I'll be honest, I think TES VI will be a let down after 6+ years of ESO

Casdha · January 2019

As some of you have gathered by my posts, I play mostly Solo in this game. But contrary to popular belief I do like the ability to play with my friends when time permits

Sure a single player game can have Better graphics and physics (especially if Bethesda would update their engine), but what about the environment. I've grown so accustom to being able to play with friends when I want that, depending on what modes of play are in the new TES game, may or may not be a let down. That however is not going to be the biggest fear I have of TES VI's launch.

1st, It is the living world that ESO creates, Real people vs NPCs everywhere. I'm afraid that the new TES game will feel dead after playing this game for 6+ years. My second fear is that Bethesda will realize this and try to correct for it and try to go a route similar to Fallout 76.

I'm not sure how I feel about any version of events that could take place when it comes to this franchise. Do I want a Single player only game, maybe a 4 player Co-Op game or just hope that this game (ESO) continues to have enough support that I can stay right here. I know I don't want every potential humanoid NPC to be replaced by a real person.

I'd like to see what some of the other long time TES players feel about my reservations and/or about the continuation of this franchise. Also, whether or not others feel the same or maybe has the same apprehensions as I do.

Rake · January 2019

yes

Perashim · January 2019

I agree, as Bethesda seems to keep shooting themselves in the foot because they think they're invincible.

Chufu · January 2019

I think TES VI would be a nice experience storywise for The Elder Scrolls.

But yeah, I play ESO also because I love to play with friends, finding new friends via a guild and I love group activities. I always missed that in Skyrim, although that had a wonderful story with a lot of funny bits (have you every tried the cheese-mod?) and nice graphics for a solo game.

My personal opinion is though: Put the money instead of TES VI into ESO, but yeah Bethesda always did their own way.

VaranisArano · January 2019

I will miss the ability to role play through questlines with friends.

However, Skyrim had much deeper questlines, interesting locations, complicated NPCs, and an overall richer character experience.

In comparison, ESO has breadth but not depth.

Bladerunner1 · January 2019

As long as it gets a massive graphics / NPC AI / sound upgrade compared to FO76 or ESO, it should be worth it to me. ESO will still be around for the fun group play, but ES6 should be the eye candy that everyone wants.

Darkstorne · January 2019

Casdha wrote: »

My second fear is that Bethesda will realize this and try to correct for it and try to go a route similar to Fallout 76.

After how fans reacted to this approach in 76, and sales figures were so dire for a Fallout title, that's one thing you definitely won't have to worry about

I wouldn't be surprised if TES6 adopts a content strategy inspired by ESO though. Something akin to what Assassin's Creed Odyssey is doing, proving that regular updates to a single player game's story and cosmetics can sell just as well as in MMOs.

leetacakesb16_ESO · January 2019

Personally, I hope it stays single player and at the most maybe an optional co-op system like in Resident Evil 5. I don't think every game needs to be multiplayer.

Edit: I forgot to mention that I remember some players were saying they were disappointed ESO was nothing like Skyrim.

AVaelham · January 2019

I will miss the variety of zones. I hope TES VI is High Rock + Hammerfell at the very least

myskyrim26 · January 2019

I will play TES VI. And of course I will keep playing ESO as so much of Tamriel is yet to be opened for exploration

Casdha · January 2019

Darkstorne wrote: »

Casdha wrote: »

My second fear is that Bethesda will realize this and try to correct for it and try to go a route similar to Fallout 76.

After how fans reacted to this approach in 76, and sales figures were so dire for a Fallout title, that's one thing you definitely won't have to worry about

I wouldn't be surprised if TES6 adopts a content strategy inspired by ESO though. Something akin to what Assassin's Creed Odyssey is doing, proving that regular updates to a single player game's story and cosmetics can sell just as well as in MMOs.

I expected this from Skyrim when it came out. The could have continued with DLCs after Dragonborn and I would have still been shucking money at them, but no, they up and let it all but die. Two versions on PC, 360 and XB1 were enough for me (too much actually). I had even hoped that they would start up again after getting all of the ports in, but I should have known better.

