Pet scaling

KenaPKK · January 2019

Vahrokh wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Ozby wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

These changes will result in yet another nail in the coffin for fun BGs. Mark my words, every second cheesy premade group will feature four virtually untargetable magsorcs hiding behind a scamp, a twilight, a storm atro, and the Maw of the Infernal proc.

*sigh*

But there is no cp in BG's so things should be the same right?

How do you figure that?

All pets will now inherit your bonuses and derived stats. This means your Critical Hit Chance, Critical Hit Multipliers, Champion Points, and other % damage or healing amplifications will be applied to any pet you summon. Item sets that summon pets will continue to not inherent your Critical Strike Chance.

The issue with pets in BGs is not their damage, but rather the fact that players kite around them to abuse the targeting system. When petsorcs are in a tight ball and coordinate their ultimates, they’re essentially protected by a big meat shield (on top of their actual magicka shields). ANY buff of any sort to pets, however small, will make this cheese even more popular than it currently is.

"Issue with pets"...

You can use the same "issue" and go behind a pillar or a wall and... voilà the magsorc won't do 1 DPS on you.
I "abused" of this when I ranked in WoW arena as melee, somehow mages etc. didn't ask for pillars to be nerfed

How is playing smart "abusing"? It's not like pets have 10 M health to begin with.

The difference is that these "pillars" follow you, deal damage, cc opponents, heal you, heal each other, and can be shielded to protect them. It also takes little effort from players since tab targeting and reticle targeting do not always work properly. This is a very controversial topic.

Quasaur · January 2019

I do about 7-10% more damage on the PTS on my petsorc than I did before.

ZOS, if you're reading this, please don't make sorc pets temporary unless they instantly appear and the pet effects are as instant as they appear. I really, really don't want to wait for my healing skill to reappear if it dies or I ran out of magic and couldn't resummon it within X seconds or I'll just play another class with more reliable skills. I already stopped using shields because they're not very good anymore, the last thing I want to lose is a useful heal on this class I still play for some unfathomable reason.

katorga · January 2019

How is playing smart "abusing"? It's not like pets have 10 M health to begin with.

Way the world these days.

Quasaur wrote: »

I do about 7-10% more damage on the PTS on my petsorc than I did before.

ZOS, if you're reading this, please don't make sorc pets temporary unless they instantly appear and the pet effects are as instant as they appear. I really, really don't want to wait for my healing skill to reappear if it dies or I ran out of magic and couldn't resummon it within X seconds or I'll just play another class with more reliable skills. I already stopped using shields because they're not very good anymore, the last thing I want to lose is a useful heal on this class I still play for some unfathomable reason.

Personally, I'd prefer pets just get removed and replaced with skills. ZOS just doesn't do pets well. But if they were timed summons, obviously they would be instant cast, single bar, with the effect, scamp aoe, matriarch heal, initiated with second button press. Say 20 second duration on the scamp, 60 on the matriarch.

karekiz · January 2019

katorga wrote: »

Personally, I'd prefer pets just get removed and replaced with skills. ZOS just doesn't do pets well. But if they were timed summons, obviously they would be instant cast, single bar, with the effect, scamp aoe, matriarch heal, initiated with second button press. Say 20 second duration on the scamp, 60 on the matriarch.

That sounds familiar.

Ohh yeah a warden.

Please don't gut a unique class identity. What your essentially asking for is a Warden w/o built in buffs + Minor toughness + debuffs. Yippie?

firedrgn · January 2019

katorga wrote: »

How is playing smart "abusing"? It's not like pets have 10 M health to begin with.

Way the world these days.

Quasaur wrote: »

I do about 7-10% more damage on the PTS on my petsorc than I did before.

ZOS, if you're reading this, please don't make sorc pets temporary unless they instantly appear and the pet effects are as instant as they appear. I really, really don't want to wait for my healing skill to reappear if it dies or I ran out of magic and couldn't resummon it within X seconds or I'll just play another class with more reliable skills. I already stopped using shields because they're not very good anymore, the last thing I want to lose is a useful heal on this class I still play for some unfathomable reason.

