juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »I'm not going to buy any tokens from the crown store or from players for them to balance their mistakes, since balancing is included in our ESO Plus. s .
FlyingSwan wrote: »juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »I'm not going to buy any tokens from the crown store or from players for them to balance their mistakes, since balancing is included in our ESO Plus. s .
Where do ZOS talk about balancing being included in ESO Plus? Not suggesting you are wrong, but I'd like to read what they have said on this point.
RoamingRiverElk wrote: »You're able to CREATE a NEW character. You do not have to race change at all. So to answer your question: No, it's not pay to win.
Is it reasonable for ZoS to force a player to delete an existing character in order to be able to make a new character in order to avoid paying for a race change token, or an additional character slot? Or forcing a player to delete one character anyway because they already have the maximum amount of slots used?
Yes.
I doubt anyone could honestly answer yes to that question unless they happened to be lucky enough to for their race/class combos to have made it through these changes unscathed.
juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »FlyingSwan wrote: »juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »I'm not going to buy any tokens from the crown store or from players for them to balance their mistakes, since balancing is included in our ESO Plus. s .
Where do ZOS talk about balancing being included in ESO Plus? Not suggesting you are wrong, but I'd like to read what they have said on this point.
It's been stated by ZOS so many times over the years live and in some threads. Feel free to browse. You're already here in the forums. It was even reexplained live in more detail around when tamriel unlimited was released in 2015, which is before you entered the forums in ESO. This is also nothing new. It's standard practice to use money generated from subs, dlc, store, and expacs for those costs anyway. If you listen every time they talk and read their comments they almost always slip out new key info to sell their product. Sometimes the information seems meaningless to them at the time, but it sometimes bites them later on. Anyway, It's one of many services they provide including keeping the servers running and maintained, customer service, new content, .........., but let's not go on about how that's going again either. Yes I've been here a long time. I already understand why you asked as well. I've seen all of your comments in the other threads. There is a lot going on with this subject and multiple threads have been up about it the last couple of days. Those might help you see the whole picture, or not. Your choice.
FlyingSwan wrote: »I can't find anything in the forums saying that ESO+ includes balancing, and I was an ESO+ subber since release (have played since the first round of beta), but dropped it last time my renewal came up about a year ago. I personally never noted anything different to non-sub in terms of it 'including balancing' however.
lordrichter wrote: »FlyingSwan wrote: »I can't find anything in the forums saying that ESO+ includes balancing, and I was an ESO+ subber since release (have played since the first round of beta), but dropped it last time my renewal came up about a year ago. I personally never noted anything different to non-sub in terms of it 'including balancing' however.
ESO Plus does not include "balancing".
Do some of you have to wear helmets when you leave the house? Jesus.
You can change your race for free, just make a new character. Changing race on an existing character is a *convenience*, which is exactly what we said the industry should monetize in web shops rather than items that do actually provide you an advantage. It's literally not p2w you melon.
juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »FlyingSwan wrote: »I can't find anything in the forums saying that ESO+ includes balancing, and I was an ESO+ subber since release (have played since the first round of beta), but dropped it last time my renewal came up about a year ago. I personally never noted anything different to non-sub in terms of it 'including balancing' however.
ESO Plus does not include "balancing".
Not true during their explanation of how they justified their expenses live around the time of the switch to ONE Tamriel. It was also briefly mentioned a few years back when angry players complained about a multitude of issues at the time and felt they weren't getting their money's worth. They mentioned balancing was part of their job and within the operating costs which are paid for amongst many other expenses they have through our support by paying for ESO Plus, DLC's, Expansions,....... and they were working to fix those issues. It's easy to miss those things during their lengthy discussions and it isn't the most exciting thing compared to their reveals since it's standard business. The rest of what they said was irrelevant because the rest didn't pertain to this subject. What I do think is you and Flying swan are misinterpreting what I mean by that. I do not mean it is some advertising perk in anyway. It is a standard job and therefore expense all dev teams have working on mmo's which is pretty clear cut. Anyway, nowadays, they just say we're working on it, if they even answer at all. Exactly, so these things don't bite them in the kazoo like they used to do.
