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Stamina Sorcerer
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Mashille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Balance changes don't normally come till later Patch Notes like 4.3.1 or 4.3.2House Baratheon: 'Ours Is The Fury'0 -
kaevix✭✭✭what u mean? they did come up with something, a nerf with the removal of implosion. ty for reading this update's patch notesWhy, when an AV actress leashes her pet slave and sits on his face she's called sexy or a babe, but when I do that to my pvp opponents, I'm called toxic?
Why, when someone swaps toons to a different faction to farm 25k AP for transmutes, it's seen as a bit of naughty fun, but when I delete my DC rank 50 Grand Overlord with 4000 hours clocked to create an EP Argonian, I'm called a faction swapper?
Say no to censorship lads.5 -
Chufu✭✭✭✭✭
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kaevix✭✭✭
ra kotu air atro ult morphWhy, when an AV actress leashes her pet slave and sits on his face she's called sexy or a babe, but when I do that to my pvp opponents, I'm called toxic?
Why, when someone swaps toons to a different faction to farm 25k AP for transmutes, it's seen as a bit of naughty fun, but when I delete my DC rank 50 Grand Overlord with 4000 hours clocked to create an EP Argonian, I'm called a faction swapper?
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Thraben✭✭✭✭✭Would a class change token count
? Sorry, after the experiences of this patch and the previous one, and since both StamWarden and StamNecro are more profitable, I don´t think they will invest the Dev time needed to overhaul the class. Edited by Thraben on January 21, 2019 11:13PMHauptmann der Dolche des Königs
DDK ist die letzte Verteidigungslinie des Dolchsturz- Bündnisses auf der 30-Tage-No-CP- Kampagne(EU) mit dem Anspruch, in kleinen, anfängerfreundlichen Raid-Gruppen möglichst epische Schlachten auszufechten.
DDK is the Daggerfall Covenant´s last line of defense on the 30 days no-cp campaign (EU). We intend to fight epic battles in small, casual player friendly raid groups.0 -
WreckfulAbandon✭✭✭✭✭
✭A nerf to group healing would be a buff to everyone. I don't see that happening but then again maybe slightly more likely than stamsorc getting new toysPC NA
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MashmalloMan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Great so we truely have no class execute now. At least people can stop using implosion as a crutch that stam sorc's are perfectly fine. That RNG based execute can go.
The new passive is somewhat interesting. Gives the class a unique flavour with reverse execute mechanics. Will need to test tonight.
Still waiting on new morphs, but we knew this patch wouldn't do anything about class balance in terms of anything substantial.
Side Note: It will be a bit annoying testing dmg on dummy now with sorc because you will need to factor in the inflation of 10% dmg. Question is how it scales. Does this also mean that Bloodthirsty becomes less relevant, maybe infused jewelry comes out with more dps now?Edited by MashmalloMan on January 21, 2019 11:35PM1 -
weedgenius✭✭✭✭✭
✭The racial changes will be a boon for Redguard stamsorc sustain since the class is so reliant on weapon abilities. That's about all I got.PS4 NA
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Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seems like we got yet another nerf with implosion removal
Coupd be a good thing so it stops the crying but i wish we got something instead2 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Pets scaling on highest resources stam or mag
stam varient of crystal frags or make it trigger on skill use rather than mag skill allowing for a hybrid like burst attack
Change the unused summon atro to an air atronach that does physical damage in a non stop whirlwind spin like the trial boss.
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Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We actually need decent passive synergy
Stamsorc got nothing interesting at all in last updates
Only reason it was still okayish was synergy of implosion with dots , bleeds, and spin to win3 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It was stated earlier that no class rebalancing should be expected this patch. See you all in May when Elsweyr patch notes are released.0 -
Thraben✭✭✭✭✭Marshall1289 wrote: »Great so we truely have no class execute now. At least people can stop using implosion as a crutch that stam sorc's are perfectly fine. That RNG based execute can go.
The new passive is somewhat interesting. Gives the class a unique flavour with reverse execute mechanics. Will need to test tonight.
Still waiting on new morphs, but we knew this patch wouldn't do anything about class balance in terms of anything substantial.