Personally, I'd prefer pets just get removed and replaced with skills. ZOS just doesn't do pets well. But if they were timed summons, obviously they would be instant cast, single bar, with the effect, scamp aoe, matriarch heal, initiated with second button press. Say 20 second duration on the scamp, 60 on the matriarch.

Dont slot pets then problem solved. Lots of people run mag sorc with no pets.

xDocHollidayz · January 2019

I really like the way pets are going. Sorcs become flexible with options. One pet and run bound aegis, two pets with really nice damage but low Magicka pool (if no necro). No pets with bound aegis and frags or inner light or channeled acceleration? Can run either necro, siroria, mother's sorrow or Infall, Netch or whatever. Can do heavy attacks if you want or use light attack and elemental weapon . I mean lots of directions to go that will all have advantages and disadvantages. I personally like the idea to be able to run A sheild with the matriarch and do a heavy attack build. Sustain is great, can do two heavy attacks on front bar because you don't have to activate the pet while it's basically attack does alot of damage and the Burst heal is always there. Magicka pool is ok due to bound aegis. There are people hitting 45k on live with one pet and MS and siroria and zaan. That will go up with the PTS changes. That's nice DPS for a super simple rotation self buffed.

Priyasekarssk · January 2019

Aedaryl wrote: »

Matriarch is overpowered.

The diffence between scamp AoE damage and Matriach LA was that the scamp gott the AoE affected by CP and the LA of matriach not.

Healing matriach does now far MORE DAMAGE THAN the scamp AOE.

ZoS nerfed scamp by something like 25% in the past when pets was 12 per trial. To situe matriach damage right now, it's stronger than the scamp in theze day.

@Dracane pretty sure u noticed it.

@Checkmath @KenaPKK is the dev want to make the healing pet dealing more damage than the damage one or ZoS just didn't think about the consequenses like always ?

NB : The defensive buff pets get from cps is nice, and it should stay that way. The problem is the offensive CPs scaling on pet's LA. (Matriach LA have bigger tooltip than scamp AoE and now they get the same bonus, here is the reason why matriach deal more damage than scamp. Not even speaking about the Twilight tourmentor, it's damage is CRAZY.

Big Liar ? Scamp still wins in my parses. Matriarch just increased overall dps by 1K maximum . Wont even notice in big parses. There is nothing crazy. What do you want from lying like this ?

xDocHollidayz · January 2019

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Matriarch is overpowered.

The diffence between scamp AoE damage and Matriach LA was that the scamp gott the AoE affected by CP and the LA of matriach not.

Healing matriach does now far MORE DAMAGE THAN the scamp AOE.

ZoS nerfed scamp by something like 25% in the past when pets was 12 per trial. To situe matriach damage right now, it's stronger than the scamp in theze day.

@Dracane pretty sure u noticed it.

@Checkmath @KenaPKK is the dev want to make the healing pet dealing more damage than the damage one or ZoS just didn't think about the consequenses like always ?

NB : The defensive buff pets get from cps is nice, and it should stay that way. The problem is the offensive CPs scaling on pet's LA. (Matriach LA have bigger tooltip than scamp AoE and now they get the same bonus, here is the reason why matriach deal more damage than scamp. Not even speaking about the Twilight tourmentor, it's damage is CRAZY.

Big Liar ? Scamp still wins in my parses. Matriarch just increased overall dps by 1K maximum . Wont even notice in big parses. There is nothing crazy. What do you want from lying like this ?

What sets are you using where the scamp performs better than matriarch? Because with the changes I would think pets would perform better with siroria than necropotence.

codestripper · January 2019

xDocHollidayz wrote: »

Priyasekarssk wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Matriarch is overpowered.

The diffence between scamp AoE damage and Matriach LA was that the scamp gott the AoE affected by CP and the LA of matriach not.

Healing matriach does now far MORE DAMAGE THAN the scamp AOE.

ZoS nerfed scamp by something like 25% in the past when pets was 12 per trial. To situe matriach damage right now, it's stronger than the scamp in theze day.

@Dracane pretty sure u noticed it.

