So what races you think will be meta now?

Tryxus · January 2019

Healer-wise not much has changed: it's still the same 3 races but the difference between Argonians on 1 hand and Bretons & Altmer on the other has been reduced significantly. Argonians are properly toned down whereas Bretons have become Magicka pumps and Altmer now have a Spell Damage buff instead of an Elemental one which makes their heals more potent.

I think it's the same thing for tanks: Argonian, Nord and Imperial

Magicka DPS was a bit of a let down, with Altmer moving to the absolute top soon. Stam DPS still seems to have some variety though Redguard still seems fairly strong.

steven22 · January 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Cash Grab!

Altmer passive is not even close to adrenaline rush 575/6=96/s while Redguard 950/5=190/s, while with around 2,2k recovery currently my Altmer gets almost 200 mag recovery from its passives, it's a nerf especially for PvP.

96/s is almost 200 magickq recovery which is almost the same for you case and mucj better for pve

But not the same amount as adrenaline rush. Thats a huge difference.

Mayrael · January 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Cash Grab!

Altmer passive is not even close to adrenaline rush 575/6=96/s while Redguard 950/5=190/s, while with around 2,2k recovery currently my Altmer gets almost 200 mag recovery from its passives, it's a nerf especially for PvP.

96/s is almost 200 magickq recovery which is almost the same for you case and mucj better for pve

Yeah you're right it's almost the same but constant recovery > when casted, just saying from my perspective

zaria · January 2019

CipherNine wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Magicka DD: was Altmer and Dunmer now gonna be Just Altmer, not because dunmers are bad but because Altmer completely outclass them.

From 2 race choices for mag specs to 1 obvious choice outclassing any other race. Im sure glad their goal of more diversity proved successful!

/s /s /s

Like that was there actual goal anyway. Their real goal is just an obvious cash grab, which is what these racial changes are.
If they actually cared about creating diversity with races they would just remove racial passives completely. It's really about digging into the wallets of the players as much as they can.

its so many ways they can create cash grabs who is significantly better than trying to get people to change races.
OP gear in dlc dungeons is an obvious one. Have an nice motif in dungeon and also sell it in crown store.
More house storrage chests who is crown store only is an even better.
None of the above has much negative impact

Nazzraeda · January 2019

I'm really curious how magcats will fare in terms of raw dps output. They basically get 5th piece bonus of Mother's Sorrow for free now which is very juicy in Minor Force meta. With a bit of max resources here and tiny bit of sustain there also being added I would not be suprised if they become top notch mag DD race especially in group content where you get external sources of sustain. This will require some heavy testing on PTS tho, Altmers with raw spell power might still outdamage them but as I said - I would not be suprised if cats turn out to be new BiS mag race.

Chufu · January 2019

I don't care about BIS, for me the orc is still my favourite.

And as % of the races are gone now, the differences betweeen them are not so crazy anymore.

zaria · January 2019

The_Saint wrote: »

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Mag DD, Altmer though it was nerfed, Dunmer was nerfed more. Mageblades trying more sustain for their proc might try Breton but sustain is always so group dependent it is hard to build tword any specific target.

Dont forget Khajiit for mageblades;-)
750 max magicka, 75 reg and 8% more crit

Sounds crazy but... ;-)

Still both Khajiit and Dumer fall a bit into the hybrid trap and hybrids are useless.
However it let you do both magic and stamina. It can be argued that Khajiit and Dumer players select race first

Bigevilpeter · January 2019

zaria wrote: »

The_Saint wrote: »

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

Mag DD, Altmer though it was nerfed, Dunmer was nerfed more. Mageblades trying more sustain for their proc might try Breton but sustain is always so group dependent it is hard to build tword any specific target.

Dont forget Khajiit for mageblades;-)
750 max magicka, 75 reg and 8% more crit

Sounds crazy but... ;-)

Still both Khajiit and Dumer fall a bit into the hybrid trap and hybrids are useless.
However it let you do both magic and stamina. It can be argued that Khajiit and Dumer players select race first

Yeah perhaps Dunmer would get 300 Fire and poison weapon and spell damage and bosmer would get 300 poison weapon and spell damage

Faulgor · January 2019

Mag DD:
Altmer
Khajiit
Breton
Dunmer

Altmer remain on top by far. Khajiit are still underrated right now, but that will probably change, in terms of damage they should take the 2nd position. Breton is a great choice when going for sustain instead of damage. Dunmer come in last because they are outclassed in damage and sustain by all others.

Stam DD:
Redguard
Khajiit
Dunmer
Bosmer
Orc

Redguard still have the most amazing sustain, but Khajiit are close behind now with buffs for max stam and recovery. Dunmer provide the best flat out damage buff of all stamina races, and should be on par with Khajiit overall. Bosmer only have recovery going for them and are outclassed by Redguards. Orcs are the worst in resources, and are outclassed in recovery by Redguard / Bosmer and in damage by Khajiit / Dunmer.

