe guilds (and MMOs) just aren't for you.

Ogou

rootimus wrote: »

sno_flah_ke wrote: »

what are the privacy concerns with this feature?

I'll defer to those who use it with regard to what your guild can see. The obvious privacy concern is that you are the product, not discord; they're farming all the data they can about you and selling it, just like all the other "free" internet services.

You need to decide for yourself if that's a price you're willing to pay for the obvious benefits it provides (personally I prefer to use jabber, TS and a forum).

Except Discord does not sell it's user's data. They make money via their paid version (Nitro) and by selling their merchandise.
As to OP not all guilds require Discord and many only require it for specific group events. Fastest way is probably to ask in Zone chat for what you want. Or you can check the guild listings on the forums or on Reddit.

Rake

Not sure how secure it is
But I see Kena is popular name on many class discords.

Tandor

It almost makes you wonder how players ran successful raids and guild events for years before voice chat came along, doesn't it ?

Saucy_Jack

For the most part, Discord is used for PVE trials/dungeons or PVP to coordinate groups.

Beyond that, many guilds use it as a discussion hub to just shoot the breeze since it's easier than typing out full paragraphs in chat.

Beyond THAT, I imagine the ERP guilds use it for...other things.

SweetrollBunny

If you detest social interaction so much and online multiplayer game might not be the right game for you.

Danikat

As other people have said if you're concerned about Discord mining your data or whatever else read their privacy statement, what they do is explained in there. Of course they don't list all the things they DON'T do, but at least in my country it would be illegal for them to mine and sell your data, or even share data you agree to give them, without explicitly telling you they're doing that.

I have seen lots of discussions about the 'dangers' of using Discord, but they all seem to link back to one web page which flagged it as 'potentially dangerous' basically because it's not open source and they refused to send the guy who runs the site all the source code for their program, which is something I wouldn't expect anyone to do. (I know if anyone contacted my company and asked for the source code to any of our propriety software we'd refuse. We might address their concerns by explaining what we do and don't do, but we're not going to give them everything they need to reverse engineer our program and quickly create a competitor!)

DaveMoeDee

Every application ever has vulnerabilities, so, sure, every account you open or app you install potentially decreases security. If you are paranoid about such things, then do what you feel you need to do.

Regardless, Discord is a reputable and legitimate application. It is in this for the long term, so I wouldn't worry.

xxthir13enxx

LordSkyKnight wrote: »

sno_flah_ke wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Why are there other people in my online game?!?

exactly. i would prefer a version of this game that has the option to play solo like on the other eso games. such as it is i try hard to cope with mmorpg... not my niche.

You just have to come to the point and understand that not all games are made just for you and how you want to play.

I don’t roll into TacoBell and demand that they add cheeseburgers to their menu to cater to me. If I want a cheeseburger, I go to a restaurant that serves what I want.

If you don’t want to use discord then find a guild that doesn’t require it.

FunFact: Taco Bell actually had a burger on their menu for awhile to cater to customers who wanted one...lol just like McD’s had pizzas...KFC had burgers and TONS of other randoms...aswell as duo franchises with Taco Bell...lol

IzzyStardust

Zaketh wrote: »

LordSkyKnight wrote: »

sno_flah_ke wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Why are there other people in my online game?!?

exactly. i would prefer a version of this game that has the option to play solo like on the other eso games. such as it is i try hard to cope with mmorpg... not my niche.

You just have to come to the point and understand that not all games are made just for you and how you want to play.

I don’t roll into TacoBell and demand that they add cheeseburgers to their menu to cater to me. If I want a cheeseburger, I go to a restaurant that serves what I want.

If you don’t want to use discord then find a guild that doesn’t require it.

Damn, now I want a taco...or a cheeseburger

You spelled AND wrong.

Katahdin

Tandor wrote: »

It almost makes you wonder how players ran successful raids and guild events for years before voice chat came along, doesn't it ?

Most trials and raids were probably not so mechanics intensive as the ones we see in ESO, particularly the newer ones. You dont need coms were bosses are just meatbags you beat on for a few minutes before they die.

Try typing out instructions for VAS or VCR with no coms. You'll be typing for half an hour or more before you're even ready to start.

Voice coms makes it so much easier and faster to explain and coordinate. Plus the calls that need to be made during the fight that typing out could mean you die or the group wipes.

josiahva

The only time Discord(or teamspeak) is really needed is in PvP groups and Trials...everything else can be done without ever saying a word(those can too once you play with a group of people long enough)

Silurus

Katahdin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

It almost makes you wonder how players ran successful raids and guild events for years before voice chat came along, doesn't it ?

Most trials and raids were probably not so mechanics intensive as the ones we see in ESO, particularly the newer ones. You dont need coms were bosses are just meatbags you beat on for a few minutes before they die.

Try typing out instructions for VAS or VCR with no coms. You'll be typing for half an hour or more before you're even ready to start.

Voice coms makes it so much easier and faster to explain and coordinate. Plus the calls that need to be made during the fight that typing out could mean you die or the group wipes.