Side Note: It will be a bit annoying testing dmg on dummy now with sorc because you will need to factor in the inflation of 10% dmg. Question is how it scales. Does this also mean that Bloodthirsty becomes less relevant, maybe infused jewelry comes out with more dps now?
If a reverse execute would be good, everyone would use the other matriarch morph I don´t even know the name of. The nerfed implosion is just a poor man´s minor brutality that gets weaker over time.
That being said, some Magsorcs will be happy, as they use Fury anyway to execute something.Edited by Thraben on January 21, 2019 11:58PMHauptmann der Dolche des Königs
DDK ist die letzte Verteidigungslinie des Dolchsturz- Bündnisses auf der 30-Tage-No-CP- Kampagne(EU) mit dem Anspruch, in kleinen, anfängerfreundlichen Raid-Gruppen möglichst epische Schlachten auszufechten.
DDK is the Daggerfall Covenant´s last line of defense on the 30 days no-cp campaign (EU). We intend to fight epic battles in small, casual player friendly raid groups.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Crystal Blast morph turned into a melee range type ability, similar to Solar Barrage and granting empower for a short duration.2 -
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✭Still no news about the stamina atro ultimate that they've talked about during a live show. 0 -
del9✭✭✭✭It is not a class balancing patch yet they decided to change a key sorcerer feature? Why?
Give us something back, please. Give Stam sorc anything it has no soul.PCNA5 -
macsmooth✭✭✭✭They did give me something to change my stam Sorc they gave me a new kat to use it with
I don’t really get the reasoning behind the implosion passive as it forces me to use excute from 2h or spin to win play style, they need to give us a stamina mages fury morph a air wrath if you will
They could also make it that the clannfear that works of the highest stat like flames of oblivion does that way it might actually be good for more than just the heal1 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There's just nothing to stamsorcs, no flavour or theme at all. They'd have to get back to the drawing board to not only make them viable, but fun.
Stamina builds for Sorcerers feel more like an afterthought than for any other class, as they are mainly focused around pets and lightning damage. DKs got their poison morphs, Templars can use Aedric Spears for physical damage, Nightblades have the best stamina spamable in the game, and Wardens have proper stamina pets and hit like a truck.
What's left for Sorcerers? A stamina Sorcerer sounds like a complete contradiction, but there are some hints in the class descriptions for Sorcerers in previous TES games.
Daggerfall
Sorcerers are quite adept at the manipulation of magic, although they do not generate their own magical energy. Rather, they absorb the energy of spells cast at them, and use this energy to power their own spells.
Morrowind
Though spellcasters by vocation, sorcerers rely most on summonings and enchantments. They are greedy for magic scrolls, rings, armor and weapons, and commanding undead and Daedric servants gratifies their egos.
Oblivion
Besting the most well-equipped fighters, they rely on the spells of the mystic arts. Unique to these mages is the bodily stamina to be armed with the thickest armor.
So, they can absorb energy, excel at the use of magical weapons and armor, and are very well armored. Can't ZOS create something interesting with this? Please? Maybe an overload morph that overcharges your weapon enchantments by 300%, anything.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.2 -
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A useful skill other than the bound armor in the daedric way (to be able to take advantage of the liabilities, other than with the bound armor) is an Atro stam or a curse stam
I do not like pets except the wardens' pets system (except the useless bear) so pets stam yes but that works like beetles
A spamable
Passives more useful in group
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Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Amplitude seem pretty cool for magsorc but pretty berf for stamsorc. We could use some love0 -
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✭✭✭Marshall1289 wrote: »Great so we truely have no class execute now. At least people can stop using implosion as a crutch that stam sorc's are perfectly fine. That RNG based execute can go.
The new passive is somewhat interesting. Gives the class a unique flavour with reverse execute mechanics. Will need to test tonight.
Still waiting on new morphs, but we knew this patch wouldn't do anything about class balance in terms of anything substantial.
Side Note: It will be a bit annoying testing dmg on dummy now with sorc because you will need to factor in the inflation of 10% dmg. Question is how it scales. Does this also mean that Bloodthirsty becomes less relevant, maybe infused jewelry comes out with more dps now?
