Tasear wrote: »

I am not personally convinced. It would diminish rewards from trials and arenas.

See, I disagree that it would “diminish” the rewards. In fact the idea almost causes me to burst out into laughter that we treat vMA weapons as though they are the Holy Grail of Elder Scrolls Online.

Frankly, I do not believe vital combat enhancing items should be exclusively locked behind difficult content and given as "rewards"/trophies to players who have already proven they can complete the content without these weapons. Doesn't that create a even larger gap between players, not close the gap between those two groups? The very concept is idiotic to me from that perspective as it stands from a company. I understand why vet trial guy wants there to be that gap between players like himself and the "filthy casuals". They want to feel like “I am better than you”. I get it. I think it’s silly that you somehow manage to value yourself based off of accomplishments made in a video game but whatever, you do you I guess. However I do not understand from a Zo$ perspective why the desire keep vMA/Master Weapons out of the hands of the common player is fought so hard. Especially considering in recent times they have almost agreed with my point of view and offered the same weapons to normal and veteran players, just giving veteran players better items.

Now don’t get my words twisted. I have no problem with the idea that players should be given better rewards for vet trials/dungeons such as as skins, costumes, titles, and other things being given as rewards for completing difficult content. In fact I would even suggest that developers should include things such as mounts and other items that the player base seems to enjoy more than titles in which (in most people’s cases) are not seen anyways. Vet players should be rewarded for completing difficult content and should be given trophies. I completely agree with that train of thought.

However I find it odd that the game developers created a set of weapons in the game as powerful as such as vMA weapons that enhance your DPS performance SO MUCH so that three years later, the weapons are included in almost every single DPS build released today by top end streamers. Then the developers placed these weapons behind what is still (though not nearly as difficult today as it was when it was released three years ago) the single most challenging single player content in the game. Like, did it ever cross the developer's mind that maybe those weapons could HELP more people clear vMA? Imagine how many more people could have defeated/enjoyed malestrom when OrcLand came out if they could have crafted "imperfect vMA" daggers? (which were THE required item at the time for stamina users)

As I stated earlier, the company has almost come out and agreed with what I am saying. I have no problem with the current game's vision of making vet armor/weapons "perfect" and “imperfect”, giving the item sets more enhanced stats. Again, vet players should be reward for completing harder content. However there is a VAST difference between giving a "perfect" armor set/weapon 2k extra stam/magic and not allowing players who cannot defeat the most difficult content in the game access to the weapons/armor at all.

So yeah, I do not think if they made 2 piece weapon sets in the future craftable, the idea would be the worst idea ever, just as long as you cannot craft the “perfect” versions. (Which I do not believe anyone is saying). You could still have “perfect” weapons droppable but by giving crafting options to players who are unable to defeat the content just yet, you open the door for more players to grow inside the community.

I respect you have an opinion and you are just as entitled to your opinion as I am to my own opinion. We will just have to disagree I guess.

Weapons can already serve as a 2-piece set. My lowbie toons always wear a 5/5/2 with "2" being the weapon. Are you wanting something a bit more powerful than the standard numbers that are currently on armor?

What do you have in mind?

DocFrost72 wrote: »

I specifically love all the posts insinuating those that want craftable two (or three) piece sets are unable to get the other weapons. It's almost as if people cannot conceive of someone being good and also having an opinion that crafting should have value.

Unless I misinterpreted the OP, they don't want to craft arena weapons, they want all new sets. Not to mention the ease of getting some of the weapons already...

Got twelve potatoes? Go get asylum weaps.

Got four moderately decent potatoes? Go get brp weaps.

Here's a controversial opinion: I would not mind 2 or 3 piece craftable sets and I'm a flawless conquerer, boethia's scythe.

Mindboggling isn't it? "They like to craft and want to bring some value back to crafting so they must not be good enough to do other content". Gtfoh with that. So many inflated egos it's disgusting.

Its funny that I ran across this post because I just typed this for a future dlc idea. I was going to make this it's own thread, but I'll start it here first to see what you all think. See my description below:

One of the areas of the game that hasn't been directly impacted by DLCs is crafting. I say directly because a lot of DLCs offer new equipment, but there hasn't been a DLC that has been created with crafting at the center.  When you think about the time it takes to learn all traits, obtain motifs, and the skill points needed as a Master Crafter, the rewards for these investments are underwhelming. But what if ESO created a DLC around crafting to make the juice worth the squeeze?

The DLC idea would be to create a storyline around a Master Forge.  The storyline can be whatever the devs think will work best for the game, but at the completion of the story, the reward would be that players can access and use the forge. So what would the forge bring to the table? Unique and customizable gear.

The forge would allow players to create their own weapon, jewelry, or "monster" (head/shoulder) sets.  Not only do players get to create the sets, but the also get to name the sets too!

Here's how I would see it working. Weapons and "monster" sets would give a 1/2 piece bonus and jewelry sets would give a 2/3 piece bonus. Players would have the option of taking any current stat found on a 1 piece weapon or monster set and a 2 piece stat currently found jewelry sets. Eso would develop a handful of other 2 (weapon and monster) and 3 piece (jewelry) stats that players can pick.