What about normal versions? Hearing impaired, is it possible to do them? And are there guilds that accept heraing impared people out there?

Nestor

Silurus wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

It almost makes you wonder how players ran successful raids and guild events for years before voice chat came along, doesn't it ?

Most trials and raids were probably not so mechanics intensive as the ones we see in ESO, particularly the newer ones. You dont need coms were bosses are just meatbags you beat on for a few minutes before they die.

Try typing out instructions for VAS or VCR with no coms. You'll be typing for half an hour or more before you're even ready to start.

Voice coms makes it so much easier and faster to explain and coordinate. Plus the calls that need to be made during the fight that typing out could mean you die or the group wipes.

What about normal versions? Hearing impaired, is it possible to do them? And are there guilds that accept heraing impared people out there?

I have done raids with hearing impaired. It just means texting out descriptions of the mechanics before each fight. Usually there are websites that have this all described. Anyway, it can be done, just not as an ad hoc

Katahdin

Silurus wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

It almost makes you wonder how players ran successful raids and guild events for years before voice chat came along, doesn't it ?

Most trials and raids were probably not so mechanics intensive as the ones we see in ESO, particularly the newer ones. You dont need coms were bosses are just meatbags you beat on for a few minutes before they die.

Try typing out instructions for VAS or VCR with no coms. You'll be typing for half an hour or more before you're even ready to start.

Voice coms makes it so much easier and faster to explain and coordinate. Plus the calls that need to be made during the fight that typing out could mean you die or the group wipes.

What about normal versions? Hearing impaired, is it possible to do them? And are there guilds that accept heraing impared people out there?

I'm sure there are groups out there that would be fine and patient enough to deal with it and plan raid times accordingly to accomodate the extra time needed.

However I am sure there are some groups and schedules that would not want to take the extra time. I also don't know how well it would work when people have to listen to during fight call outs unless you just assign that person a certain role and area.

If they are on PC, raid notifier would be a big help to get visual cues

I'm sure they can learn it but it would take longer and require some patience on the part of the group. Lets be honest, not every group would be willing to put up with it.
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Finder

I'm a relatively old gamer...from the dark ages of gaming before voice communications became a widespread thing...nothing irritates me more in a game and shatters immersion more than having to hear other gamers talking and whatever other annoying noises come through their microphones.

I'm not an RPer, but I still hate it.

P.S. People were raiding years before voice coms was a thing.

Katahdin

redeagle2002_ESO wrote: »

I'm a relatively old gamer...from the dark ages of gaming before voice communications became a widespread thing...nothing irritates me more in a game and shatters immersion more than having to hear other gamers talking and whatever other annoying noises come through their microphones.

I'm not an RPer, but I still hate it.

P.S. People were raiding years before voice coms was a thing.

How many of those raids were against bosses that required the team follow complex mechanics where different team members have to split up and do different things in different room/levels and if someone dies, you have to communicate that because you cant see that they died and a backup has to replace them or the group wipes? Or were those bosses just meatbags your whole group beat on for 10-20 minutes til they were dead like so many bosses usually have been in the past?

Some of these vet trial bosses are very unforgiving and have pretty complex mechanics that require good coordination. You don't have time to type out "Joe died, backup one go" in the middle of a fight.

It's certainly with your preview to not want to be on voice coms but don't expect trial leads to want to accomodate you and type out pages of instructions and try to type in fight calls that people need to know to avoid a wipe.

Ydrisselle

Tandor wrote: »

It almost makes you wonder how players ran successful raids and guild events for years before voice chat came along, doesn't it ?

Well, the whole internet was slower then, and the fights were more simple with less mechanics. Just watch an old vanilla WoW raid video, and compare it to an ESO world boss (not even a trial boss).

Tandor

Katahdin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

It almost makes you wonder how players ran successful raids and guild events for years before voice chat came along, doesn't it ?

Most trials and raids were probably not so mechanics intensive as the ones we see in ESO, particularly the newer ones. You dont need coms were bosses are just meatbags you beat on for a few minutes before they die.

Try typing out instructions for VAS or VCR with no coms. You'll be typing for half an hour or more before you're even ready to start.

Voice coms makes it so much easier and faster to explain and coordinate. Plus the calls that need to be made during the fight that typing out could mean you die or the group wipes.

Probably the opposite actually, both in respect of the complexity and also given that raiders in the old days couldn't spend a couple of weeks on Youtube seeing how everyone else had done the raid before prepping their fellow raiders on what to do.

essi2

I'd be more worried about guilds that run their own Teamspeak server if you are afraid of someone getting your external IP :P

Katahdin

Tandor wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

It almost makes you wonder how players ran successful raids and guild events for years before voice chat came along, doesn't it ?

Most trials and raids were probably not so mechanics intensive as the ones we see in ESO, particularly the newer ones. You dont need coms were bosses are just meatbags you beat on for a few minutes before they die.

Try typing out instructions for VAS or VCR with no coms. You'll be typing for half an hour or more before you're even ready to start.

Voice coms makes it so much easier and faster to explain and coordinate. Plus the calls that need to be made during the fight that typing out could mean you die or the group wipes.

