SupremeRissole wrote: »SupremeRissole wrote: »hate to tell you not everyone runs master dw, and those that do sacrifice either a 5pc or a monster set so it's pretty balanced imo. I havent run master dw in about 4 patches and every patch I try it.
l2p
Hate to tell You but back bars exist. You can run master dual wield + 5pc set + 5 pc set + 2pc monster set. You can slot master dual wield on back bar and have one 5pc bonus from other set on front bar or vice versa in any weapon combinations since two handed weapons were changed to count as 2 items. So no sacrifices just pure benefits since master dual wield dmg increase is comparable to whole 5 pc set.
L2Theorycraft
I know how builds work champ, Ive ran that exact setup before. I run similar build setup on different toons. But personally I prefer DW front over 2H front and there are a lot of people that are in a similar boat. I know that the master bleed is strong, but what Im saying is its not as common as the OP is suggesting.
SupremeRissole wrote: »SupremeRissole wrote: »hate to tell you not everyone runs master dw, and those that do sacrifice either a 5pc or a monster set so it's pretty balanced imo. I havent run master dw in about 4 patches and every patch I try it.
l2p
Hate to tell You but back bars exist. You can run master dual wield + 5pc set + 5 pc set + 2pc monster set. You can slot master dual wield on back bar and have one 5pc bonus from other set on front bar or vice versa in any weapon combinations since two handed weapons were changed to count as 2 items. So no sacrifices just pure benefits since master dual wield dmg increase is comparable to whole 5 pc set.
L2Theorycraft
I know how builds work champ, Ive ran that exact setup before. I run similar build setup on different toons. But personally I prefer DW front over 2H front and there are a lot of people that are in a similar boat. I know that the master bleed is strong, but what Im saying is its not as common as the OP is suggesting.
In that case You know You've lied when You said that wearing master dual wield requires sacrifices.
When 90% of stam builds run master axes due to the insanely high bleed damage in no CP we have a problem.
SupremeRissole wrote: »SupremeRissole wrote: »SupremeRissole wrote: »hate to tell you not everyone runs master dw, and those that do sacrifice either a 5pc or a monster set so it's pretty balanced imo. I havent run master dw in about 4 patches and every patch I try it.
l2p
Hate to tell You but back bars exist. You can run master dual wield + 5pc set + 5 pc set + 2pc monster set. You can slot master dual wield on back bar and have one 5pc bonus from other set on front bar or vice versa in any weapon combinations since two handed weapons were changed to count as 2 items. So no sacrifices just pure benefits since master dual wield dmg increase is comparable to whole 5 pc set.
L2Theorycraft
I know how builds work champ, Ive ran that exact setup before. I run similar build setup on different toons. But personally I prefer DW front over 2H front and there are a lot of people that are in a similar boat. I know that the master bleed is strong, but what Im saying is its not as common as the OP is suggesting.
In that case You know You've lied when You said that wearing master dual wield requires sacrifices.
I means sacrificing running DW front bar OR running 2 5pcs and a monster set on the front bar.
PhoenixGrey wrote: »Certain kinds of builds are on the rise on high MMR bg's I observed while mainly pugging.
1.Apply and forget builds (one of OP's complaint include this )
2.Sloads/ viper / shieldbreaker
3.Torug's abuse starring werewolves and some wardens
4. Draining shot builds. Who can get in 2 snipes before the unbreakable cc(10x worse than broken rune cage). But this is a L2P issue as it is an intended nightblade buff.
5. Overuse of oblivion enchants
Magika classes continue to be irrelevant apart from the odd extraordinary player. Their sole purpose last patch was to fuel my magika bar. Too bad they dont stick around anymore.
In a weird way the game is more balanced than ever before. Everyone is using the same sets right ?
Which is not a sacrifice. Changing from 5/5/2 to 5/5/2/2 is an improvement not sacrifice.
This is now officially a Nerf Sorc thread.
No, all classes are using Master Axes not just sorcs. Sorcs are far less powerful than last patch and still lack a good spamable. Crushing weapon kind of your only option with dizzying swing being so unreliable. Master axe bleeds does fill the gap, MA makes them seem OP because it out performs anything else you could use. MA bleeds with high execute damage from Steel Tornado and implosion procs is what makes good stam sorcs these days. If it wasn't for Master Axes, sorcs would need a buff.
1v1 a NB with master axes should kill any stam sorc everytime due to how easily and how often they can get major defile on their opponent. Sorcs are not the issue, Master Axe bleed damage is the issue
Running Master's DW absolutely requires sacrifices—it's disingenuous to claim otherwise
They only add 675 damage per tick (1350 halved by Battlespirit), +/- a little due to %-based damage boosts and mitigation sources. So the guys hitting you with 2k+ rendings would've done 1.5k+ even without Stinging Slashes (if we're talking non-crit values), and all other things being equal. In a realistic setting, it would be notably more than 1.5k, since they'd be applying it on a frontbar DW with proper 5/5/2 and better base stats than an offbar setup.
Also note that Rending ticks at a rate of every 2 seconds, unlike some other DoTs, so the extra 675 per tick only translates into a DPS boost of 338 (plus maybe 15% including for crits).
For perspective, here's a calculator for how much DPS the Viper set outputs (yes, I know a 2pc set isn't comparable to a 5pc one; the idea is to provide a gauge for what 338 DPS "feels" like in practice).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TfyCmjIFksysDkNlEV_mx3WxbkYI07HOO6b85Y_qs4Q/edit#gid=1200862223
Viper, under a range of realistic parameters in a CP environment, deals around the ballpark of 500+ DPS, much more than Master's DW. Yet no one regards it as a particularly gamebreaking set.
I'm also not sold on the fact that there are any solid backbar sets for stam DPS aside from Clever Alch.
The OP makes a post about everything that kills him and I do not condone it.
I agree that bleeds are very powerful in no-cp. But not overpowered. They provide counterplay to certain tanky healy builds- especially magwardens, who are the current meta in BGs. So nothing should be touched here.
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