Imperial edition refund

kypranb14_ESO · January 2019

I'm curious, is there a cooldown on the new Red Diamond passive? If not, there are some serious things to be considered to self healing with AoE direct damage.

Solidus2 · January 2019

So...comparing Argonian passives side by side with Imperial, I don't see what the problem is?

Argonians get 1k Magicka and 1k Health. Additional 4% Healing. 3600 H/M/S potion drinking. Disease Status effect immunity.

Imperials get 2k Health and 2k Stamina. Completely passive direct damage 15% proc heal for 1750.

I imagine passive procs for 1750 healing will surpass 4% additional healing. Many builds stack raw stats, of which Imperials have double the racial stats as Argonians? I mean 2k health and 2k stam vs 1k health and 1k mag.

Why are people so butthurt about Imperials? They seem to have the strongest up-front racial stats of all races.

kypranb14_ESO · January 2019

kypranb14_ESO wrote: »

I'm curious, is there a cooldown on the new Red Diamond passive? If not, there are some serious things to be considered to self healing with AoE direct damage.

After testing on PTS, the new Red Diamond passive does not have a cooldown. This means you can proc it multiple times with a single AoE ability. Powerful!

Solidus2 · January 2019

Spammable AoE procced heal? *crickets* lol

Tan9oSuccka · January 2019

If Imperials were even remotely good, legions of you clowns would flood the forum:

“PAY TO WIN!!
GREAT MOVE ZO$!!
SUB CANCELLED!!”

They can’t win.

Starlock · January 2019

Holycannoli wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

They didn't give a refund (when they should have) when they destroyed the ability to transmute items into Imperial style. They won't refund for this, which is far lesser of a change.

Wait what?? I can't convert to imperial style anymore? That's one big reason why I bought Imperial Edition. I just crafted a set of gear for my imperial main too without a care for the style since I was going to convert it to imperial. Wtf.

Yup. They removed conversions. Did that for Morag Tong for folks who pre-ordered Morrowind too. You keep the style unlocked for the outfit system, but that's it. No more converting gear to imperial style to deconstruct it for, say, nickel.

Like I said, if that didn't prompt a refund - and it should have - racial changes won't.

Kuramas9tails · January 2019

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

If Imperials were even remotely good, legions of you clowns would flood the forum:

“PAY TO WIN!!
GREAT MOVE ZO$!!
SUB CANCELLED!!”

They can’t win.

Exactly.

ookami007 · January 2019

karekiz wrote: »

EvilAutoTech wrote: »

Am I wrong?

Easily wrong. You talking about a change in PTS in which the devs are literally asking the community to post about and have suggestions. Do you honestly think the first draft is the final say? Why wouldn't someone say:

I assume you are a complete noob to the game and to ZoS. Because if I had dollar for every time they put something up on PTS and ask for feed back and then IGNORE the entire community except for the handful of fanboi yesmen... I'd be rich... Or at least... Richer...

josiahva · January 2019

DKMaestro wrote: »

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

If you are going to remove something we paid real money for, give us a refund.

I want my money back and a race change.

Ehhh.. What did you lose exactly? Your white horse? The ability to transmute into Imperial style? Oh, I know. Your racial bonus will change. Poor you. I bet that when the new update goes live, someone comes up with an OP build tailored to Imperial. As they always do.

God the whining is real for MINISCULE changes. But yes, I forgot you are one of the min/maxers who regularly pull 50K+ DPS. You may only be able to pull 48.5K now, and it will surely ruin your life.

Not to worry, ZOS will DEFINITELY refund your money!

Imperial changes are a mixed bag, but mostly bad. Imperial has never been BIS as anything but a tank to start with, but the change to flat bonuses has made even that not so clear anymore...these racial changes have made ALL my favorite races weaker, and made there no reason to play an imperial. The race option is the only reason anyone bought the pack...they dont care about the horse or the motif(maybe way back when there were few mounts they did, but not anymore) so yeah...ZOS screwed the imperial race over for no reason whatsoever.

jircris11 · January 2019

If you actually read the ToS and EULA you will see that they can change the game and nothing within it's current state is fixed (permanent). Stop acting like an over entitled child and find a way to counter the racial changes. Honestly people need top stop relying on cookie cutter builds and think for them self.

starkerealm · January 2019

Starlock wrote: »

Holycannoli wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

They didn't give a refund (when they should have) when they destroyed the ability to transmute items into Imperial style. They won't refund for this, which is far lesser of a change.

