Craftable 2-Piece Weapon Sets

Casul · December 2018

NONE THAT CURRENTLY EXIST

I am proposing the idea of implementing craftable weapon sets.

These 2-Piece sets would function similarly to the current ones, but would be made more accessible to the general player base. This would not allow the crafting of any maelstrom, masters, vAS, or Blackrose weapons. These sets would be to promote diversity in builds, encourage crafters to have a bigger presence in gameplay, and to reward casual players with unique gear that would otherwise be unavailable to them.

Below I have 3 poll options, please feel free to participate and leave some dialogue if you feel inclined to do so.

TheShadowScout · December 2018

I do not support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

There is a reason "craftable 2-piece sets" don't exist. They are -supposed- to have to be earned through dungeon runs!! Just like undaunted skills are supposed to have to be earned in different ways then fighters guild skills or alliance war skills - that is the point, to get everything, you should have to do everything, instead of just be able to craft for it!

Now, that being said... the current system is a tad iffy, and perhaps could use some improvements... I often wish we would have general "monster trophy" drops instead of random helmets from bosses and shoulders in chests... just bring a couple of those "mosnter trophy" drop items to the undaunted master armorer, and exchange them there for the helmet/shoulder of your choosen weight... which would cut down in the grind a bit, and make those things way more accessible, especially since then they could regulate accessibility by the number of monster trophy pieces you need for a hemlet/shoulder, and give out one for every participient -guranteed- which would make it easier then waiting for "your" desired thingie to drop...
...but that is a different line of thought I guess.

Casul · December 2018

I support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

There is a reason "craftable 2-piece sets" don't exist. They are -supposed- to have to be earned through dungeon runs!! Just like undaunted skills are supposed to have to be earned in different ways then fighters guild skills or alliance war skills - that is the point, to get everything, you should have to do everything, instead of just be able to craft for it!

Now, that being said... the current system is a tad iffy, and perhaps could use some improvements... I often wish we would have general "monster trophy" drops instead of random helmets from bosses and shoulders in chests... just bring a couple of those "mosnter trophy" drop items to the undaunted master armorer, and exchange them there for the helmet/shoulder of your choosen weight... which would cut down in the grind a bit, and make those things way more accessible, especially since then they could regulate accessibility by the number of monster trophy pieces you need for a hemlet/shoulder, and give out one for every participient -guranteed- which would make it easier then waiting for "your" desired thingie to drop...
...but that is a different line of thought I guess.

@TheShadowScout

Very interesting perception, I can definitely agree to the concept of earning something. I just feel that the current system is catering a bit to a specific audience. Not everyone wants to run dungeons, just as not everyone wants to play PvP. I just feel having another way to obtain unique 2-Piece sets would be a benefit for everyone, not just a specific portion of the player base.

With that being said I will present this rebuttal. What negatives can you see from my proposition? Outside of the concept of earning them, I see no way this would negatively impact the game.

Edit: Also I encourage anyone who wants to join in the discussion to feel free!

El_Borracho · December 2018

I do not support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

Why would anyone run vet COS if they could just craft a Velidreth helmet? Or any of the DLC dungeons, like Scalecaller? Zaan is the meta for a lot of magic builds, and its connected to one of the harder DLC dungeons. So I can just build it instead of completing it. Why do this? The gist of PVE is overcoming the challenge and getting a reward for it. Plus, the reward is something that is designed to be used in end-game PVE content (and PVP, I know). Isn't doing the harder dungeon content supposed to prepare a player for end-game trials?

I like @TheShadowScout suggestion. Does remove some grind while forcing a player to complete the content.

The only thing I could see becoming craftable would be overland sets, and only after you complete the storyline for each respective set. And even there, I'm still a little iffy.

Salvas_Aren · December 2018

I share a different opinion then the two listed.

I do not see the purpose of these.

Those who cannot use arena weapons run 5+5+2 via the monster sets on both bars.

I'm not opposed to the idea per se but you need to further convince me and maybe revert your demand concerning the number of pieces. Three piece sets maybe interesting as well.

Casul · December 2018

I support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

@El_Borracho
Perhaps there has been a miscommunication. This discussion is not about monster sets. This discussion is about 2-Piece weapon sets such as maelstrom, masters, or black rose.

I don’t believe I indicated anything about crafting monster sets in the original post. If you can point out where you may have interpreted that I will change it.

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

I do not see the purpose of these.