@Checkmath @KenaPKK is the dev want to make the healing pet dealing more damage than the damage one or ZoS just didn't think about the consequenses like always ?

NB : The defensive buff pets get from cps is nice, and it should stay that way. The problem is the offensive CPs scaling on pet's LA. (Matriach LA have bigger tooltip than scamp AoE and now they get the same bonus, here is the reason why matriach deal more damage than scamp. Not even speaking about the Twilight tourmentor, it's damage is CRAZY.

Big Liar ? Scamp still wins in my parses. Matriarch just increased overall dps by 1K maximum . Wont even notice in big parses. There is nothing crazy. What do you want from lying like this ?

What sets are you using where the scamp performs better than matriarch? Because with the changes I would think pets would perform better with siroria than necropotence.

Pets do not scale with spell damage, Siroria is not a comparable pet sorc set despite popular belief. Necropotence & Mother's Sorrow have better performance.

NyassaV · January 2019

So when will they be nerfed for PvP?

Dracane · January 2019

@NyassaV

Why would they ? They are one of the last things in need of nerfs.
I have seen your thread about your targeting issues some time ago. I wonder why this always works for enemy summoners but not for myself.

I do not actively stand inside pets. But when I do, I am melting just the same.

However, you can't tell me that those scrub summoners give you hard times. I have rarely seen even a decent magicka Sorcerer and they all are either squishy, unorganized or don't know what they are doing. Fodder for everyone really.

NyassaV · January 2019

Dracane wrote: »

@NyassaV

Why would they ? They are one of the last things in need of nerfs.
I have seen your thread about your targeting issues some time ago. I wonder why this always works for enemy summoners but not for myself. I do not actively stand inside pets. But when I do, I am melting just the same.

However, you can't tell me that those scrub summoners give you hard times. I have rarely seen even a decent magicka Sorcerer and they all are either squishy, unorganized or don't know what they are doing. Fodder for everyone really.

I've seen things you haven't seen obviously... There are lots of issues with pets in PvP. You're right most the time people with pets in PvP are stupid therefore they die. However they are too effective for such little thought and effort. So when you encounter someone who knows what they are doing (even just a little bit ) and uses a bunch of pets it becomes a real issue.

Dracane · January 2019

NyassaV wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@NyassaV

Why would they ? They are one of the last things in need of nerfs.
I have seen your thread about your targeting issues some time ago. I wonder why this always works for enemy summoners but not for myself. I do not actively stand inside pets. But when I do, I am melting just the same.

However, you can't tell me that those scrub summoners give you hard times. I have rarely seen even a decent magicka Sorcerer and they all are either squishy, unorganized or don't know what they are doing. Fodder for everyone really.

I've seen things you haven't seen obviously... There are lots of issues with pets in PvP. You're right most the time people with pets in PvP are stupid therefore they die. However they are too effective for such little thought and effort. So when you encounter someone who knows what they are doing (even just a little bit ) and uses a bunch of pets it becomes a real issue.

I can't see the issue. Pets cost 2 slots and should have an impact. According to you, they seem to have that and thus, work nicely. If you think it's fair that a sorcerer needs to dedicate all his bars for pets and gets nothing out it, then that's not really fair of you.

katorga · January 2019

NyassaV wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@NyassaV

Why would they ? They are one of the last things in need of nerfs.
I have seen your thread about your targeting issues some time ago. I wonder why this always works for enemy summoners but not for myself. I do not actively stand inside pets. But when I do, I am melting just the same.

However, you can't tell me that those scrub summoners give you hard times. I have rarely seen even a decent magicka Sorcerer and they all are either squishy, unorganized or don't know what they are doing. Fodder for everyone really.

So when you encounter someone who knows what they are doing (even just a little bit ) and uses a bunch of pets it becomes a real issue.

You can say the same thing about any class that knows what it is doing, and the forums are full of complaints that class X / Ability Y is "overperforming", "abusing", "crutching". It basically boils down to pets make the caster hard to target. Other than that pets are pretty worthless. Seriously how many "OP SORC PVP PET BUILD" streams do you see compared to everything else...like two.