Wait what?? I can't convert to imperial style anymore? That's one big reason why I bought Imperial Edition. I just crafted a set of gear for my imperial main too without a care for the style since I was going to convert it to imperial. Wtf.

Yup. They removed conversions. Did that for Morag Tong for folks who pre-ordered Morrowind too. You keep the style unlocked for the outfit system, but that's it. No more converting gear to imperial style to deconstruct it for, say, nickel.

Like I said, if that didn't prompt a refund - and it should have - racial changes won't.

The outfit conversions to Imperial, Morag Tong, and Divine Prosecution are free, though. I mean, dying them costs money, but the conversion is free if you have the CEs. So, that's still there, kinda, it's just a little different. Also, it is more flexible, because you could never convert drop sets to a different motif under conversions, but the outfit system doesn't care what you've got slotted.

Mattock_Romulus · January 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Holycannoli wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

They didn't give a refund (when they should have) when they destroyed the ability to transmute items into Imperial style. They won't refund for this, which is far lesser of a change.

Wait what?? I can't convert to imperial style anymore? That's one big reason why I bought Imperial Edition. I just crafted a set of gear for my imperial main too without a care for the style since I was going to convert it to imperial. Wtf.

Yup. They removed conversions. Did that for Morag Tong for folks who pre-ordered Morrowind too. You keep the style unlocked for the outfit system, but that's it. No more converting gear to imperial style to deconstruct it for, say, nickel.

Like I said, if that didn't prompt a refund - and it should have - racial changes won't.

The outfit conversions to Imperial, Morag Tong, and Divine Prosecution are free, though. I mean, dying them costs money, but the conversion is free if you have the CEs. So, that's still there, kinda, it's just a little different. Also, it is more flexible, because you could never convert drop sets to a different motif under conversions, but the outfit system doesn't care what you've got slotted.

So you are saying the extra outfit slots are free then?

satanio · January 2019

jircris11 wrote: »

Honestly people need top stop relying on cookie cutter builds and think for them self.

Wat? What does poopy racial passives have with relying on cookie cutter builds?

it's simple - Imperial is poop. Back then he was good, firm and solid poop. Now he'll become loose and liquid poop. Nobody wants that.

Would you rather play with firm poop or with explosive diarrhea? Hmmm... you got me?

IMPERIAL LIVES MATTER!!!

winterbornb14_ESO · January 2019

If you don't understand the basic principle of a contract or the difference in health it will make for a pure health tank let alone what that is, then maybe kids should not comment.

We paid real money for a set of traits, if they remove them I want a refund, if you don't then keep quiet.

Siohwenoeht · January 2019

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

If you don't understand the basic principle of a contract or the difference in health it will make for a pure health tank let alone what that is, then maybe kids should not comment.

We paid real money for a set of traits, if they remove them I want a refund, if you don't then keep quiet.

As others have said, by agreeing to the TOS you agree that zos can make game changes at any time, with or without notice, and absolve zos of all liability. If you understand contracts so well, you know they won't offer any refund on the basis of breach of contract because they are within the terms of said contract, that you agreed to.

Androconium · January 2019

Tandor wrote: »

Is there some sort of real-life place people go to where they can grind Entitlement? I only ask because there seem to be a lot of people these days who have Mastered it.

When you pay cold, hard cash for something, you are entitled to complain when it is given to everyone else for free later. My understanding is that Title of my rights to use the licence for the product described as "Imperial Edition Upgrade" was given when I received the receipt for the purchase of said licence.

An upgrade suggest an improvement on gameplay. Removing or replacing this improvement requires a refund. I WANT MY MONEY FOR THIS PRODUCT BACK and it should be done voluntarily as a gesture of goodwill to the players that actually paid for it. Nylon bag, anyone?

How is it that you can troll discussions and make comments like this with impunity? You seem to add nothing but distraction.

winterbornb14_ESO · January 2019

Androconium wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Is there some sort of real-life place people go to where they can grind Entitlement? I only ask because there seem to be a lot of people these days who have Mastered it.

When you pay cold, hard cash for something, you are entitled to complain when it is given to everyone else for free later. My understanding is that Title of my rights to use the licence for the product described as "Imperial Edition Upgrade" was given when I received the receipt for the purchase of said licence.

An upgrade suggest an improvement on gameplay. Removing or replacing this improvement requires a refund. I WANT MY MONEY FOR THIS PRODUCT BACK and it should be done voluntarily as a gesture of goodwill to the players that actually paid for it. Nylon bag, anyone?