Those who cannot use arena weapons run 5+5+2 via the monster sets on both bars.

I'm not opposed to the idea per se but you need to further convince me and maybe revert your demand concerning the number of pieces. Three piece sets maybe interesting as well.

@Salvas_Aren

Could you elaborate on what you mean by my demand concerning the number of pieces?

I mainly just wanted craftable weapon sets because I believe it would promote variety in builds. Also I totally agree we need more 3 piece sets.

I personally use infused agility jewelry on my current build, I would like more options to be honest.

Salvas_Aren · December 2018

I share a different opinion then the two listed.

As you said, craftable 2 piece sets would increase the number of builds.

However, I doubt that all players would sacrifice the monster set or run willpower, agility or 3 pieces of trial jewelry.

Craftable 3 piece sets would compliment craftable and arena 2 piece sets. Just an idea.

Mr_Walker · December 2018

Fine idea op.

Tasear · December 2018

I do not support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

I am not personally convinced. It would diminish rewards from trials and arenas.

Dagoth_Rac · December 2018

I support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

Tasear wrote: »

I am not personally convinced. It would diminish rewards from trials and arenas.

Does the ability to craft Julianos diminish the reward of Siroria? Does the ability to craft Hundings diminish the reward of Relequen? If not, I don't see why craftable weapon sets would diminish Master/Maelstrom/Asylum/Blackrose weapons.

geonsocal · December 2018

I share a different opinion then the two listed.

I very much would like the opportunity to craft arena and trial weapons

Sylvermynx · December 2018

I support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

I would like it. Due to massive (2000 ms) lag, I will never be able to get the major weapons - I'm not ever asking ANYONE to deal with that sort of lag in group content.

I'd love the ability to craft weapons that "do in a pinch".

BoneShatterer · December 2018

I do not support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

BuildMan wrote: »

NONE THAT CURRENTLY EXIST

I am proposing the idea of implementing craftable weapon sets.

These 2-Piece sets would function similarly to the current ones, but would be made more accessible to the general player base. This would not allow the crafting of any maelstrom, masters, vAS, or Blackrose weapons. These sets would be to promote diversity in builds, encourage crafters to have a bigger presence in gameplay, and to reward casual players with unique gear that would otherwise be unavailable to them.

Below I have 3 poll options, please feel free to participate and leave some dialogue if you feel inclined to do so.

just because i love to read babies cry. but doing pledges is so hard!!!!!!

Mr_Walker · December 2018

Sylvermynx wrote: »

I would like it. Due to massive (2000 ms) lag, I will never be able to get the major weapons - I'm not ever asking ANYONE to deal with that sort of lag in group content.

I'd love the ability to craft weapons that "do in a pinch".

Sadly, as a fellow battler with lag, not only will most elitist nitwits not understand the problem, they'll also consider it right and proper you be locked away from it, because "muh acheevmunts".

leeux · December 2018

I support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

Why would anyone be against more build options?

Sylvermynx · December 2018

I support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

I would like it. Due to massive (2000 ms) lag, I will never be able to get the major weapons - I'm not ever asking ANYONE to deal with that sort of lag in group content.

I'd love the ability to craft weapons that "do in a pinch".

Sadly, as a fellow battler with lag, not only will most elitist nitwits not understand the problem, they'll also consider it right and proper you be locked away from it, because "muh acheevmunts".

Perhaps. I do tend to give people who've never experienced satellite as their only connection the benefit of the doubt. I'm 40 miles from "real broadband". But.... I don't want to live there....

So.... it is what it is. I love the game, I have a lot of fun, I won't ever do group content. *shrug* First world issues.... for the loss.

Iluvrien · December 2018

I support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

Crafting used to have primacy/equality with dropped gear. Until complaints like the one below were factored in and crafting got nerfed.

Tasear wrote: »

I am not personally convinced. It would diminish rewards from trials and arenas.

Until ZOS stop deifying endgame this situation will not change. They won’t. Therefore we will not see a system like this introduced.

Sylvermynx · December 2018

I support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

Iluvrien wrote: »

Crafting used to have primacy/equality with dropped gear. Until complaints like the one below were factored in and crafting got nerfed.

Tasear wrote: »

I am not personally convinced. It would diminish rewards from trials and arenas.

Until ZOS stop deifying endgame this situation will not change. They won’t. Therefore we will not see a system like this introduced.

