I say no to upward progression because all it does IMO is make me grind for xp and gear to give a false sense of accomplishment only to repeat every single DLC or Expansion. Lets say they increase the gear level to 180 from 160. Unless they add a way to upgrade current 160 gear to 180 then sorry but you're SOL on all the gear you collected and have to start farming all over. If they add the ability to upgrade the gear to 180 then you know its gonna be either super expensive or super time consuming basically forcing you to just farm most of the gear anyway. I love this game and see myself sticking with it until the very end and one of the many reason I love it is because of the lack of upward progression. I've been around since day 1 and have experienced the veteran rank system and I was glad it got scrapped.

I don't mind the CP system, I just think it needs to be reworked with better perks or something. One thing I think would be cool would be to have each class have its own trees for their class skill lines as well as all the other skill lines where you can progress your abilities (both active and passives) even further We will have to wait and see what happens I guess.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

I say no to upward progression because all it does IMO is make me grind for xp and gear to give a false sense of accomplishment only to repeat every single DLC or Expansion. Lets say they increase the gear level to 180 from 160. Unless they add a way to upgrade current 160 gear to 180 then sorry but you're SOL on all the gear you collected and have to start farming all over. If they add the ability to upgrade the gear to 180 then you know its gonna be either super expensive or super time consuming basically forcing you to just farm most of the gear anyway. I love this game and see myself sticking with it until the very end and one of the many reason I love it is because of the lack of upward progression. I've been around since day 1 and have experienced the veteran rank system and I was glad it got scrapped.

I don't mind the CP system, I just think it needs to be reworked with better perks or something. One thing I think would be cool would be to have each class have its own trees for their class skill lines as well as all the other skill lines where you can progress your abilities (both active and passives) even further We will have to wait and see what happens I guess.

Perhaps they will rework the CP system to somehow make both more meaningful and interesting. As far as reworking gear I guess that is something I do anyway since I try out new sets and builds as they come out. If I had to make or grind the next build in say CP 170 that would not be such a hardship. And playing in CP160 gear till then would not be so bad. I do have 14 mazed tunes but just like I made them one at a time I would update them over time. Playing with old gear is not the worst thing. While playing in say cp150 gear would be less than perfect it would not be unplayable. I think because it has been so long since gear level increased we have developed an unreasonable fear of change.

Im not saying we need to increase gear cap. Perhaps progression could be in additional morphs or skill lines or some other relevant system. But regardless of how they do it, the change would both provide an opportunity to progress and require some work to gain. To some, the idea of this work is seen as a grind, but to me, I see a goal and enjoyment. It has been said to me in other posts that I should slow down and enjoy the journey... but after 4 years perhaps we should move a little bit, some will move faster and others will get there at their own pace.

CaineCarver wrote: »

I really did not start this thread just to push for gear cap increases. In fact, to me, that would be a boring form of progression change. I already change gear on my toons as I test new sets and builds. I was hoping we could discuss possible alternatives or changes to the CP system. The possibility of a tiered skill line continuation, or dual class migrations or something else. I would just like the character builds to have some new progression after four years.

Yeah me too.
The CP feels unrewarding towards character progression while leveling. Especially after I've had my CP's capped for the past 2 years.
I've never cared about achievements, because the meaningful ones are being lumped together with things like "Nose Diver" (https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Nose_Diver). The ones giving a title is nothing but a cosmetic change. In fact, there are so many titles that I don't even bother reading them anymore (they are simply not unique anymore).
I guess the same thing goes for all cosmestic changes; it doesn't give any character progression and with so many variations of everything there nothing that feels unique anymore.

I mean, the biggest part of why someone keeps leveling in any rpg game is character progression. "Carrot on a stick" as someone previously claimed to be psychologically unhealthy (which isn't true the least). It makes you feel stronger, you get more opportunities to do various things (more areas opens up, more mobs to take on etc).

Feeling like you're on a treadmill that leads nowhere is a mentally stagnant state which is very closely related to how someone with depression feels like. Now That's psychologically unhealthy, and a huge reason to why I don't play as much as I once used to and also why none of my in game friends, over the past 4 (close to 5) years, have kept playing any longer than a year. If you look around, it's surprisingly few players above CP 1300 (and I've been gone from ESO for a total of 1½-2 years). The reason is that those people have quit.

The game is great while there are still things to explore and kill. But once you've done it, and it's easily doable (in order to please the majority of the current crowd), there's very little left to do; It's lacking proper end game character progression.

CaineCarver wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

We do not need a gear treadmill
Many players have 10+ characters
If they increase the gear cap and make people grind all their gear over from scratch, the game will die overnight.

Gear grinds are not interesting and compelling game play.
They are boring and pointless

I really did not start this thread just to push for gear cap increases. In fact, to me, that would be a boring form of progression change. I already change gear on my toons as I test new sets and builds. I was hoping we could discuss possible alternatives or changes to the CP system. The possibility of a tiered skill line continuation, or dual class migrations or something else. I would just like the character builds to have some new progression after four years.

No it wont if they include new powerful gear youll be grinding not quiting let be real its no different than grinding for gear now. If mats were cheaper and more abundant it would be no issue.