NyassaV · January 2019

Dracane wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@NyassaV

Why would they ? They are one of the last things in need of nerfs.
I have seen your thread about your targeting issues some time ago. I wonder why this always works for enemy summoners but not for myself. I do not actively stand inside pets. But when I do, I am melting just the same.

However, you can't tell me that those scrub summoners give you hard times. I have rarely seen even a decent magicka Sorcerer and they all are either squishy, unorganized or don't know what they are doing. Fodder for everyone really.

I've seen things you haven't seen obviously... There are lots of issues with pets in PvP. You're right most the time people with pets in PvP are stupid therefore they die. However they are too effective for such little thought and effort. So when you encounter someone who knows what they are doing (even just a little bit ) and uses a bunch of pets it becomes a real issue.

I can't see the issue. Pets cost 2 slots and should have an impact. According to you, they seem to have that and thus, work nicely. If you think it's fair that a sorcerer needs to dedicate all his bars for pets and gets nothing out it, then that's not really fair of you.

It's a matter of the fact it takes little skill or effort and is super effective. It's not that hard to understand. You're thinking to much into it.

SirMewser · January 2019

NyassaV wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@NyassaV

Why would they ? They are one of the last things in need of nerfs.
I have seen your thread about your targeting issues some time ago. I wonder why this always works for enemy summoners but not for myself. I do not actively stand inside pets. But when I do, I am melting just the same.

However, you can't tell me that those scrub summoners give you hard times. I have rarely seen even a decent magicka Sorcerer and they all are either squishy, unorganized or don't know what they are doing. Fodder for everyone really.

I've seen things you haven't seen obviously... There are lots of issues with pets in PvP. You're right most the time people with pets in PvP are stupid therefore they die. However they are too effective for such little thought and effort. So when you encounter someone who knows what they are doing (even just a little bit ) and uses a bunch of pets it becomes a real issue.

I can't see the issue. Pets cost 2 slots and should have an impact. According to you, they seem to have that and thus, work nicely. If you think it's fair that a sorcerer needs to dedicate all his bars for pets and gets nothing out it, then that's not really fair of you.

It's a matter of the fact it takes little skill or effort and is super effective. It's not that hard to understand. You're thinking to much into it.

Talking about PVP...
Doesn't make sense because of course any bad player would find it effective, it sounds more subjective to experience with being competent with what you're doing rather than a "fact" as much as one may claim.

I mean, your statement really doesn't speak for anyone but yourself, and certainly isn't valid just because you say "I've seen things you haven't seen obviously... ", all you're doing by saying that is assuming what others know. Beside that, it doesn't even touch any problems with pets in context so how could anyone take what you're saying as a fact over a broad objective bias?

For example " There are lots of issues with pets in PvP." okay, but then you say, "You're right most the time people with pets in PvP are stupid therefore they die.", this has nothing to do with pets, again it's player competence so the equivalent versa of saying that would be, "You're wrong sometimes people with pets in PvP are too strong because I die", which doesn't even need to be suggested because you flat out say:

So when you encounter someone who knows what they are doing (even just a little bit ) and uses a bunch of pets it becomes a real issue.

So what are you trying to say?
How could the same thing not be said about any other playstyle?

OolongSnakeTea · January 2019

I havn't had a problem with them in PvP - but I mow most things down with little effort on my stam warden. YOu're all grass in the end. And i'm the mower.

codestripper · January 2019

@NyassaV As a pet sorc, let me tell you how to deal with a pet sorc head on. Literally run up in their face and put pressure on them. Pet sorcs just don't know how to deal with that a majority of the time. Let me tell you why:
If a pet sorc has a healing pet still alive, they will use it....do you know how much that drains your magicka? A TON. leave the healing pet alive at least if you have to deal with a scamp and then burn the crap out of them. They freak out, spam the bird, you win. Just don't let pressure off. That's how I deal with them, that's how I get dealt with admittedly at times.