Endgame. I don't have any use for it personally. I will get my first girl to 50 either during New Life or shortly thereafter. For her, endgame will be going back to try to get through the quest lines that she couldn't ever do due to 2000 ms lag. I LOVE questing - but the way this game is set up, questing means I never get anything, since with my lag, I can't handle the mini boss parts of the quest lines. And that's where you get XP..... and rewards....

Serious bummer. Questing is my favorite part of TES games, and I fully expected it to be the same in ESO.

Sucks.

idk · December 2018

I share a different opinion then the two listed.

I do not think it really matters.

First, I think it is very unlikely that Zos will add craftable skill enhancing weapons which is what OP is asking for. That is what all 2pc weapon sets currently are.

Second, and why it really does not matter, I do not think any solid PvE and few PvP builds include these types of weapon sets on the front bar. They are all currently back bar and on the front bar we have 2 pc monster sets with 2 5pc sets.

Since if Zos will not add skill enhancing weapons that are craftable and monster sets outperform the ones that are obtainable via in game drops then these weapons would not add much if any value for anyone.

It would not make sense to give up a higher performing monster set or two drop two set bonuses to gain only one in return.

EDIT:

Besides, if Zos did add them they would have to be noticeably weaker that what drops in game. Otherwise it would diminish the rewards from the premier content in game. Asylum weapons are easily obtainable as they drop in nAS which is extremely easy. vDSA is the least challenging of the vet content where skill changing weapons drop. I expect a great many players could clear it if they put effort, with a group, to figure it out.

Facefister · December 2018

I hate the vMA bow. Yes I use it, and yes I've deconned atleast 20 of them.

Iluvrien · December 2018

I support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

idk wrote: »

Besides, if Zos did add them they would have to be noticeably weaker that what drops in game. Otherwise it would diminish the rewards from the premier content in game. Asylum weapons are easily obtainable as they drop in nAS which is extremely easy. vDSA is the least challenging of the vet content where skill changing weapons drop. I expect a great many players could clear it if they put effort, with a group, to figure it out.

Emphasis mine.

I really hope you meant to write "endgame" here. The idea that trial/veteran content is in any way the most important is utterly abhorrent to me... and that is said as someone who really enjoy his time undertaking similar activities with his kin in LotRO, and with unaligned groups of friends back in the MUD era.

Sevn · December 2018

I support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

leeux wrote: »

Why would anyone be against more build options?

It seems to read like those who oppose already have what they want/need and don't want others to be on par without running content that others simply are not interested in. It also seems like they want their endgame to be everyone else's endgame.

Anything that adds diversity I'm all for. Can't understand why running the same few dungeons over and over is more desirable than crafting what you want so you can spend your game time doing what you want. You have 4 hours to play and you'd rather run generic dungeon #16 vs spending that 4 hours playing the content you enjoy.

How thrilling.

Facefister · December 2018

leeux wrote: »

Why would anyone be against more build options?

Because some people got their desired vMA item after 377 runs and they want that this items stays the best item. They tend to forget that "being able to use every set-piece effectively" is what makes ESO so successful. They want the WoW thing, where every half a year your equipment becomes trash and you have to farm and build it anew.

The "normal" and "perfected" disparity was also a big mistake and I sincerely hope that ZoS doesn't keep repeating it.

Casul · December 2018

I support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

BoneShatterer wrote: »

BuildMan wrote: »

NONE THAT CURRENTLY EXIST

I am proposing the idea of implementing craftable weapon sets.

These 2-Piece sets would function similarly to the current ones, but would be made more accessible to the general player base. This would not allow the crafting of any maelstrom, masters, vAS, or Blackrose weapons. These sets would be to promote diversity in builds, encourage crafters to have a bigger presence in gameplay, and to reward casual players with unique gear that would otherwise be unavailable to them.

Below I have 3 poll options, please feel free to participate and leave some dialogue if you feel inclined to do so.

just because i love to read babies cry. but doing pledges is so hard!!!!!!

Pledges were never mentioned, please try to stay on topic. This discussion is only in reference to weapon sets such as maelstrom or masters.

JaZ2091 · December 2018

I do not support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

Stop with this participation trophy crap. If you want End game Vet Rewards, work for it. Gather data about your class, strong sets, rotation, CP allotment and skills. Progress thru challenging content slowly starting off with lower end Vet dungeons. Look up guides regarding the content you want to do, join a guild and ask others for their insight. Make acquaintances and look for others who are trying to do similar activites. Put yourself out there and invest in your character if you want these rewards. Stop moping around asking for ZOS to implement alternatives.

