Free the Warden class!

max_only · January 2019

I figured out why I hate playing my Warden now. Every time there is even a sniff of “warden may possibly be too good” Zos beats it death so they can’t be accused of Pay to Win.

If Warden was base game, like how Morrowind is no longer a chapter, then they wouldn’t be so precious about it.

Hey I preordered the “chapter” and the class on day 1 announcement (on top of my subscription as shady as it was at the time) so it’s not like I have anything to gain from them making it a part of the base game. In fact I’ve been “losing” on that purchase ever since.

What I will gain though, is the fun of my class back.

Artic Blast - was unique and fun pbAOE, no complaints. They changed it to a slow non-damaging stun on one enemy that needs a target to even cast. Over a year later and they change it back.
Bear (Double bar ultimate) - 30% damage reduction unnecessary and didn’t improve magWarden dps despite their doublethink “logic” (they tried to convince us 30% less damage on a double bar ultimate would be good for our dps)
Deceptive Predator - pretty much completely useless now, and Bird of Prey is too short. Didn’t think it could get more useless and I was wrong.

And those are just the most recent nerfs from Murkmire. They’ve nerfed it every time since then

And there’s more from Elsweyr, further reinforcing the need to just include it already.

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

1. Scorch: This ability and its morphs can now be blocked.
2. Corrupting Pollen: This ability no longer applies Major Defile to enemies for 4 seconds inside (which allowed it to bypass the 6 player target cap). Instead, up to 6 enemies inside will be properly afflicted with Major Defile, which will cease once the ability ends or they leave the radius.
3. Sleet Storm: Reduced the potency of the snare from this ability and its morphs to 40% from 70%.
4. Falcon’s Swiftness: This ability no longer grants Major Endurance.

Rylisin · January 2019

Warden main here, If it was added to base-game the hope would be maybe they wouldn't continuously gut it so much. But then I look at Sorcs and realize we'd probably still get the same treatment.

But agreed, it should just be moved to base game already. I preordered Morrowind too and love the class, and i really think keeping it in the crown-store is a silly move now. Make it base-game, then people can't scream "Pay to win" when they maybe do balances that are in the classes favor for once.

validifyedneb18_ESO · January 2019

See I know a guy that thinks warden is so solid because its the ONLY bought class.

Id have no problem with it going free, and I think when people see a class locked behind a paywall it creates a really bad first impression for the game.

I too miss artic blast, the worst thing about it was that I feel like ZOS changed it because they just needed any ability to change to a stun, because we "needed" one. I didnt need one. I needed my Arctic Blast. I miss my arctic blast. Hold me ;,(

I do like the 30% DR on the winter ult, I do kinda need it on my PVP build, but I also fully see why its a bad idea, some tanky 1-shot builds reaaaallly dont need that extra DR but maybe thats a problem with the class balance as a whole.

max_only · January 2019

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

See I know a guy that thinks warden is so solid because its the ONLY bought class.

Id have no problem with it going free, and I think when people see a class locked behind a paywall it creates a really bad first impression for the game.

I too miss artic blast, the worst thing about it was that I feel like ZOS changed it because they just needed any ability to change to a stun, because we "needed" one. I didnt need one. I needed my Arctic Blast. I miss my arctic blast. Hold me ;,(

I do like the 30% DR on the winter ult, I do kinda need it on my PVP build, but I also fully see why its a bad idea, some tanky 1-shot builds reaaaallly dont need that extra DR but maybe thats a problem with the class balance as a whole.

It wasn’t a 30% reduction on the winter ult, it was on the bear. They made the bear 30% weaker because reasons. I updated op

Starlight_Knight · January 2019

I have no problem with it being free.. it has suffered sooo many nerfs since it came out.
The worst nerf was the speeding up of cliff racer - it looks stupid - nobody asked for it, it wasn't over performing being slower.

Like how fallout 76 is getting in trouble for this bait and switch technique they used with the canvas bag, The warden class was like that, they striped away all its identity within the first 6 months, "bait and switch"
I always was suspect about that un-dodgable cliff racer became dodgable after its release. "bait and switch" again.

Yes make the class free and treat it equally.

validifyedneb18_ESO · January 2019

max_only wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

See I know a guy that thinks warden is so solid because its the ONLY bought class.

Id have no problem with it going free, and I think when people see a class locked behind a paywall it creates a really bad first impression for the game.

I too miss artic blast, the worst thing about it was that I feel like ZOS changed it because they just needed any ability to change to a stun, because we "needed" one. I didnt need one. I needed my Arctic Blast. I miss my arctic blast. Hold me ;,(

I do like the 30% DR on the winter ult, I do kinda need it on my PVP build, but I also fully see why its a bad idea, some tanky 1-shot builds reaaaallly dont need that extra DR but maybe thats a problem with the class balance as a whole.

It wasn’t a 30% reduction on the winter ult, it was on the bear. They made the bear 30% weaker because reasons. I updated op

Oh, as somone that doesnt play anything other than Northernstorm, I have no idea about that :P

validifyedneb18_ESO · January 2019

The real issue is you're asking for something that while in the long run may get ESO a better rep, will on paper simply remove a possible microtransaction that ZOS likely get regular sales on.

And if there is one thing ive really noticed about ZOS, is that they will trade short term gain for a long term loss in reputation and happiness of player-base any day.

max_only · January 2019

Ryzakier wrote: »

Warden main here, If it was added to base-game the hope would be maybe they wouldn't continuously gut it so much. But then I look at Sorcs and realize we'd probably still get the same treatment.

But agreed, it should just be moved to base game already. I preordered Morrowind too and love the class, and i really think keeping it in the crown-store is a silly move now. Make it base-game, then people can't scream "Pay to win" when they maybe do balances that are in the classes favor for once.

