Girl_Number8 wrote: »

klowdy1 wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Thannazzar wrote: »

The bosmer detection instead of stealth buff sucks. Detection is pointless outside PVP.

Yeah, if they want to show that bosmers have sharp eyes, then they should add crit chance ("headshots") instead of that detection.. and i think it's also nearly useless in PVP too. 5% crit will do, ZOS ^^

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/455092/raid-buffed-dps-comparison-of-each-race-by-class-tests-graphs-interpretation-and-final-score#latest

This was still on the front page when I looked for it. This shows bosmer stamblade coming in second in overall dps, based on a 20 parse average, and they are extremely close to orcs, in firs place. Adding 5% crit would be ridiculously OP without also taking something away. You may not like the racials, but they seem to be very powerful, regardless.

That is with buffs while beating on a dummy, it was not in PvP where you have to defend yourself and burst down real players.

It definitely translates into PvP scenarios. Everyone is in the same position they would be in either example. Either everyone is in PvP, or everyone is in PvE. Everyone will be suffering from the same advantages/disadvantages. PvP performance comes down to player skill, and not the race you are playing. I don't think I've ever read someone saying "that orc beat me." Its always "that sorc beat me," or "jabs is mindless and OP."

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Gilliam I agree with Lifeonerth and call on the balance team to consider the impact their choices have on the game and it's players. I sympathize with your situation Lifeonerth and I hope that ESO remains a game worthy of all the time you've invested into it.

Aliyavana wrote: »

Im sorry, but I really dislike pvp stealth snipe builds and I wont miss that playstyles interaction with the bosmer racial. I am excited that the speed buff for bosmer will be usable for everyone. Sorry about your irl condition tho.

They are not that big a deal from my experience.. generally go down pretty quick.

I wrote this letter pretty much right after reading the patch notes for the upcoming changes, so the tone is perhaps a bit stronger than it might otherwise have been. Normally I try to wait to respond to issues with a clearer head and less emotion, but for me this game is incredibly important and well, we are all only human.

I guess the main issue seems to be that they don’t seperately balance PVP and PVE, which seems less than ideal. I’m sure it makes for less work for the developers overall, but for PVP to have such influence on PVE play when so very little of the overall playerbase is actually engaging in PVP play, let alone on a regular basis, seems very unbalanced. When I got an “achievement” recently for a character reaching the entry level rank in Cyrodil, it said that only around 5% of players (on Xbox) have gotten this achievement...just for showing up. The amount of players engaging in regular PVP must therefore be even less.

It is not as if nothing is changed currently for PVP versus PVE play. Once you enter Cyrodil, as I understand, everyone in a given campaign is basically set to the same effective “level” or CP. Given the quite radical difference there is between engaging AI enemies versus actual thinking human beings with complex sets of abilities and tremendous varieties in gear, allocations, etc., it seems to me that it would be very worthwhile to invest in at least some general additional balancing for PVP separately.

But hey, although I have been playing this game for several years now, it was my first MMO and I don’t generally do PVP, so what do I know.

Whatever your perspective, I appreciate those of you who took the time to write thoughtful and considerate replies and those who made an effort to understand my position. I don’t post on forums much because it seems too often the case that polite, mutually respectful civil discourse is in short supply. 💜

Vapirko wrote: »

You’re not going to like this but here’s what I’ll say. First the devs have decided to balance PvE and PvP together. As far as we know this will not change and sacrifices are made on both sides. Stealth in PvP is very powerful with the way bow and NB skills interact. 10% extra wpn damage from sneak from NB passives, 10% extra damage from stealth from Bosmer passives, minor berserk on demand, reduced detection radius, these are very, very powerful passives in PvP when it comes to bow gank builds and they were stacking to produce some really OP hits when people combined Bosmer with stamina NB class. ZOS knows this and this is one step at scaling back that kind of damage. You’ll stilll be able to play a stealth bow style, still have access to the wpn damage boost and minor berserk from the NB class, the only thing that changes is that you now need a set of you want additional powerful effects and that make sense. To be fair the stealth detection reversal doesn’t make a ton of sense to me, but stealth gameplay in PvP has become way too easy. You’ve already got access to cloak. If you want further abilty to stealth then I think it’s fair to ask that you use a set bonus.

Why do you assume that all Bosmer are necessarily NB's? I need stealth on my Bosmer for PVE purposes, and she isn't a NB. I use my Kahjiit NB for PVP. PVP and PVE are totally different setups, and I'm tired of dedicated PVPers looking down at PVE'ers. Why is there even a PVE component to the game if all we're supposed to do is PVP?

Oh, and believe me, with thievery stealth detection is far more important than in PVP where there's generally more space to maneuver. In PVE you have to get pretty close to steal, and you really need good stealth to do those thieving raid Thieve's guild quests.

Aliyavana wrote: »

Im sorry, but I really dislike pvp stealth snipe builds and I wont miss that playstyles interaction with the bosmer racial. I am excited that the speed buff for bosmer will be usable for everyone.

I'm sorry, but the change will make those snipe builds even more annoying for you.

What is the best way way to dispose of a sniper ? To sneak upon them and backstab them. Which you won't be able to do so ealisy anymore since they will see you coming, now. That's actually the only use of the stealth detection bonus the Bosmers will get.

On the other hands... If you want an even stealthier sniper, be Khajiit. By their racial passive alone, they will outperform what is currently live.