Group content requires building your toon to play with other people...which means sreing what that group could use and choosing that. Example is...you find three people who want to do a dungeon, which is the tank, which is the healer, and who are the designated people to bring damage? And, then, abide by the role you chose. If you do damage, practice and find out how to do more damage, all the time. You can always find a way to do more damagae...healing tests are simple, did your party members die? Moar heelz!
Tanking is about taking damage and holding things still, crowd control, debuffs, aggro, really my favorite role in the game.

kronoso1979b14_ESO wrote: »

Constantly kicked by players who are 250 cp and above. Today it was by a group of cp players who were at 800 cp and he made a rude remark because I am playing a Templar using a 2 handed weapon and a mixture of stamina and magic. Then I get booted. I asked him for advice in a build since he had a problem with my play style and got nothing. I’ll do the same here. If someone can offer to help me with a better build then I’ll post what my skills are. I’m used to world of Warcraft using a 2 handed weapon. I chose Templar because it was the closest thing to a retribution paladin.

You didn't get kicked because of your build, you got kicked because of toxicity. Play what you like until you start running some harder veteran DLC dungeons. Not everyone is an ***... For example, like 2 days ago I PUGed a random vet daily, and got CoH1. It was me (810), a cp810 tank, a cp810 healer, and a cp10 DPS. Tank refused to leave the starting area, and instantly voted to kick cp10 guy. I told him to just play, give him a chance, and to stop being a ****. His reply was "you may want to carry, but I'm not". I voted to kick the tank, it passed, and we proceeded to 3 man the dungeon. Got a tank just prior to the twins, and did hard mode since it was apparently a daily. No deaths, took maybe 10 minutes. Moral of the story is, you are going to run into this. Rather it is your build choice, or your lower CP level so my advice is to just play what you like to play for now, collect gear, gain CP, and just have fun. Worry about respecing gear/skills/attributes later when you feel you yourself are no longer comfortable in the content you are trying to complete. When you are ready to tackle the harder content, come get some build advice at that time.

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Measure your dps at practice dummy, if it's lower then 25k it's too early to go to random vets as dps because you know mobs are 300-400k HP. But as was mentioned above you may go as templar tank, this is powerful and flashy thing, like all paladins like

This is false. You do NOT need 25k DPS to do vet dungeons. I don't care if it is Spindleclutch 1, or March of Sacrifices. You do NOT need 25k. So many people spread misinformation. People may want 25k+, and sometimes even expect it, but that is their problem because it is definitely not a requirement. I've PUGed every vet DLC HM dungeon with the exception of the Wolf Hunter ones (only did not HM on those so far, because I just recently came back to the game). I've had every group imaginable... fake tanks, dual wield/sword and board healers, 55k health healers, 20k health tanks, bow spamming DPS, resto heavy again only DPS, etc. You name it, I've been grouped with it. Very, very few times have I had to drop group because the group was unable to finish the content. Sure, it was more of a struggle than it could have been, but it is all do-able; especially the DLC since they are more mechanic driven and less focused on DPS tests. Usually when dropping group is a necessity just because there is just zero chance it is because of a fake tank, and not a low DPS.

@Diminish Overall, I agree. But if you are running some vet DLC dungeons with the tank, healer, 2 DPS setup with 2 DPS that don't hit very hard, its going to be a long day. I've been pulled into some of these vet PUGs where the first trash mob takes 5 minutes. Sure, you can beat the dungeon, it just might take 40 minutes. Sometimes I'm fine with that. Other times, not so much. Especially in something like BC2, where you know the burn isn't there for the last boss. Which leads to kicking. Not that I support that, but I understand why it happens.

The 25K waterline is a manageable goal. It kind of shows others you are attempting a rotation, which means you are willing to learn how to play this game.

kronoso1979b14_ESO wrote: »

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El_Borracho wrote: »

Got to go with @qbit. I'm assuming this is a PVE thing. For vet trials, 2H DDs are somewhere between serviceable to frowned-upon, as they just can't hit as hard as a DW/Bow build. But to combine that with a stamina/magic hybrid, I don't know what you hoped to accomplish. For end game content, pick a skill line and stick with that.

