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Youtube Builds - Can We Stop Please?
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.0 -
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✭thanoscopter wrote: »thanoscopter wrote: »thanoscopter wrote: »Ice staff is pretty close to a sword and board. Really, the only thing it is missing is the major fracture and a little damage reduction. Other classes can provide major fracture anyway. Now a warden or nightblade tank can use an ice staff and provide major fracture with their class skills.
The leader was out of line and disrespected you when a true leader would have sent you private messages. Here's what I would have did OP. I would have put on Plague Doctor + another selfish set like Eternal Yokeda to maximize my own tankiness while not providing any group buffs to those guys. Take the warhorn off too. Finally, when they are wiping make sure you cast a selfish ult to survive a bit longer instead of rezzing them.
Yes please give the group another reason to kick him....because that is how you get kicked.
Why should he care about being kicked out of a run where the leader started off by publicly shaming him on voice chat without even talking it out with him privately? The leader already proved he was not that knowledgeable. He asked how he doesn't run out of magicka using an ice staff. The OP stacked magicka regen but another way to tank with an ice staff without running out of magicka is to not take the first destruction staff passive. If you don't take the first passive, you block with stamina on an ice staff...most tanks should know this.
I am well aware of how ice staves function, I do not know if hes previous leader did ( he also just may have tested him with questions. who knows).
But making the whole group angry because of the leader mocking him is not the way to address this. In the end he may get a bad reputation and wont find a group anymore to run trials. Well that is none of my business tough.
I can only repeat, what I already stated: Somebody not willing to wear specific sets, play a specific class or use specific skills to help out the group is not suited for vet trial environment. This may sound hard, but in this content players commit themselves to the group and adjusting your builds also belongs to that. If he thinks of that as cheese, then it is his own personnel problem.
Well, everyone makes mistakes, even the group leader. If no one stops the guild leader from putting others down in voice chat and forcing builds upon others then he will continue to do this.
It's kind of like if you order take out and they try to charge you 30 dollars for something the menu said costed 15 dollars. Do you trust the cashier and pay up or do you refer to the menu (the reference) and begin asking questions? The point is, the leader could have just not been lazy and looked at the destruction staff passives (the reference) or considered magicka regen which is the solution for running out of magicka. Ice staff tanking is not a new thing that came out last patch...
Giving out accurate information is important in a leadership role no matter the setting. There is also a distinction between insulting others and testing others. Pull the tank in a private channel and discuss the setup with them. Discuss what sets the tank has available to them and make recommendations, but the theatrics and dramatics in voice chat are really unnecessary if you want to be a leader.
I agree, the raid lead did it certainly wrong. But we have to assume, that OP did not provide as a tank, what the group expected. In any case, nobody did the right thing here and discussing the bad behavior of the lead is not the topic.
OP does not agree with the current role of a tank and therefore does not fit in serious trial group. It was wrong of him to insult people trying to achieve good results, just because he does not agree with the current best way to achieve results. PvE builds on Youtube and content creator homepages mostly showcase, what currently provides the best results in the game by having a group, where everyone supports each other. If OP wants to play a selfish build, which he thinks is better than those group oriented builds, then he can do that, but he can not expect to be taken up by serious trial groups and can not expect to be taken seriously by others. In a serious trial group, the group can expect sets, skills and gear from a certain role, otherwise the whole "group" thingy does not work.2 -
alainjbrennanb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
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onemoredragon✭✭✭I'd like to point out to you, OP, what's said in the post by Liofa might give you an insight on how different roles work with each other in the game, especially in the 'high end' environment. Because it seems like you've missed it.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
It's quite sad that you had a bad experience with your guild leader, but still not a good reason to lash out at the community theorycrafters and/or people who use their builds, with that 'stop youtube builds' attitude. The main reason for a certain person being *** towards you is that exact person, believe it or not.
Exactly. I wont run with people like that at all. Tanks job is not to buff the group. But some how this has become expected.
Its like dps is the only role that matters.
Just say NO!
