Motif "giveaway" during special events. Is it good or bad thing?

Shewolf075 · January 2019

Bad. It decreases the interest in game for both sides

Sometimes too much of a good thing is bad. Having the same motifs drop from the same events does flood the guild stores and folks are still trying to sell motifs from last years events. One solution is to release new motifs during these events and making them rarer, or doesn't even have to be motifs, could be pages similar to what you get from Battlegrounds or release the old motifs such as Skinchanger/Hollowjack as outfit pages. Please, no more of those motifs next year >_< Just throwing out ideas here.

zaria · January 2019

What giveaway? Never heard of

Carbonised wrote: »

ZOS has been showering us with motifs so many times now, that the prices for all motifs have plummeted through the floor, with the few exceptions of the ones that as of yet haven't been given away en masse, which will change eventually for them too.

However, it's not going to change, due to the crown store and ZOS' obsession with monetizing absolutely every aspect of this game. Motifs are a good business for ZOS, since people with motifs will start using the outfit system, which will cost outfit tokens for many to use, as well as outfit slots that ZOS will try and push on them. So it makes sense in a purely money grubbing way, to give people lots of motifs to lure them into spending money on the outfit system.

This is also why we never see them reward for instance furniture recipes in the events. Every time someone finds a furniture recipe, it's potentially a loss of customers for their extremely overpriced crown store furnishings. Only once did they ever reward furnishing plans, that was with Clockwork city more than a year ago, and that has been the only time so far, and most likely we will never see them reward furnishing plans again, while they reward motif drops in like 6-7 events or more every year.

It's a pity that they keep dumping motifs on people when they have already dropped so much in prices that its hardly worth selling them any more, but if you look at it from the store perspective, it's all just about the money for ZOS, as usual.

Furniture recipes dropped during the anniversary event last year. Pretty sure I gotten some in an later event, it might be the witch one.
In short I don't seen they have changed much the last two year except adding furniture recipes to the drop table at some events.

Dropping rare motifs in events result in less motif book sales in crown store, crown store books has an impact on price to.
Has seen this on some sets who show up in crown store and prices go down.

Brrrofski · January 2019

Good. We beggars cant afford to get motifs the regular way

I made 4 million gold last anniversary event so all good in my book.

Urvoth · January 2019

Bad. It decreases the interest in game for both sides

Nearly all motifs are fairly cheap anyways and you can get whichever ones are a bit more expensive (50k+) after a mediocre week of guild sales. Adding the vDLC ones to events just makes them even more worthless as a reward for actually completing the harder content.

FierceSam · January 2019

Good. We beggars cant afford to get motifs the regular way

It's a great idea. It makes motifs more like Paninni stickers where it's a doddle to get some and some are very rare - it's a total win-win

They give away, say, 75%* of a particular motif. This either encourages people to chase down the remaining 25%*, which are only available in-game and thus become more desirable.

Less experienced players get a nice kick start, middling players might be enticed to do more challenging content, while more experienced players find longer, increased value in doing repetitive endgame content. If it encourages experienced players to do an extra week of Fang Lair that is a wholly good thing.

After a while enough of the 25% has been farmed to reduce the prices to affordable levels.

Rinse and repeat (although hopefully with less painfully annoying Event quests)

Respect to all

* clearly made up figures

eso_nya · January 2019

Good. We beggars cant afford to get motifs the regular way

and there u thought u could trick me into not clicking that option. nice try

is there a tl/dr of the question?

EvilAutoTech · January 2019

redlink1979 wrote: »

You should replace "beggars" with "people who want instant gratification".

If I wanted instant gratification, I'd buy it from a trader. I got golds.

With the exception of Dremora, I haven't received any pages from the last 3 events that my crafter didn't already know.

Cpt_Teemo · January 2019

Bad. It decreases the interest in game for both sides

NeroBad wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

bellatrixed wrote: »

Well, ignoring the fact the poll is so biased that you call people who enjoy motif rewards "beggars"...

There's literally no downside. If grinding for rare motifs is your primary source of income you're doing it wrong.