Poke around on Tamriel Foundry, Alcast, or search the boards here for ideas and examples. You don't have to go meta, but I have yet to see or hear of a hybrid matching a min/max type build. Hybrids are just not very good at anything in this game, especially vet DLCs and trials.

I haven’t played thus game that long. I started playing a couple years back and quit because people were pretty nasty to me. Then I picked it up again a few months back. I quit again because I got busy with work. So I really don’t know that much about it to be honest. It seems like the skill trees are kinda messy and thrown around.

What platform do you play on? I'm a templar main and I have played all roles of it. So depending on what you would like to do I could help you out.

I play on the Playstation 4. I only want to dps and be able to heal myself if needed but still dps both in dungeons and out. Yes in wow I played a retribution paladin, but I had a medium build that provided survivability both in and out of dungeons. Granted in wow there was no stamina resource. There was just a magica resource so the stamina resource has me fumbling to adjust to find the perfect balance.

Look at your class skill line and which morphs there is for each ability, so you know what path there is to level up and how to adjust.

To use an ability you need enough magic or stamina to start your skill. Your character have max 64 points which can be spread between magic, health or stamina.

Gear for base resource
Your gear have it base stats and you can add glyphs which give you more of stats (magic, stamina or health). Use Indfused trait on your main chest piece (as it that piece get more out of glyphs and infused glyps add a percentage on your armors enchantment. You can use Divine trait to get more out of your Mondus Stone (here you can change between different stats), so when you need pure magic or magic recovery you can get a bit more from changing Mondus Stone [you channel with MS which is to be found all around in Tamriel] or you can get weapon damage, critical chance or critical damage boosted. There are other traits on armor that might be of interest, but those two are a good starting point. Make sure your armor is of purple quality (you don't need to "gold" [yellow or legendary quality] your armor to still get good damage, heals or resistance. Most people work towards combination of sets and you can craft your own sets, buy it or loot it. When you get a set that is white, green or blue you can improve it up to purple, so you don't need to farm a purple set, just improve it if you find something you want to combine in 5 pieces to get max bonus out of it. There are set which you only need 2 pieces (monster sets - reward from dungeons [pledges] which you get keys to unlock chests for the missing part of set). Rings and necklaces can be crafted which means they also follow the same system for improvements, but that can take much more time. On the positive side is that when you can craft a set, you can now also use jewels to get 5 pieces over armor [7 pc - 2 less if you use monster set which is head and shoulder piece; 3 pc from jewels and for 2H weapons incl staves it is one pc; exception here is dual wielding which have two independent weapon (1H weapon) that can each their own set.



2H weapons (skills) are based on stamina resource, so you will need enough of stamina to use your weapons skill. If I am right there is even some mobility skills and healing skills in your weapons skill line. Later when you feel that you want to get better heals you can get that from going to Cyrodiil to get access to your Alliance War skill line and start to use your Alliance War skill line. After that you gain XP for having your ability on your weapon bar, so you can continue to play only PvE and gain level in your skills ability until you can morph it like every other skill.

Rapid (mobility both for yourself and mounted with some short immunity for CC) is a very good skill when you enough stamina even in PvE and next skill in AW skill line is a healing skill that heals both you and nearby friends (NPC or player).

As Templar your main strength isn't only healing, but you have access to debuffs and buffs. You are the only class that can cleans DoTs (it is magica ability, so you need enough magic to use it), you can put a beam on your target which both damage and when it ends heals people around your target, you have a strong execute.

With more CP you can get better mobility from your passives (Wind Running at 120 points into The Lover). At 10, 30, 75 and 120 you unlock passives which some actually are useful for combat. Combining dodge roll with reduced cost (Tumbling), with more resistance (passive - Phase) and offbalance (Exploiter and Tacticians). As you can see CP adds more then direct numbers to your base skills (when you increase percent in direct damage CP you will see in tooltip that your base damage is increasing or how your heals change). With 210 CP you can not take full advantage of it yet, so you need to spread your points to each tree where you get the most out of each points increase as it is diminishing returns and at same time keep an eye useful passives and how tooltips change for heals, damage or resistance (defence).