NyassaV · January 2019

codestripper wrote: »

@NyassaV As a pet sorc, let me tell you how to deal with a pet sorc head on. Literally run up in their face and put pressure on them. Pet sorcs just don't know how to deal with that a majority of the time. Let me tell you why:
If a pet sorc has a healing pet still alive, they will use it....do you know how much that drains your magicka? A TON. leave the healing pet alive at least if you have to deal with a scamp and then burn the crap out of them. They freak out, spam the bird, you win. Just don't let pressure off. That's how I deal with them, that's how I get dealt with admittedly at times.

Have fun getting stunned, snared, and not even being able to target the sorc since all the pets are in the way. You literally told me how to die from one not kill one.

Grimm13 · January 2019

Combat Pets and Assistants need to auto store when a player accesses a Vendor/Banker, Craft Station and Writ Delivery Box.

There is no need for them at these locations and causes issues of access for other players. Had players spend long afk times blocking the access for other players.

Dracane · February 2019

NyassaV wrote: »

codestripper wrote: »

@NyassaV As a pet sorc, let me tell you how to deal with a pet sorc head on. Literally run up in their face and put pressure on them. Pet sorcs just don't know how to deal with that a majority of the time. Let me tell you why:
If a pet sorc has a healing pet still alive, they will use it....do you know how much that drains your magicka? A TON. leave the healing pet alive at least if you have to deal with a scamp and then burn the crap out of them. They freak out, spam the bird, you win. Just don't let pressure off. That's how I deal with them, that's how I get dealt with admittedly at times.

Have fun getting stunned, snared, and not even being able to target the sorc since all the pets are in the way. You literally told me how to die from one not kill one.

It is getting hilarious. Pet Sorcerers don't have a single snare. In fact, Sorcerer doesn't have any snares. And the only stun a pet can offer, is the scamp stun every 8 seconds. Which only has a 6 meter radius. This is less than petrify. Your complains are not valid at all and have nothing to do with the reality.

You merely hate Sorcerers and can't stand the fought of anything good coming their way. That's what it sounds like anyway.

SirMewser · February 2019

NyassaV wrote: »

codestripper wrote: »

@NyassaV As a pet sorc, let me tell you how to deal with a pet sorc head on. Literally run up in their face and put pressure on them. Pet sorcs just don't know how to deal with that a majority of the time. Let me tell you why:
If a pet sorc has a healing pet still alive, they will use it....do you know how much that drains your magicka? A TON. leave the healing pet alive at least if you have to deal with a scamp and then burn the crap out of them. They freak out, spam the bird, you win. Just don't let pressure off. That's how I deal with them, that's how I get dealt with admittedly at times.

Have fun getting stunned, snared, and not even being able to target the sorc since all the pets are in the way. You literally told me how to die from one not kill one.

What?
I actually has to go check the sorc skills, I thought they removed the snare from restraining prison.
Did they not?!

As for stunned, I personally don't like that the scamp stuns because it's annoying for a tank in PvE.
Other than that though, Crystal Blast and Rune Cage is a shame... :'(

Dracane · February 2019

SirMewser wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

codestripper wrote: »

@NyassaV As a pet sorc, let me tell you how to deal with a pet sorc head on. Literally run up in their face and put pressure on them. Pet sorcs just don't know how to deal with that a majority of the time. Let me tell you why:
If a pet sorc has a healing pet still alive, they will use it....do you know how much that drains your magicka? A TON. leave the healing pet alive at least if you have to deal with a scamp and then burn the crap out of them. They freak out, spam the bird, you win. Just don't let pressure off. That's how I deal with them, that's how I get dealt with admittedly at times.

Have fun getting stunned, snared, and not even being able to target the sorc since all the pets are in the way. You literally told me how to die from one not kill one.

What?
I actually has to go check the sorc skills, I thought they removed the snare from restraining prison.
Did they not?!

As for stunned, I personally don't like that the scamp stuns because it's annoying for a tank in PvE.
Other than that though, Crystal Blast and Rune Cage is a shame... :'(

Yes dear, they have removed the snare and replaced it with major vitality.
Even then, a pet sorcerer wouldn't have space for a toy ability like this. Bar space is so limited, they would need to sacrifise what little self damage they have left.