Tirps · December 2018

Not gonna say yes or no but something that would affect class skills could potentially work, but you would have to add few sets at once.

Sennecca · December 2018

I support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

I would like it. Due to massive (2000 ms) lag, I will never be able to get the major weapons - I'm not ever asking ANYONE to deal with that sort of lag in group content.

I'd love the ability to craft weapons that "do in a pinch".

I support the idea of some sort of 2 piece set for those who do deal with lag. They could be Craft-able or obtainable through another means that does not require end game content.

Yes, there should be an achievement, a set that is only obtainable by playing at a certain level. However, it is impossible for those who have lag and game freezes slow computers or systems to be able to complete all end game content. Some people experience freezing and disconnects in easy dungeons. How would their connection and computer handle some end game dungeons or trials? All of those that say that people should learn to play should move to a rural location with spotty connection and then say that. There are reasons people can not complete end game content that is not the fault of the player.
Another 2 piece set that could encourage different builds would add some variety.

Lord_Eomer · December 2018

I support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

BuildMan wrote: »

NONE THAT CURRENTLY EXIST

I am proposing the idea of implementing craftable weapon sets.

These 2-Piece sets would function similarly to the current ones, but would be made more accessible to the general player base. This would not allow the crafting of any maelstrom, masters, vAS, or Blackrose weapons. These sets would be to promote diversity in builds, encourage crafters to have a bigger presence in gameplay, and to reward casual players with unique gear that would otherwise be unavailable to them.

Below I have 3 poll options, please feel free to participate and leave some dialogue if you feel inclined to do so.

Your idea is great but too much Salt on forum and more players with negative feedback only!

DocFrost72 · December 2018

I support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

I specifically love all the posts insinuating those that want craftable two (or three) piece sets are unable to get the other weapons. It's almost as if people cannot conceive of someone being good and also having an opinion that crafting should have value.

Unless I misinterpreted the OP, they don't want to craft arena weapons, they want all new sets. Not to mention the ease of getting some of the weapons already...

Got twelve potatoes? Go get asylum weaps.

Got four moderately decent potatoes? Go get brp weaps.

Here's a controversial opinion: I would not mind 2 or 3 piece craftable sets and I'm a flawless conquerer, boethia's scythe.

Casul · December 2018

I support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

I specifically love all the posts insinuating those that want craftable two (or three) piece sets are unable to get the other weapons. It's almost as if people cannot conceive of someone being good and also having an opinion that crafting should have value.

Unless I misinterpreted the OP, they don't want to craft arena weapons, they want all new sets. Not to mention the ease of getting some of the weapons already...

Got twelve potatoes? Go get asylum weaps.

Got four moderately decent potatoes? Go get brp weaps.

Here's a controversial opinion: I would not mind 2 or 3 piece craftable sets and I'm a flawless conquerer, boethia's scythe.

You understood my original point perfectly. I want craftable 2-Piece weapon sets that do not currently exist to be added into the game.

For all the people who keep posting without understanding the discussion.

This is about brand new, craftable weapon sets.

This is not about
Craftable monster sets
Craftable maelstrom weapons
Craftable master weapons
Craftable vAS weapons
Craftable Blackrose weapons

TheShadowScout · December 2018

I do not support the idea of craftable 2-Piece weapon sets.

BuildMan wrote: »

Perhaps there has been a miscommunication. This discussion is not about monster sets. This discussion is about 2-Piece weapon sets...

Ah. I see.

Still, makes no differance, my point still stands as said.
There is a reason those sets are drop rewards for completing content and not craftable.

And just as with monster sets, I would wish they would switch to a token system so people can get theirs without having to run the content -dozends- of times to get the right piece... like I said, bring "drop thingie" to NPC, pick what they should make from it. A bit like the "prismatic weapon" selection for the final fighters guild quest...

I mean, I can see it, a "Master Blacksmith" NPC in front of the dragonstar arena going like "Ah, champion, I see you brought me a pile of dragonstar victory trophies... you know I could melt them down and forge you a nifty weapon from it..." and then your character selecting "Yes, please, I really want a titanic cleave greataxe!"; same as a "Undaunted Master Armorer" could turn monster drop thingies into helmets and shoulders without having to fear the whim of the gods of the die roll dozends of times before you finally get the drop you want...

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