While it may not quite be P2W yet, it's certainly now pay-to-keep-up-with-meta.
Wasn't the last big round of changes the sustain nerfs that came with Morrowind's release? They must have done quite well (at selling those Race Change Tokens) for us to be going through it again. The irony is, the more people willing to purchase Race Change Tokens now, the sooner we'll see the next set of big stat changes to our characters.
FlyingSwan wrote: »juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »FlyingSwan wrote: »I can't find anything in the forums saying that ESO+ includes balancing, and I was an ESO+ subber since release (have played since the first round of beta), but dropped it last time my renewal came up about a year ago. I personally never noted anything different to non-sub in terms of it 'including balancing' however.
ESO Plus does not include "balancing".
Not true during their explanation of how they justified their expenses live around the time of the switch to ONE Tamriel. It was also briefly mentioned a few years back when angry players complained about a multitude of issues at the time and felt they weren't getting their money's worth. They mentioned balancing was part of their job and within the operating costs which are paid for amongst many other expenses they have through our support by paying for ESO Plus, DLC's, Expansions,....... and they were working to fix those issues. It's easy to miss those things during their lengthy discussions and it isn't the most exciting thing compared to their reveals since it's standard business. The rest of what they said was irrelevant because the rest didn't pertain to this subject. What I do think is you and Flying swan are misinterpreting what I mean by that. I do not mean it is some advertising perk in anyway. It is a standard job and therefore expense all dev teams have working on mmo's which is pretty clear cut. Anyway, nowadays, they just say we're working on it, if they even answer at all. Exactly, so these things don't bite them in the kazoo like they used to do.
I see what you are saying now, it's more that ESO+ funds balancing, rather than includes it. I guess ZOS would argue that the design and development effort for the racial changes was indeed funded by ESO+, DLC sales, cash shop trinkets etc., and the sale of race change tokens are a mere convenience for the player. But I think it's more than that, ZOS know that some highly committed min-maxers will purchase a token per char so they can respec to whatever the new meta will be.
But the foil to that is don't be suckered by it. My main is a min-maxed DPS and I will use the free race change token when it's clear how it's all going to play out, but my alts are mainly tanks, who are not as sensitive to meta changes, so what will be will be.
I can't see many people will buy race change tokens as a result of this. ESO is entirely casual orientated, with the vast majority of players never even visiting this forum, so will be entirely unaware of the meaning to this and will simply carry on oblivious.
No, it takes less than twelve hours to get a character to max level and enough skill points to do endgame content. Additionally, you can complete any content using any race and class combo. The only people seriously impacted by these changes will be hardcore guilds running for score. Every other player would get a larger benefit from perfecting their rotation or improving their gear.
Olupajmibanan wrote: »Race change token can be gifted. Current conversion ratio is +-300g per crown. So just start saving gold, you don't have to spend a single euro.
Olupajmibanan wrote: »Race change token can be gifted. Current conversion ratio is +-300g per crown. So just start saving gold, you don't have to spend a single euro.
Switch to PS4. Current conversion ratio is 100g per Crown.
Olupajmibanan wrote: »Race change token can be gifted. Current conversion ratio is +-300g per crown. So just start saving gold, you don't have to spend a single euro.
juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »FlyingSwan wrote: »I can't find anything in the forums saying that ESO+ includes balancing, and I was an ESO+ subber since release (have played since the first round of beta), but dropped it last time my renewal came up about a year ago. I personally never noted anything different to non-sub in terms of it 'including balancing' however.
ESO Plus does not include "balancing".
Not true during their explanation of how they justified their expenses live around the time of the switch to ONE Tamriel. It was also briefly mentioned a few years back when angry players complained about a multitude of issues at the time and felt they weren't getting their money's worth. They mentioned balancing was part of their job and within the operating costs which are paid for amongst many other expenses they have through our support by paying for ESO Plus, DLC's, Expansions,.......