And eeh.. what is it exactly that you don't like with a tank buffing the group? Do you think it is just way too much work for a tank? What else would you like to do as a support player to help your group? I'm genuinely interested, because I've never encountered such an aggressive refusal to provide buffs before on these forums - it might feel cool to just say no, I guess, but what's your alternative then?
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kaevix✭✭✭alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
You don't need anyone else's support my dude, you are a 10/10 tank. Stay strong you hulk of a man!!!Why, when an AV actress leashes her pet slave and sits on his face she's called sexy or a babe, but when I do that to my pvp opponents, I'm called toxic?
Why, when someone swaps toons to a different faction to farm 25k AP for transmutes, it's seen as a bit of naughty fun, but when I delete my DC rank 50 Grand Overlord with 4000 hours clocked to create an EP Argonian, I'm called a faction swapper?
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The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
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✭✭✭✭✭thanoscopter wrote: »thanoscopter wrote: »thanoscopter wrote: »Ice staff is pretty close to a sword and board. Really, the only thing it is missing is the major fracture and a little damage reduction. Other classes can provide major fracture anyway. Now a warden or nightblade tank can use an ice staff and provide major fracture with their class skills.
The leader was out of line and disrespected you when a true leader would have sent you private messages. Here's what I would have did OP. I would have put on Plague Doctor + another selfish set like Eternal Yokeda to maximize my own tankiness while not providing any group buffs to those guys. Take the warhorn off too. Finally, when they are wiping make sure you cast a selfish ult to survive a bit longer instead of rezzing them.
Yes please give the group another reason to kick him....because that is how you get kicked.
Why should he care about being kicked out of a run where the leader started off by publicly shaming him on voice chat without even talking it out with him privately? The leader already proved he was not that knowledgeable. He asked how he doesn't run out of magicka using an ice staff. The OP stacked magicka regen but another way to tank with an ice staff without running out of magicka is to not take the first destruction staff passive. If you don't take the first passive, you block with stamina on an ice staff...most tanks should know this.
I am well aware of how ice staves function, I do not know if hes previous leader did ( he also just may have tested him with questions. who knows).
But making the whole group angry because of the leader mocking him is not the way to address this. In the end he may get a bad reputation and wont find a group anymore to run trials. Well that is none of my business tough.
I can only repeat, what I already stated: Somebody not willing to wear specific sets, play a specific class or use specific skills to help out the group is not suited for vet trial environment. This may sound hard, but in this content players commit themselves to the group and adjusting your builds also belongs to that. If he thinks of that as cheese, then it is his own personnel problem.
Well, everyone makes mistakes, even the group leader. If no one stops the guild leader from putting others down in voice chat and forcing builds upon others then he will continue to do this.
It's kind of like if you order take out and they try to charge you 30 dollars for something the menu said costed 15 dollars. Do you trust the cashier and pay up or do you refer to the menu (the reference) and begin asking questions? The point is, the leader could have just not been lazy and looked at the destruction staff passives (the reference) or considered magicka regen which is the solution for running out of magicka. Ice staff tanking is not a new thing that came out last patch...
Giving out accurate information is important in a leadership role no matter the setting. There is also a distinction between insulting others and testing others. Pull the tank in a private channel and discuss the setup with them. Discuss what sets the tank has available to them and make recommendations, but the theatrics and dramatics in voice chat are really unnecessary if you want to be a leader.
I would have been ok with that approach and would have put on ebon if asked. I have several sets for group as well as sb.
But, I wont be bullied.
Checkmate, you remind of him a lot.
So maybe it just comes down to how we talk to each other as fellow human beings?
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
Show me a tank is a "support role" from an official eso or developer article.0 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
i was being sarcastic, a tank is not a support role
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✭✭✭✭✭thanoscopter wrote: »Ice staff is pretty close to a sword and board. Really, the only thing it is missing is the major fracture and a little damage reduction. Other classes can provide major fracture anyway. Now a warden or nightblade tank can use an ice staff and provide major fracture with their class skills.