Tank:
Argonian
Nord
Imperial

Argonians got nerfed, but remain a solid choice. Nords don't have any sustain going for them, but can take the most beatings and provide good group utility with ulti gain. You could chose either depending on your build. Imperials are decent, but not that far ahead of all other races.

Healer:
Argonian
Breton
Dunmer
Altmer

Not much has changed for Argonian healers, the 1000 Magicka might actually turn out to be a buff. Bretons got buffed for this role, too, as did Dunmer due to their increased Spell Damage. Altmer will depend on your class, but they can fill that role without any issue.

In that order. Bosmer, Orc and Imperial seem the worst now. Congratulations to Khajiit and Nords for ascending.

xxthir13enxx · January 2019

The only thing benefiting from a Dunmer is Vampire....if your not a vamp...go High Elf

kathandira · January 2019

Please take this conversation to https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/453551/upcoming-racial-balance-changes-for-update-21#latest

We don't need the entire General Sub Forum to be filled with this topic.

Azyle1 · January 2019

Faulgor wrote: »

Mag DD:
Altmer
Khajiit
Breton
Dunmer

Altmer remain on top by far. Khajiit are still underrated right now, but that will probably change, in terms of damage they should take the 2nd position. Breton is a great choice when going for sustain instead of damage. Dunmer come in last because they are outclassed in damage and sustain by all others.

Stam DD:
Redguard
Khajiit
Dunmer
Bosmer
Orc

Redguard still have the most amazing sustain, but Khajiit are close behind now with buffs for max stam and recovery. Dunmer provide the best flat out damage buff of all stamina races, and should be on par with Khajiit overall. Bosmer only have recovery going for them and are outclassed by Redguards. Orcs are the worst in resources, and are outclassed in recovery by Redguard / Bosmer and in damage by Khajiit / Dunmer.

Tank:
Argonian
Nord
Imperial

Argonians got nerfed, but remain a solid choice. Nords don't have any sustain going for them, but can take the most beatings and provide good group utility with ulti gain. You could chose either depending on your build. Imperials are decent, but not that far ahead of all other races.

Healer:
Argonian
Breton
Dunmer
Altmer

Not much has changed for Argonian healers, the 1000 Magicka might actually turn out to be a buff. Bretons got buffed for this role, too, as did Dunmer due to their increased Spell Damage. Altmer will depend on your class, but they can fill that role without any issue.

In that order. Bosmer, Orc and Imperial seem the worst now. Congratulations to Khajiit and Nords for ascending.

I agree with this I think.

BoloBoffin · January 2019

Turelus wrote: »

Tank: Dunmer
Healer :Dunmer
Mag DD: Dunmer
Stam DD: Dunmer

Dunmer BiS always.

LOL, thank you. I have a family of Dunmer characters that agree.There is so much salt saying otherwise, but the Chimer spirit... I mean, the Dunmer spirit will prevail!

Bigevilpeter · January 2019

Orc
Increases Experience gain in Heavy Armor Skill Line by 15%, extra 10% Inspiration gain → No changes

Brawny: 6% Max Health and Stamina → Increases your Max Health and Stamina by 500.

Unflinching: Healing Received by 5% and 20% Health Recovery → Increases your Healing Received by 4%. When you deal damage with a weapon ability you restore 380 Health and Stamina. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds.

Swift Warrior: 4% Melee attack, 12% Sprint cost reduction and 10% Sprint Speed → Increases your Weapon Damage by 258. Reduces the cost of your Sprint ability by 12% and increases your Movement Speed while Sprinting by 10%.

Really to the people who say Orcs have been nerfed or are not that good now, look at that!!

They along with dunmer are the only races that get a flat 258 weapon damage, they also get max health and max stamina, healing recieved and stamina sustain, they basically get everything, imo they are possible the best stamina race out there now

Katahdin · January 2019

Stam: redguard

Mag: altmer

Tank: nord

FrancisCrawford · January 2019

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Magicka DD: was Altmer and Dunmer now gonna be Just Altmer, not because dunmers are bad but because Altmer completely outclass them.

From 2 race choices for mag specs to 1 obvious choice outclassing any other race. Im sure glad their goal of more diversity proved successful!

/s /s /s

Bretons are now (and still will be) a good choice for mag. Hardy with good sustain (magicka efficiency) has always been their major benefits, but they're actually closer to Altmer if the racial changes goes through, lower starting spell damage but much higher sustain. They currently make good magplars and decent magsorcs -- after U21, they'll be better sorcs.

Altemers still have a Magicka version of adrenline rush, gonnq provide some good sustain plus much more damage, ofc bretons have better sustain but altmers will still outclass them as magicka DDs

Recall that sorcerer pet damage, sorcerer pet heals and sorcerer class shields are NOT affected by spell damage.