Things are pricey when they're new. Then when they've been around longer, they get cheaper. Then something else comes out that's new.

Then there's the fact that the average person I know who plays ESO is not rich. A lot of people I know consider 100k to be a lot of money. I'm not one of them, but I also don't judge them for not wanting to spend hours grinding gold instead of just doing something fun. What's the harm in making motifs more accessible for the average player?

Average player is not going to "work harder" for something stupidly rare, they're just going to go "Well, guess I'll never have that". If a motif that's been out for a year suddenly drops in price and tons of people can get it, how does that hurt?

You say "pure harm in all aspects", I say making the game more enjoyable for the average player that may fall in a variety of playstyles, not just the "I want things to be rare so I feel special" subset.

Im just gona tell you one downside, which IMO is the worst thing about giving motif "for free".... It screwes over the whole Trading System.

There are ppl in this game who like doing Dungeons, DLC HM ect. and getting Motifs to sell helps them to get Gold, for buing potions ect. By making these Motivs accessable for everyone due to them beeing added into lootboxes, lootboxes which have nothing to do with the Dungeon, just floods the Market.

Just remind yourself about Motif Prices during last years anniversary... Motifs like Mazzatun Pants dropped from ~40k down to ~20k within Days.

Those motifs schould be bound IMO or only tradeable for x Hours, then bound.

Furthermore, the Motifs should dropp according to the Event thats happening. And they need to be Capped on your account, so there's no oveerfarming, and they keep atleast some value)
DLC Event, let only Motifs droppp from that DLC.
ESO Anniversary, only Basegame + Chapters

I'm gonna tell you a secret. Motif trading is not even close to "whole trading system", diversify your income sources or perish.

It was for me the whole trading system during MW, I've made nearly 500m farming BA motifs at the launch of MW but ever since they added them to the store and have them drop in events I stopped farming them at all the prices for them literally dropped dirt cheap now. They turned the most expensive and sought after motif into a common trash tbh.

500m like 500 000 000 Gold? what the actual bad word? If you are/were not a gold seller why would you want to farm so much gold? Just for the gold? - Then wow and I thought collecting gold motif books is strange. So many times the people with more then 100 million are the ones who talk about economy collaps.

yeah 500m I spent literally all of it on patterns motifs and decorations in game along with manor's and houses that costed gold

Tommy_The_Gun · January 2019

Good. We beggars cant afford to get motifs the regular way

Regular way ? As if pay 1M gold for a single page ?
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AndyMac · January 2019

Good. We beggars cant afford to get motifs the regular way

There’s so many motifs in the game now - and most are very helpfully broken into 14 pages - it’s a hell of a time or gold sink for newer players.

Dropping pages in event boxes gives them some chance to catch up.

RogueShark · January 2019

Good. We beggars cant afford to get motifs the regular way

Bias poll is bias.

I farm motifs. I buy motifs. And I am more than okay with getting them during events, or other people getting them during events.

BretonMage · January 2019

Good. We beggars cant afford to get motifs the regular way

You don't get all the motifs during the events unless you're playing practically 24/7. I've participated in a few events and my motif books are all still incomplete. If anything, I think it increases our interest in the motifs because we now have a chance to complete a collection that we may not have been interested in before.

Dojohoda · January 2019

-Other-

It's cool to get them in the boxes if you are new to the game, but for long time players ...

Motifs clog my inventory so my alts use them.

Carbonised · January 2019

Bad. It decreases the interest in game for both sides

AndyMac wrote: »

There’s so many motifs in the game now - and most are very helpfully broken into 14 pages - it’s a hell of a time or gold sink for newer players.

Dropping pages in event boxes gives them some chance to catch up.

Some of us have played for years, and spent 10 x more on motifs than the giveaway prices most of them go for by now.

Do you really think it's fair for someone new to just walk in the door and get all their motifs after a single anniversary event bonanza? How about respecting the investment that many completionist put in who have spent years getting the motif collection?