Did you tried those class skills in real environment? Ok, NB can provide fracture more or less effectively but still it will deplete all his resources if applied to several targets.. (i mean surprise attack), warden.. eh, that fracture works 5 seconds.. so you will summon shalks each 5 seconds? DK can provide aoe major fracture, but at a cost of engulfing flames. With S&B it's guaranteed 100% fracture/breach uptime, cheap and fast, with all alternatives it's all juggling with several skills for huge resource cost and questionable uptime. And don't forget those HA's and all room attacking you so you need to block most of the time and open just to re-new buffs/debuffs.1 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭thanoscopter wrote: »thanoscopter wrote: »thanoscopter wrote: »Ice staff is pretty close to a sword and board. Really, the only thing it is missing is the major fracture and a little damage reduction. Other classes can provide major fracture anyway. Now a warden or nightblade tank can use an ice staff and provide major fracture with their class skills.
The leader was out of line and disrespected you when a true leader would have sent you private messages. Here's what I would have did OP. I would have put on Plague Doctor + another selfish set like Eternal Yokeda to maximize my own tankiness while not providing any group buffs to those guys. Take the warhorn off too. Finally, when they are wiping make sure you cast a selfish ult to survive a bit longer instead of rezzing them.
Yes please give the group another reason to kick him....because that is how you get kicked.
Why should he care about being kicked out of a run where the leader started off by publicly shaming him on voice chat without even talking it out with him privately? The leader already proved he was not that knowledgeable. He asked how he doesn't run out of magicka using an ice staff. The OP stacked magicka regen but another way to tank with an ice staff without running out of magicka is to not take the first destruction staff passive. If you don't take the first passive, you block with stamina on an ice staff...most tanks should know this.
I am well aware of how ice staves function, I do not know if hes previous leader did ( he also just may have tested him with questions. who knows).
But making the whole group angry because of the leader mocking him is not the way to address this. In the end he may get a bad reputation and wont find a group anymore to run trials. Well that is none of my business tough.
I can only repeat, what I already stated: Somebody not willing to wear specific sets, play a specific class or use specific skills to help out the group is not suited for vet trial environment. This may sound hard, but in this content players commit themselves to the group and adjusting your builds also belongs to that. If he thinks of that as cheese, then it is his own personnel problem.
Well, everyone makes mistakes, even the group leader. If no one stops the guild leader from putting others down in voice chat and forcing builds upon others then he will continue to do this.
It's kind of like if you order take out and they try to charge you 30 dollars for something the menu said costed 15 dollars. Do you trust the cashier and pay up or do you refer to the menu (the reference) and begin asking questions? The point is, the leader could have just not been lazy and looked at the destruction staff passives (the reference) or considered magicka regen which is the solution for running out of magicka. Ice staff tanking is not a new thing that came out last patch...
Giving out accurate information is important in a leadership role no matter the setting. There is also a distinction between insulting others and testing others. Pull the tank in a private channel and discuss the setup with them. Discuss what sets the tank has available to them and make recommendations, but the theatrics and dramatics in voice chat are really unnecessary if you want to be a leader.
I would have been ok with that approach and would have put on ebon if asked. I have several sets for group as well as sb.
But, I wont be bullied.
Checkmate, you remind of him a lot.
So maybe it just comes down to how we talk to each other as fellow human beings?
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✭✭OP although I think the guild leader you described did sound like a jerk, I have to say you sound almost as bad with your scorn for players who want to use "youtube builds"
Not everyone has the time or interest to spend weeks or months working out a great personal build. Often the youtube builds offer a platform for new players to get started with understanding their class, and can adapt the build more to their liking later on. Your attitude is basically just as elitist as the guy you were complaining about.
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kaevix✭✭✭thanoscopter wrote: »thanoscopter wrote: »thanoscopter wrote: »Ice staff is pretty close to a sword and board. Really, the only thing it is missing is the major fracture and a little damage reduction. Other classes can provide major fracture anyway. Now a warden or nightblade tank can use an ice staff and provide major fracture with their class skills.