MLGProPlayer · January 2019

If they go with a crappy propriety graphics engine and another condensed world, it'll be a flop. I hope that's not what they're doing though and that they're using their time wisely.

adriant1978 · January 2019

Won't miss other random players running around half naked, spamming abilities, dueling, etc one bit. Total immersion killer. Bring on the NPCs!

What I will miss is the ability to play the game with my girlfriend. I dream of some sort of co-op mode.

zaria · January 2019

Ignoring FO76 who I see as an knock off and experiment who got a messed up ala bad pug.
Fallout 4 was also pretty disappointing.
Yes it was fun, but the storytelling was kind of messed up with the dialogue system.
After FO3 and FO:NV I saw Fallout as far more story driven with quality over quantity while TES was more about quantity and live in another world. Well that one failed. Again fun game but.

For TES 6 I would lend it far more towards ESO than FO4. No voiced character. Yes an Khajiit growing up among Redguards would not say this one but he would sound diferent, same with Argonians. An young Bosmer will sound diferent from an old Orc. I did not mind voiced character in FO4 outside of visual bugs but the dialoge system was an downer, even with mod who showed that you would actual say, ESO is way better here.
Also let us cast from hotkeys like in ESO.

Thealteregoroman · January 2019

Darkstorne wrote: »

Casdha wrote: »

My second fear is that Bethesda will realize this and try to correct for it and try to go a route similar to Fallout 76.

After how fans reacted to this approach in 76, and sales figures were so dire for a Fallout title, that's one thing you definitely won't have to worry about

I wouldn't be surprised if TES6 adopts a content strategy inspired by ESO though. Something akin to what Assassin's Creed Odyssey is doing, proving that regular updates to a single player game's story and cosmetics can sell just as well as in MMOs.

This is probably what will end up happening...
If done right though it could be awesome.

1mirg · January 2019

Casdha wrote: »

I'd like to see what some of the other long time TES players feel about my reservations and/or about the continuation of this franchise. Also, whether or not others feel the same or maybe has the same apprehensions as I do.

Elderscrolls 6 on paper is wonderful but the reality of the matter is that the game will still be running on a very old and outdated engine. You seen FO76, right? Well, essentially the new ES game is going to be using that very same engine but "updated' so it's more graphically rich. This means that the same issues with the engine will still be present in the new game and it will be borrowing a good amount from FO4+Skyrim too according to a decent amount of leaks around the net. This part has me worried and makes me think the game will flop due to this as it'll be just another FO76 but with better graphics.

The story will no doubt be improved upon as ES titles tend to be treated with great care when it comes to the story. I have yet to see anyone loathe the story in one of those IPs thus far. So no worries there for me.

The gameplay will prob be like Skyrim. Very open world but heavily narratively driven with your character be some 'chosen one' as that's how most ES titles go usually. So it's the same old story and i'm fine with that, i'm more excited about adventuring in this new region and experiencing a good story.

This is my take on it. I don't have high hopes for the game overall but I can see it's possible good merits. Though in all honesty I don't mind the next ES game flopping as i'm 100% fine with just sticking with ESO for my ES needs.

Elsterchen · January 2019

Actually I think it will be refreshing to see TES VI and I will definately play it. I know I can get quite involved in TES games trying to play different characters and enjoy different view on the world presented, so a 2 years leave from eso isn't out of the world, if Bethesda is doing a good job.

Eso is doing alot to make people that like to spend less then a handfull of hours per week in game comfortable, I acknowledge that, but many decisions and changes to eso are just not what I wish or care for. Some are really frustating, which shouldn't be the case in a game i play for fun. So, maybe its a really good thing something else shows up soon. It will definately change my view, for the good or worse of eso remains to be seen.

Lyserus · January 2019

Given how Bethesda is now, the reason TES VI will be crap is more likely to be Bethesda's own reason

Krayl · January 2019

I feel the opposite. I think ESO has given them a real chance to experiment with things and add to lore and flesh out some figures in the TES timeline. I realize there are always questions about 'canon' and timelines and "BUT DOES IT FIT THE LORE???" but we have to be realistic - TES was basically created as a game first and a fantasy world second. The story was created to fit being a game, not vice versa.