Vahrokh · February 2019

KenaPKK wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Ozby wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

These changes will result in yet another nail in the coffin for fun BGs. Mark my words, every second cheesy premade group will feature four virtually untargetable magsorcs hiding behind a scamp, a twilight, a storm atro, and the Maw of the Infernal proc.

*sigh*

But there is no cp in BG's so things should be the same right?

How do you figure that?

All pets will now inherit your bonuses and derived stats. This means your Critical Hit Chance, Critical Hit Multipliers, Champion Points, and other % damage or healing amplifications will be applied to any pet you summon. Item sets that summon pets will continue to not inherent your Critical Strike Chance.

The issue with pets in BGs is not their damage, but rather the fact that players kite around them to abuse the targeting system. When petsorcs are in a tight ball and coordinate their ultimates, they’re essentially protected by a big meat shield (on top of their actual magicka shields). ANY buff of any sort to pets, however small, will make this cheese even more popular than it currently is.

"Issue with pets"...

You can use the same "issue" and go behind a pillar or a wall and... voilà the magsorc won't do 1 DPS on you.
I "abused" of this when I ranked in WoW arena as melee, somehow mages etc. didn't ask for pillars to be nerfed

How is playing smart "abusing"? It's not like pets have 10 M health to begin with.

The difference is that these "pillars" follow you, deal damage, cc opponents, heal you, heal each other, and can be shielded to protect them. It also takes little effort from players since tab targeting and reticle targeting do not always work properly. This is a very controversial topic.

They also take 4 (four) ability slots. 5 if you want to shield them. So all a pet magsorc has left are 5 slots. Imagine the HORROR fightning that thing!

Vahrokh · February 2019

NyassaV wrote: »

So when will they be nerfed for PvP?

You might have missed the last YEARS of never ending sorc nerfs?

Vahrokh · February 2019

SirMewser wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

@NyassaV

Why would they ? They are one of the last things in need of nerfs.
I have seen your thread about your targeting issues some time ago. I wonder why this always works for enemy summoners but not for myself. I do not actively stand inside pets. But when I do, I am melting just the same.

However, you can't tell me that those scrub summoners give you hard times. I have rarely seen even a decent magicka Sorcerer and they all are either squishy, unorganized or don't know what they are doing. Fodder for everyone really.

I've seen things you haven't seen obviously... There are lots of issues with pets in PvP. You're right most the time people with pets in PvP are stupid therefore they die. However they are too effective for such little thought and effort. So when you encounter someone who knows what they are doing (even just a little bit ) and uses a bunch of pets it becomes a real issue.

I can't see the issue. Pets cost 2 slots and should have an impact. According to you, they seem to have that and thus, work nicely. If you think it's fair that a sorcerer needs to dedicate all his bars for pets and gets nothing out it, then that's not really fair of you.

It's a matter of the fact it takes little skill or effort and is super effective. It's not that hard to understand. You're thinking to much into it.

Talking about PVP...
Doesn't make sense because of course any bad player would find it effective, it sounds more subjective to experience with being competent with what you're doing rather than a "fact" as much as one may claim.

I mean, your statement really doesn't speak for anyone but yourself, and certainly isn't valid just because you say "I've seen things you haven't seen obviously... ", all you're doing by saying that is assuming what others know. Beside that, it doesn't even touch any problems with pets in context so how could anyone take what you're saying as a fact over a broad objective bias?

For example " There are lots of issues with pets in PvP." okay, but then you say, "You're right most the time people with pets in PvP are stupid therefore they die.", this has nothing to do with pets, again it's player competence so the equivalent versa of saying that would be, "You're wrong sometimes people with pets in PvP are too strong because I die", which doesn't even need to be suggested because you flat out say:

So when you encounter someone who knows what they are doing (even just a little bit ) and uses a bunch of pets it becomes a real issue.

So what are you trying to say?
How could the same thing not be said about any other playstyle?

He's trying to say that if you play a sorc, you should REALLY suck hard balls even if you know what you are doing. You should just stand no chance, be a lovely punchingball, a training dummy.