How is it that you can troll discussions and make comments like this with impunity? You seem to add nothing but distraction.

Correct, we paid for a specific class with specific traits, if they remove them then give me back my money.

I will even be nice and let Zo$ refund me with crowns and race+name change tokens, so they lose nothing.

winterbornb14_ESO · January 2019

For those who don't know why it kills a type of tank then research the BlazePlar health tank and you will see why removing the health percentage bonus is a deal breaker.

Why would anyone complain about PvE tanks having more health? They killed the little DPS we had with the Blazing Shield nerfs so it all about Health tanking.

So if Zo$ wants to remove a type of tank, that's fine but refund those of us that gave them real money to make that build viable.

MrGarlic · January 2019

My Imperial Templar Crafter is awesome and has straight nines across the board. And she's quite pretty too.

TIC.

ookami007 · January 2019

The BIG deal is... We paid for one thing and they went and switched it. Imagine you bought a car and then a year later the dealer shows up and puts a spoiler on but removes your leather seats. SOME people might be ok with that... But most courts would grown on that and you'd have a class action law suit.

oMrRust · January 2019

I am so confused right now.. why ask for a refund exactly? like what did they remove..?
I know the imperial style and morag tong styles are now accessible at dye stations.. and the white mount still in my inventory..
I just never done Imperial Race yet but may with my free race change by changing my stamplar from nord to imperial.

Garrick · January 2019

I don't expect or want a refund.

However, I do agree that the changes to Imperial are WEAK.

I use sword and board a lot, and those bonuses are pretty much equal to nothing.
Plus most races had changes that made both stamina and magicka reasonably viable.
Except imperial.

Xarc · January 2019

I'm agree with Op, about weakness of imperial race.
Even if my main is imperial, I think we can't up it too much... We can't switch to a p2w mode.

Minyassa · January 2019

I would forgive them for 50% more gold and no other passives. That's fair.

Banana · January 2019

I cant remember how much more the imperial edition cost but Im pretty sure your not going to be retiring early if they pay out

TheGreatBlackBear · January 2019

I am surprised that someone hasn't come in and say as long as you're not going for score imperial tanks and DPS are good.

commdt · January 2019

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

I am surprised that someone hasn't come in and say as long as you're not going for score imperial tanks and DPS are good.

You can say this about DPS, but not about tank. Without sustain youll just die in any content and more than that survivng is harder in weak groups as fights last longer, adds die slower. So generally it would be just harder to tank as imperial no matter is it score run or not.
If they implement flat -260 block cost (like built-in Shieldplay) instead of miserable -5% it would be fine

TheInfernalRage · January 2019

Lots of whining over something these days. I don't see anything wrong with the changes on the Imperial race. Now, quit the drama and adapt.

ComboBreaker88 · January 2019

DKMaestro wrote: »

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

If you are going to remove something we paid real money for, give us a refund.

I want my money back and a race change.

Ehhh.. What did you lose exactly? Your white horse? The ability to transmute into Imperial style? Oh, I know. Your racial bonus will change. Poor you. I bet that when the new update goes live, someone comes up with an OP build tailored to Imperial. As they always do.

God the whining is real for MINISCULE changes. But yes, I forgot you are one of the min/maxers who regularly pull 50K+ DPS. You may only be able to pull 48.5K now, and it will surely ruin your life.

Not to worry, ZOS will DEFINITELY refund your money!

That's not really the point though is it? The point is the company has altered something the player specifically paid for. At the minimum players with the edition should be offered a refund.

Flipityflu · January 2019

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

DKMaestro wrote: »

winterbornb14_ESO wrote: »

If you are going to remove something we paid real money for, give us a refund.

I want my money back and a race change.

Ehhh.. What did you lose exactly? Your white horse? The ability to transmute into Imperial style? Oh, I know. Your racial bonus will change. Poor you. I bet that when the new update goes live, someone comes up with an OP build tailored to Imperial. As they always do.

God the whining is real for MINISCULE changes. But yes, I forgot you are one of the min/maxers who regularly pull 50K+ DPS. You may only be able to pull 48.5K now, and it will surely ruin your life.

Not to worry, ZOS will DEFINITELY refund your money!

That's not really the point though is it? The point is the company has altered something the player specifically paid for. At the minimum players with the edition should be offered a refund.

when it says right in the TOS that things change and you sign acceptance of that, there is absolutely no legal leg to stand on. Have none of you played an MMO before? The only refund people should be getting is a refund of time wasted trying to explain this to people.