In order to create the pieces, players would have to gather materials found throughout tamrial (this is an MMO, so you'll have to farm).  Current crafting materials can be used for some of the gear; however, critical pieces can only be found from the following:

The critical weapon piece(s) has a chance to drop from final boss in any arena (maelstrom, dragon star, black rose)
The critical monster piece(s) has a chance to drop from final boss in any dungeon
The critical jewelry piece(s) has a chance to drop from the final boss in any trial or leaderboard rewards in PVP or BGs.

I use "piece(s)" because I believe that it should be more that one piece per item, but I'll let the devs make that decision.

Like the newer gear, there would be a normal drop from completing normal corresponding content and perfect drop from completing veteran content. For the PVP jewelry drops, normal vs perfect would depend on the PVP ranking.

This would allow players to customize their characters even more. Since these pieces are random drops from end game content, the items players can create should rival any current end game weapon, monster, or jewelry set in the game.

I'm not sure if ESO can do this, but what would make this over the top awesome is if the player could also design the look of the weapon / monster set. I haven't completely thought through the monster set idea yet, but I think I could be similar to my thought for the weapons. In my opinion, there's three main elements to a weapon's look:

1. Overall design (straight vs curved blade)
2. The size (length and width)
3. Handle

The design/handles players would have the options to pick from would be based off of the motifs they know. I think it would be AWESOME if we were allowed to mix/match different designs with different handles and adjust the length/width to make our own weapon look. If ESO wanted to increase sales of weapon packs in the crown store (ZOS, I'm giving you a way to make more money), they could also allow us to apply the special affect to the weapons (fire, frost, poison, etc.) Again, you would have to own that weapon pack to use it on a created weapon.

Personally, I would love a storyline geared around crafting and I think it would give me constant motivation to continue to run end game content.  It may even break up the single "META" for each class. And like I said, I'm not sure if the devs would be able to program the game to allow us to design our look based on current weapon/monster designs, but if they could, it would give the DLC a serious WOW factor.

Thoughts?

I also support craftable(and dropped) 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 and 12 piece sets though....you should be able to equip whatever piece set you have slots for...the power of said set should scale off of the required number of pieces...with 12-piece bonuses being the most powerful...but requiring 12 pieces so you have to sacrifice other potential set bonuses...also 12 pieces would make farming a full set a more time-intensive. This would allow you to choose 2 different paths...one based off a powerful 12 piece bonus...or weaker set bonuses that would allow you to customize base stats more to your liking...options, its all about options for me...the more options, the better.

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

If specific reward loot is required to entice players to run certain content, I would not defend that situation; rather, I would ask what is wrong with the content in question that requires loot enticements?

I can only speak for myself but if I enjoy a dungeon I run it every time it comes up as a pledge though there is no loot I need from it. On the other hand, if I do not enjoy a dungeon, I don't run it again - regardless of whatever loot enticement there may be.

I too love dungeons and all of the content. Butit would be nice to have an additional reward or purpose for running something.

BuildMan wrote: »

...and to reward casual players with unique gear that would otherwise be unavailable to them.

That wouldn't happen. I'm sorry.

Nine trait crafting is not available to casual players. They could get this stuff from someone, but it wouldn't be, "available," to them. If the sets were useful, the demand would keep costs high (crafting 160 gear is not cheap, and 9 trait crafting takes a huge time investment, keeping the supply somewhat limited.)

It would, however, further disrupt sub-50 PvP, where veteran players would have an even more significant advantage over legitimate newbies.

Setting it at a low trait requirement (3 or 4), would open it up to newer players, but leave everyone with questions about why you're researching to 9 if everything you care about is at 6 or lower.

The way I see it is, if your only doing dungeons for a reward then the dungeon must not be that fun to do in the first place. I get it though, the tough stuff has great rewards but personally im not big into the high end pve and would like another way to get the weapons lol. But for those that find dungeons fun they would probably feel screwed by this, especially if they worked extremely hard to get it and all of a sudden you could just craft it (I would be honestly). So it would have to be fair in terms of effort put forth. If you could craft the gear they should be a pain in the ass to craft, so anyway you look at it there is work to be done. Kind of a pick your poison. But yes make another way to obtain these weps or unbound them so those that put in the work can get paid for their efforts if they choose to sell the item.

I'd be fine with some being unique to crafting. I'd be fine with some being unique to PVP, leaderboard rewards or otherwise. I'm fine with some coming from trial content, even vMA.

I enjoy all the content ESO has to offer, and wish that more content could be more rewarding for those who put in the effort.

Support, support, support!

BuildMan wrote: »

BoneShatterer wrote: »

BuildMan wrote: »

NONE THAT CURRENTLY EXIST

I am proposing the idea of implementing craftable weapon sets.

These 2-Piece sets would function similarly to the current ones, but would be made more accessible to the general player base. This would not allow the crafting of any maelstrom, masters, vAS, or Blackrose weapons. These sets would be to promote diversity in builds, encourage crafters to have a bigger presence in gameplay, and to reward casual players with unique gear that would otherwise be unavailable to them.

Below I have 3 poll options, please feel free to participate and leave some dialogue if you feel inclined to do so.

just because i love to read babies cry. but doing pledges is so hard!!!!!!

Pledges were never mentioned, please try to stay on topic. This discussion is only in reference to weapon sets such as maelstrom or masters.

then farm MA or master ? problem solved.

Only if they augment a skill slightly, and lets start with utility skills like "using a skill that grants major expedition also removes snares"