Ryath_Waylander · January 2019

Good. We beggars cant afford to get motifs the regular way

Carbonised wrote: »

AndyMac wrote: »

There’s so many motifs in the game now - and most are very helpfully broken into 14 pages - it’s a hell of a time or gold sink for newer players.

Dropping pages in event boxes gives them some chance to catch up.

Some of us have played for years, and spent 10 x more on motifs than the giveaway prices most of them go for by now.

Do you really think it's fair for someone new to just walk in the door and get all their motifs after a single anniversary event bonanza? How about respecting the investment that many completionist put in who have spent years getting the motif collection?

Oh puu-leeze what on earth has fair got to do with it? You could afford the game/a system that could run the game/ were born earlier etc, etc so everyone else must be punished. I farm motifs, I buy motifs, I sell motifs. Guess what motivated me to become Grandmaster Crafter? Last year's Jubilee. I don't bleat about motif price drops because I farm and sell more than just motifs and I also don't throw shade on those who are just starting the journey and benefit from a leg up. It's a great idea. I'm happy to give motifs away to guildies if I have extra's and guess what? They're happy and I'm happy I've freed up storage space. BEGGAR'S UNITE!!!

AlnilamE · January 2019

Good. We beggars cant afford to get motifs the regular way

Carbonised wrote: »

AndyMac wrote: »

There’s so many motifs in the game now - and most are very helpfully broken into 14 pages - it’s a hell of a time or gold sink for newer players.

Dropping pages in event boxes gives them some chance to catch up.

Some of us have played for years, and spent 10 x more on motifs than the giveaway prices most of them go for by now.

Do you really think it's fair for someone new to just walk in the door and get all their motifs after a single anniversary event bonanza? How about respecting the investment that many completionist put in who have spent years getting the motif collection?

Remember when the Daedric motif was 30k? That never dropped in an event, never changed rarity and you'd be lucky to sell it for more than 500g now.

Minyassa · January 2019

Good. We beggars cant afford to get motifs the regular way

I love it. It's cosmetic, it's not like it affects endgame play in any way, and it lets me play with appearances sooner rather than later, which is a huge plus. I want to look good while I play, not after I'm done with everything; toon appearance is not a goal for me but rather something I take care of *before* I work on goals. And there are plenty of things in this game to make money on so I really don't care if the price of a cosmetic is ruined for people who want to sell it if it means that people who want to use it can afford it or get hold of it easily. Cosmetics should be thrown around like candy at Mardi Gras!

Knightpanther · January 2019

Good. We beggars cant afford to get motifs the regular way

and folks are still trying to sell motifs from last years events

LMFAO and there you have it, maybe drop your over inflated prices?

Be safe

MasterSpatula · January 2019

Good. We beggars cant afford to get motifs the regular way

It wouldn't be ESO Forum without biased polls with answers insulting to anyone who dares not have the same opinion as the OP.

Getting these pages into the game's economy is closest thing we have to a "catch-up" mechanic for older motifs. Now, better design direction would be to notch up the drop rate of motifs over time so newer players can catch up, but this is a decent backup plan.

Cpt_Teemo · January 2019

Bad. It decreases the interest in game for both sides

AlnilamE wrote: »

Carbonised wrote: »

AndyMac wrote: »

There’s so many motifs in the game now - and most are very helpfully broken into 14 pages - it’s a hell of a time or gold sink for newer players.

Dropping pages in event boxes gives them some chance to catch up.

Some of us have played for years, and spent 10 x more on motifs than the giveaway prices most of them go for by now.

Do you really think it's fair for someone new to just walk in the door and get all their motifs after a single anniversary event bonanza? How about respecting the investment that many completionist put in who have spent years getting the motif collection?

Remember when the Daedric motif was 30k? That never dropped in an event, never changed rarity and you'd be lucky to sell it for more than 500g now.

Actually in the beginning of the game all the motifs were blue then they turned purple for some odd reason, and also the Daedric motif was more like 1-2m at launch but that's cause of the duping though imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSS3GRGE-kw