The one thing that has always been weakest to me in the solo games have been the individual characters. I realize there are some beloved characters in all the games, but they have never really had the recurrence or personality that ESO has given them. They've always been very robotic, but as ESO has evolved they have really given characters new life and personality. I think that part of the storytelling will be a huge benefit to future elder scrolls games, not to mention all the ideas and systems that ESO has spawned.

I think those elements of lore and more character personality will add to the 'huge open world' concept and be pretty great. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I have high hopes.

theyancey · January 2019

ESO subs will take a major hit as the vast majority of us scrollers will head out to TES VI. I'll certainly drop mine but still sign in most days just for the rewards.

Faulgor · January 2019

I'm still interested where they're going to take the story in the 4th era, but gameplay-wise, I don't have any hopes. It's going to be a further streamlined and dumbed down buggy mess.

Commancho · January 2019

I think that if TES6 is going be a dissapointment then for sure not because of the reasons mentioned by OP.
Singleplayer cRPG can't be compared to MMO... That's completly diffrent experience...

Megatto · January 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

I will miss the ability to role play through questlines with friends.

However, Skyrim had much deeper questlines, interesting locations, complicated NPCs, and an overall richer character experience.

In comparison, ESO has breadth but not depth.

Skyrim barely had depth at all

ToRelax · January 2019

A single player game I want to be able to modify to my expectations. So that doesn't really compete directly with ESO.

Krayl · January 2019

Commancho wrote: »

I think that if TES6 is going be a dissapointment then for sure not because of the reasons mentioned by OP.
Singleplayer cRPG can't be compared to MMO... That's completly diffrent experience...

So because it's a different experience, it's going to be relatively "worse"?

I'm not sure that makes sense.

WitchyWarrior · January 2019

theyancey wrote: »

ESO subs will take a major hit as the vast majority of us scrollers will head out to TES VI. I'll certainly drop mine but still sign in most days just for the rewards.

Yup, me too.
Unless there is some HUGE change in either game(something good in ESO or something bad in TES VI) My sub will be stopped indefinitely.
No point in paying that monthly fee if I'm not going to be spending the majority of my time in game.
But we still have a loooong time to wait.
I really REALLY hope they have learned a few valuable lessons from FO76. I am a bit worried that they have not. But who knows.

Juponen · January 2019

ESO and TES. Apples and oranges.

The real problem with TES VI is the worsening track record of Bethesda and their inability to make a new game-engine. Not that they can use their old one decently, witness the Fallout 76 farce...

So, it will be a let down but it has nothing to do with ESO.

The only ray of hope is that the Fallout debacle finally forces them to review themselves honestly and scrape the rust off.

eso_nya · January 2019

Wasnt tes 6 supposed to be something like a mobile app?

JJBoomer · January 2019

I will play both because i like both. doesn't have to be an either or situation

VaranisArano · January 2019

Megatto wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I will miss the ability to role play through questlines with friends.

However, Skyrim had much deeper questlines, interesting locations, complicated NPCs, and an overall richer character experience.

In comparison, ESO has breadth but not depth.

Skyrim barely had depth at all

Eye of the beholder.

Compared to TES III Morrowind where the how plot is uncovering the ancient events and figuring out what you'll do about it? Sure, Skyrim barely had depth.

But if you want, Skyrim is the story of a nation rent by past conflicts, centuries of border wars, imperial mismanagement, and turmoil caused by the rise of the Dominion and the Great War, which directly impacts the characters we meet in ways that the game doesnt explicitly reveal but nontheless drive the plot.

There's roleplaying depth to be found in ESO too, but I tend look at ESO's Skyrim vs actual Skyrim or ESO's Vvardenfell, and I'm going to repeat myself. ESO has breadth, not depth. It does very well at having sweeping landscapes and broad regional quests. It does less well at exploring new cultures or creating complex characters.

olsborg · January 2019

Nah when TES 6 comes out, ESO will be almost a decade old game, outdated and old. TES6 will be fresh and minty.