There is a main difference here from other MMORPGs that you need to keep in mind. ESO don't use cooldowns on each skill (there is a general cooldown [GCD] for changing weaponbar and some other things, but let us focus on active skills from weapon, class and those types) and have replaced that with a resource based limitation.

You need to have skills that give you back resource: for magic doing a heavy attacks with resto and lightning staves can do this and skills with weapon (staves) that kills, for stamina you don't have the same way to recover stamina, but you have in general a higher stamina recovery then magic (this is controlled by which stat is max resource (remember your 64 points in character screen).) That is why most stamina have more mobility, can dodge a bit more and use skills based on stamina then a magica based character. If you go hybrid (more 50/50 in your base resource), you loose that advantage and now need to find a way to keep your skills up (for both magic and stamina skills), be able to still block, break free and other stamina based activity while regaining both resources. Pots and food/drinks with two or three traits might help, but the more traits the less duration of strength each trait will have.

Search and pick any popular PvE builds you find on Google or YouTube. Any of them is fine and you can switch some skills to your liking. If you really want to do magic and stamina you could be a tank with sword & shield and an ice staff. Just remember this is ESO not WoW, so playing one game like the other probably wouldn't work since they're so different. Here's a build I just looked up: https://alcasthq.com/eso-templar-tank-build-pve/

Optimal DPS as tank doesn't really matter and all you need to do is aggro bosses and mobs. For veteran dungeons, I don't know which you did but some can be difficult like Falkreath or Mazzatun, so knowing mechanics and a decent build are necessary to prevent wipes. Being a hybrid build might make you seem inexperienced so they kick to prevent frustration throughout the dungeon. Two days ago I joined a vet dungeon with the other DPS and healer spamming crystal blast. I knew we wouldn't make it far so I just left the group and told them to find a good build. For me it's nothing personal, it's just that I wouldn't want to spend a lot of time struggling with the dungeon, and getting a player to completely redo their build and learn a new one is time consuming and probably cannot happen within the dungeon.

This is why the game mechanics need an overhaul.. And class and combo should be able to access end game content.

Its why this games population is stagnating and why so many leave after cp 160..

Some dungeons are significantly more challenging than others and can’t be necessarily be completed with too many people that have no idea and don’t have the gear.

I forgot about this thread. I log onto my account and saw tons of messsages. Thanks for the advice guys. So the points where it says magic, stam, and health? That’s where I should pick? All points in either magic or health? I haven’t been on the game in about a month. I just gave up for a bit and went and played a new game.

kronoso1979b14_ESO wrote: »

I forgot about this thread. I log onto my account and saw tons of messsages. Thanks for the advice guys. So the points where it says magic, stam, and health? That’s where I should pick? All points in either magic or health? I haven’t been on the game in about a month. I just gave up for a bit and went and played a new game.

The choice you have as a DD is either magicka or stamina, don’t put any points into health.
For a higher health pool, you should consider eating blue food, which buffs both your primary stat and your health.

This game is very forgiving if you only play the overland solo content. You can have whatever build you like and play your own style. But if it is about grouping with others, you should consider your role more seriously and try to contribute more to the group.

Since you are new to the game I assume you are playing as Damage Dealer (because it's the default role). As many have suggested, DD don't use a hybrid build. Put all your attr points into either magicka or stamina. The only hybrid build in the game is tank, and to some extent maybe some pvp builds. Also check Alcast website https://alcasthq.com/ and pick your favorite templar build. It really helps you understand the game mechanism.

People who kicked you are rude, but it is also reasonable that everyone would want a more competent group mate and finish the dungeon faster. From your statements I guess you don't know much about animation canceling, gear selection and probably don't pull more than 10k dps (actually most new players only pull around 5k), so that would make the dungeon run 2-3 times longer than usual. Some ppl are patient and will show you the road, while others are not.

So my suggestion is:
1. adapt the advice here and improve you build.
2. play a tank role. Tank can have a hybrid build of health, stam and mag which may suit you taste. Tank also queues much faster than DD and ppl are less likely to kick a tank as long as you taunt.