If a reverse execute would be good, everyone would use the other matriarch morph I don´t even know the name of. The nerfed implosion is just a poor man´s minor brutality that gets weaker over time.
That being said, some Magsorcs will be happy, as they use Fury anyway to execute something.
It would be a poor man's Minor Berserk, not Minor Brutality. Of course it stacks with Minor Berserk ... and Minor Brutality.
At least in PvE, Amplitude appears to be fairly strong.
And to a prior comment about Bloodthirsty and Infused ... depends on your setup. With a DW setup, I had better results leaning towards Infused. With a 2H setup and an Execute, I have better results with Bloodthirsty.
I don't have much to add from a PvP perspective, but from a PvE perspective I think people will be pleasantly surprised with stamsorc performance this patch. Sustain is significantly improved if you go Redguard and use a weapon spammable. You can get solid DPS with either Rele/Deadly Strike using Rapid Strikes or Rele/AY using last patch's rotation or Rele/AY using a 2H build.
I started tooling around with a 2H stamsorc build just for fun and it actually hits extremely hard. Sustain is also basically infinite with Redguard and the full-strength Absorb Stam enchant on the 2H weapon.0 -
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✭2H stamsorcs are hitting hard on live, too. I play a Khajiit, so no weapon spammable for me, but I find Crushing Weapon is a rather good spammable in pve. It's cheap (my tooltip reads 1901 stamina compared to 2525 for Shrouded Daggers or 2268 for Dizzying Swing). You just have to switch Rending Slashes for Brawler and have to find a spot on your bar for the Execute. Oh. You'd have to throw either Bound Armor or Hurricane out.
What I want: Make Bound Armaments Light Attack damage bonus a passive added to having a Daedric Summoning ability on the bar. Give us one Stamina morph for Daedric Summoning: a stamina Familiar or a stamina daedric curse. Then we would have a dot/pet to replace Bound Armaments on our bar. We would have to drop Hurricane for a 2H Execute anyway, but then we would have still another class dot and Hurricane stays a tanking or aoe focused tool.
The loss of Implosion means a loss of Execute/Burst in PVP, plus it's a loss of RANGED burst. You do physical damage with a bow, too. This could be replaced by a Stamina Morph of Crystal Shard. It could work mostly the same like the magicka skill, just triggered by stamina skills, additional effect knockdown, a strong daedric blast.
Stamsorcs don't have as many debuffs/buffs as other classes can throw around. There was a table once posted here on the forums, sadly I didn't saved link. It shows how much (de)buffs like major sorcery, major defile, major fracture etc. other classes throw around and how few Sorcs have. I am ok with that, as long as Sorcs get other useful things, like dps. StamSorc dps should be comparable to Stamblade dps. (Ofc not in solo parses beceause of Major Fracture on the Stamblade spammable.)1000+ CP
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cpuScientist✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ahhh I mean every Stam option gets to play with their classes main dps toys as well as take advantage of the class Magicka defense with their leftover mag.
StamDK gets dots and leap, uses mag on wings mending and a fantastic stun.
stamDen gets shalk bird and mag on their many major buffs.
StamPlar on jabs potl javelin and then purges
StamBlade more or less everything mag has a Stam morph except for funnel.
Every patch more and more of the StamSorc has been taken away with promise that next patch it would be addressed. Devs said they acknowledge that there needs something. In PvP stamSorcs crutch on skills other classes don't need or even would want. With the only offense all it's own being hurricane tickle dot. Completely carried by Dawn spin implosion.
Now this patch implosion which I hate sure is gone another nerf, the enchant Nerf is really hard on them because rending is their spam heavy rending until dawn is up then Dawn spin and pray.
Give StamSorc a melee procced frag, give them a curse, give them a pet, give them an ultimate, give them something anything from the class... Give them a SOUL6 -
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✭Bump
Amplitude doesn't do anything for us, please halp.
wdym its 5% increased damage...
It's a little annoying that it literally does the reverse of what you need, lowesy damage during execute. But its not nothing. And lets be honest the old implosion was BS on top of what sorcs already get. Especially mag sorcs.EU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
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