Nothing wrong with Sorcerers, they just have the loudest players.

max_only · January 2019

Starlight_Knight wrote: »

I have no problem with it being free.. it has suffered sooo many nerfs since it came out.
The worst nerf was the speeding up of cliff racer - it looks stupid - nobody asked for it, it wasn't over performing being slower.

Like how fallout 76 is getting in trouble for this bait and switch technique they used with the canvas bag, The warden class was like that, they striped away all its identity within the first 6 months, "bait and switch"
I always was suspect about that un-dodgable cliff racer became dodgable after its release. "bait and switch" again.

Yes make the class free and treat it equally.

I’ve been leveling a Sorc through these events and I think there are 3 undodgeable skills so it really makes me wonder.

We paid to get treated worse than free classes.

ZarkingFrued · January 2019

Warden should definitely be base game, all classes should. Just not cool to lock a class behind a paywall, and causes obvious issues.

Scallan · January 2019

Give Warden more frost DPS to work with.

Arctic blast rework and more frost sets would be welcome! ESO having 19 fire sets, 9 shock sets, and only 4 ice sets is absolutely criminal in my opinion.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

Scallan wrote: »

Give Warden more frost DPS to work with.

Arctic blast rework and more frost sets would be welcome! ESO having 19 fire sets, 9 shock sets, and only 4 ice sets is absolutely criminal in my opinion.

I even said that 4 sets is stretching it. Ice furnace just needs ice damage to proc.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

@max_only i have spoken to a couple of class representatives about ALL of these issues. They know and passed on this feedback to ZOS. We have also been pushing the Arctic Wind Master Plan to fix this sorry skill.

If you wanted to know a specific class rep. I notified Masel.

If anyone is concerned about Ice in anyway id really recommend checking out the Unofficial ESO Frost Discord. Likewise if you want to talk, make builds with a like-minded community or whatever. Its link is in my signature just below.

ankeor · January 2019

Free Imperial race!

max_only · January 2019

Here we go, now that Necromancer will be the new class hopefully warden will be rolled into base game and given a fair treatment in pve.

Looking at that bear nerf. 😒

VonSwaego · January 2019

I was really hoping I could make an ice mage when warden came out. Which I did. And.... yeah, no reason to explain this.

MLGProPlayer · January 2019

max_only wrote: »

Here we go, now that Necromancer will be the new class hopefully warden will be rolled into base game and given a fair treatment in pve.

Looking at that bear nerf. 😒

ZOS doesn't care about this class. Don't get your hopes up.

max_only · May 2019

When is Warden going to be rolled into base game? We need fair play.

LeHarrt91 · May 2019

Wanna update OP to reflect Elsewyr changes? and i agree.

But also since a new OPer class is out they should get a buff. As they are not the new shiny toy.

max_only · May 2019

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

Wanna update OP to reflect Elsewyr changes? and i agree.

I will, please summarize and I will add it

LeHarrt91 · May 2019

1. Scorch: This ability and its morphs can now be blocked.
2. Corrupting Pollen: This ability no longer applies Major Defile to enemies for 4 seconds inside (which allowed it to bypass the 6 player target cap). Instead, up to 6 enemies inside will be properly afflicted with Major Defile, which will cease once the ability ends or they leave the radius.
3. Sleet Storm: Reduced the potency of the snare from this ability and its morphs to 40% from 70%.
4. Falcon’s Swiftness: This ability no longer grants Major Endurance.

Tho, we got slight improvements elsewhere.

Ysbriel · May 2019

Yet another Warden post that will continue to be ignored by ZOS. The problem is that they only focus in the top 5% end gamers that are able to pull enormous amounts of DPS with the Magden and screw everyone else. And there’s also the PvP people complaining all the time because on PvP it is good.

max_only · May 2019

Ysbriel wrote: »

Yet another Warden post that will continue to be ignored by ZOS. The problem is that they only focus in the top 5% end gamers that are able to pull enormous amounts of DPS with the Magden and screw everyone else. And there’s also the PvP people complaining all the time because on PvP it is good.

It’s fine. If they want to keep beating it at least roll it into base game. No point in paying extra for masochism.

Ohtimbar · May 2019

Buff the bear. I don't grok the byzantine logic behind that nerf.

Casul · May 2019

God I wish I could get some buffs every once in a while without giving up 7 things as collateral.

zTrok · May 2019

Well, with Elsweyr, they went and put Magblade on par with Magden dps wise. So I would say our best bet is to wait for ZoS to nerf everything else to the point that Magden is top tier.

LeHarrt91 · May 2019

zTrok wrote: »

Well, with Elsweyr, they went and put Magblade on par with Magden dps wise. So I would say our best bet is to wait for ZoS to nerf everything else to the point that Magden is top tier.

Honestly wouldnt be surprised if they did.

KillsAllElves · May 2019

Trash the bear and replace it with a frost atronach that deals big aoe damage

Replace the birds with ice balls

Buff ice damage, ice staff and ice damage sets

Replace the netch with an ice wraith.

MentalxHammer · May 2019

Warden is arguably the strongest class for group play and battlegrounds.

LeHarrt91 · May 2019

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Warden is arguably the strongest class for group play and battlegrounds.

Yes, while that is correct. Not everyone wants to play in a group or play PVP. What Warden needs is solo and pve improvements.

bearbelly · May 2019

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Warden is arguably the strongest class for group play and battlegrounds.

Tank?

I'm finally thinking of getting into group play (I'm primarily solo), but I need to respec my main in order to be viable.
Frakkin' mudcrabs pose a danger to her at the moment.