NyassaV · February 2019

Vahrokh wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

So when will they be nerfed for PvP?

You might have missed the last YEARS of never ending sorc nerfs?

Referring to pets, my dear. Not sorcs in general

NyassaV · February 2019

Vahrokh wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Ozby wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

These changes will result in yet another nail in the coffin for fun BGs. Mark my words, every second cheesy premade group will feature four virtually untargetable magsorcs hiding behind a scamp, a twilight, a storm atro, and the Maw of the Infernal proc.

*sigh*

But there is no cp in BG's so things should be the same right?

How do you figure that?

All pets will now inherit your bonuses and derived stats. This means your Critical Hit Chance, Critical Hit Multipliers, Champion Points, and other % damage or healing amplifications will be applied to any pet you summon. Item sets that summon pets will continue to not inherent your Critical Strike Chance.

The issue with pets in BGs is not their damage, but rather the fact that players kite around them to abuse the targeting system. When petsorcs are in a tight ball and coordinate their ultimates, they’re essentially protected by a big meat shield (on top of their actual magicka shields). ANY buff of any sort to pets, however small, will make this cheese even more popular than it currently is.

"Issue with pets"...

You can use the same "issue" and go behind a pillar or a wall and... voilà the magsorc won't do 1 DPS on you.
I "abused" of this when I ranked in WoW arena as melee, somehow mages etc. didn't ask for pillars to be nerfed

How is playing smart "abusing"? It's not like pets have 10 M health to begin with.

The difference is that these "pillars" follow you, deal damage, cc opponents, heal you, heal each other, and can be shielded to protect them. It also takes little effort from players since tab targeting and reticle targeting do not always work properly. This is a very controversial topic.

They also take 4 (four) ability slots. 5 if you want to shield them. So all a pet magsorc has left are 5 slots. Imagine the HORROR fightning that thing!

Yeah... I can't imagine it's fun for either person

NyassaV · February 2019

SirMewser wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

codestripper wrote: »

@NyassaV As a pet sorc, let me tell you how to deal with a pet sorc head on. Literally run up in their face and put pressure on them. Pet sorcs just don't know how to deal with that a majority of the time. Let me tell you why:
If a pet sorc has a healing pet still alive, they will use it....do you know how much that drains your magicka? A TON. leave the healing pet alive at least if you have to deal with a scamp and then burn the crap out of them. They freak out, spam the bird, you win. Just don't let pressure off. That's how I deal with them, that's how I get dealt with admittedly at times.

Have fun getting stunned, snared, and not even being able to target the sorc since all the pets are in the way. You literally told me how to die from one not kill one.

What?
I actually has to go check the sorc skills, I thought they removed the snare from restraining prison.
Did they not?!

As for stunned, I personally don't like that the scamp stuns because it's annoying for a tank in PvE.
Other than that though, Crystal Blast and Rune Cage is a shame... :'(

Storm Atro Also Snares

Dracane · February 2019

NyassaV wrote: »

SirMewser wrote: »

NyassaV wrote: »

codestripper wrote: »

@NyassaV As a pet sorc, let me tell you how to deal with a pet sorc head on. Literally run up in their face and put pressure on them. Pet sorcs just don't know how to deal with that a majority of the time. Let me tell you why:
If a pet sorc has a healing pet still alive, they will use it....do you know how much that drains your magicka? A TON. leave the healing pet alive at least if you have to deal with a scamp and then burn the crap out of them. They freak out, spam the bird, you win. Just don't let pressure off. That's how I deal with them, that's how I get dealt with admittedly at times.

Have fun getting stunned, snared, and not even being able to target the sorc since all the pets are in the way. You literally told me how to die from one not kill one.

What?
I actually has to go check the sorc skills, I thought they removed the snare from restraining prison.
Did they not?!

As for stunned, I personally don't like that the scamp stuns because it's annoying for a tank in PvE.
Other than that though, Crystal Blast and Rune Cage is a shame... :'(

Storm Atro Also Snares

Nobody stands inside the storm atronach. Even the average player I encounter knows to just walk away once it appears.