Probably the opposite actually, both in respect of the complexity and also given that raiders in the old days couldn't spend a couple of weeks on Youtube seeing how everyone else had done the raid before prepping their fellow raiders on what to do.

Well we will just have to disagree.

I'm not new to gaming nor to MMOS and ive never seen fights with mechanics as complex or required tje same amout of coordination as some of those in ESO. Most were pretty much just big health bags you beat on until dead, very little other thought involved usually.

qbit

Discord is fine and your guild mates can't see anything you don't share.

central_scrutinizer

Katahdin wrote: »

redeagle2002_ESO wrote: »

I'm a relatively old gamer...from the dark ages of gaming before voice communications became a widespread thing...nothing irritates me more in a game and shatters immersion more than having to hear other gamers talking and whatever other annoying noises come through their microphones.

I'm not an RPer, but I still hate it.

P.S. People were raiding years before voice coms was a thing.

How many of those raids were against bosses that required the team follow complex mechanics where different team members have to split up and do different things in different room/levels and if someone dies, you have to communicate that because you cant see that they died and a backup has to replace them or the group wipes? Or were those bosses just meatbags your whole group beat on for 10-20 minutes til they were dead like so many bosses usually have been in the past?

Some of these vet trial bosses are very unforgiving and have pretty complex mechanics that require good coordination. You don't have time to type out "Joe died, backup one go" in the middle of a fight.

It's certainly with your preview to not want to be on voice coms but don't expect trial leads to want to accomodate you and type out pages of instructions and try to type in fight calls that people need to know to avoid a wipe.

pvping multiple guilds+ killing dragons during everquest raids had way more stuff going on then anything I've ever seen in any mmo's pve, and I have played most of them.
I do use discord for progression, I've never actually needed it. Pretty much everything said on discord is superfluous because I pay attention to what's going on.
I understand exactly where Katahdin is coming from. I hate voice chat, it's an irritating crutch to me, I have no interest in listening to people's voices instead of the game when it's crunch time. Pretty much the only time I actually enjoy it is when we're screwing around socializing.
I use it because everybody else seems to want to, but by the time you're telling me anything on it, I'm already responding to the situation as I should be doing.

Ohtimbar

Just join a different guild if it bothers you. Most don't require it. I use it, but it's rarely actually essential for anything, including endgame content, people just like to chatter and feel important. It's a game, so if something isn't fun for you, skip it.

Tigerseye

https://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/attackers-use-discord-voip-chat-servers-host-nanocore-njrat-spyrat

DaveMoeDee

redeagle2002_ESO wrote: »

I'm a relatively old gamer...from the dark ages of gaming before voice communications became a widespread thing...nothing irritates me more in a game and shatters immersion more than having to hear other gamers talking and whatever other annoying noises come through their microphones.

I'm not an RPer, but I still hate it.

P.S. People were raiding years before voice coms was a thing.

So you must really hate text chat since it is far more immersive to hear people around you talking than to read them typing. And, obviously, reading requires you to look away from the action. I agree with you that text chat is really annoying.

JumpmanLane

sno_flah_ke wrote: »

FakeFox wrote: »

Why are there other people in my online game?!?

exactly. i would prefer a version of this game that has the option to play solo like on the other eso games. such as it is i try hard to cope with mmorpg... not my niche.

If you get good enough at the game you can solo everything outside of trials and a few dungeons (normal and vet). The game is better with pals though.

Sylvermynx

I can't reliably use anything like voice chat, skype, discord, teamspeak. Satellite doesn't play well with them, and sat is all I have for connection.

Now, I did raid with a friend's guild in WoW - they had some voice app (not sure what it was now, LONG years back), and I could hear what went on, instructions etc. for the most part. But any voice interaction I attempted was useless - others in the raid heard about 1 syllable out of every 4 or so. It's that round trip to the satellite.... not to mention I don't get "real broadband" speed.

What did help back then was me reading up on the mechanics - a LOT. So that generally, they didn't have to tell me what to be doing....

Eventually, I got to where I'd just solo raids on my max-level hunters. It was a lot less painful....

Tigerseye

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

redeagle2002_ESO wrote: »

I'm a relatively old gamer...from the dark ages of gaming before voice communications became a widespread thing...nothing irritates me more in a game and shatters immersion more than having to hear other gamers talking and whatever other annoying noises come through their microphones.

I'm not an RPer, but I still hate it.

P.S. People were raiding years before voice coms was a thing.

So you must really hate text chat since it is far more immersive to hear people around you talking than to read them typing. And, obviously, reading requires you to look away from the action. I agree with you that text chat is really annoying.

Voice comms are, often, worse.

I played WvW in GW2...

Let's just say that some people get very, very, angry (sometimes, solidly, for hours on end) and not everyone is naturally blessed with a soft, soothing, melodious voice.

MLGProPlayer

FakeFox wrote: »

Why are there other people in my online game?!?

I never understood why people who have social anxiety or irrational privacy concerns play an MMO and then complain about having to engage in social interaction. Online games, especially MMOs (it's in their *** name), are social by nature.