The leader was out of line and disrespected you when a true leader would have sent you private messages. Here's what I would have did OP. I would have put on Plague Doctor + another selfish set like Eternal Yokeda to maximize my own tankiness while not providing any group buffs to those guys. Take the warhorn off too. Finally, when they are wiping make sure you cast a selfish ult to survive a bit longer instead of rezzing them.
Yes please give the group another reason to kick him....because that is how you get kicked.
Why should he care about being kicked out of a run where the leader started off by publicly shaming him on voice chat without even talking it out with him privately? The leader already proved he was not that knowledgeable. He asked how he doesn't run out of magicka using an ice staff. The OP stacked magicka regen but another way to tank with an ice staff without running out of magicka is to not take the first destruction staff passive. If you don't take the first passive, you block with stamina on an ice staff...most tanks should know this.
I am well aware of how ice staves function, I do not know if hes previous leader did ( he also just may have tested him with questions. who knows).
But making the whole group angry because of the leader mocking him is not the way to address this. In the end he may get a bad reputation and wont find a group anymore to run trials. Well that is none of my business tough.
I can only repeat, what I already stated: Somebody not willing to wear specific sets, play a specific class or use specific skills to help out the group is not suited for vet trial environment. This may sound hard, but in this content players commit themselves to the group and adjusting your builds also belongs to that. If he thinks of that as cheese, then it is his own personnel problem.
Well, everyone makes mistakes, even the group leader. If no one stops the guild leader from putting others down in voice chat and forcing builds upon others then he will continue to do this.
It's kind of like if you order take out and they try to charge you 30 dollars for something the menu said costed 15 dollars. Do you trust the cashier and pay up or do you refer to the menu (the reference) and begin asking questions? The point is, the leader could have just not been lazy and looked at the destruction staff passives (the reference) or considered magicka regen which is the solution for running out of magicka. Ice staff tanking is not a new thing that came out last patch...
Giving out accurate information is important in a leadership role no matter the setting. There is also a distinction between insulting others and testing others. Pull the tank in a private channel and discuss the setup with them. Discuss what sets the tank has available to them and make recommendations, but the theatrics and dramatics in voice chat are really unnecessary if you want to be a leader.
I would have been ok with that approach and would have put on ebon if asked. I have several sets for group as well as sb.
But, I wont be bullied.
Checkmate, you remind of him a lot.
So maybe it just comes down to how we talk to each other as fellow human beings?
#GroupHug
That helps.
Actually it won't help me, I'm a male Argonian looking for a male Khajiit. DM me if interested, that would help me.
Why, when an AV actress leashes her pet slave and sits on his face she's called sexy or a babe, but when I do that to my pvp opponents, I'm called toxic?
Why, when someone swaps toons to a different faction to farm 25k AP for transmutes, it's seen as a bit of naughty fun, but when I delete my DC rank 50 Grand Overlord with 4000 hours clocked to create an EP Argonian, I'm called a faction swapper?
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.0 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭OP although I think the guild leader you described did sound like a jerk, I have to say you sound almost as bad with your scorn for players who want to use "youtube builds"
Not everyone has the time or interest to spend weeks or months working out a great personal build. Often the youtube builds offer a platform for new players to get started with understanding their class, and can adapt the build more to their liking later on. Your attitude is basically just as elitist as the guy you were complaining about.
Not at all. My scorn is against players who use youtube builds who want to make people feel bad who dont.
Both should be able to perform without being attacked as long as they are effectiveEdited by Lab3360 on December 20, 2018 11:21AM0 -
kaevix✭✭✭OP although I think the guild leader you described did sound like a jerk, I have to say you sound almost as bad with your scorn for players who want to use "youtube builds"
Not everyone has the time or interest to spend weeks or months working out a great personal build. Often the youtube builds offer a platform for new players to get started with understanding their class, and can adapt the build more to their liking later on. Your attitude is basically just as elitist as the guy you were complaining about.
Not at all. My scorn is against players who use youtube builds who want to make people feel bad who dont.
Well, be glad you still have a spot in the heavens as scorn is not one of the 7 cardinal sins. Welcome my fellow brother!Why, when an AV actress leashes her pet slave and sits on his face she's called sexy or a babe, but when I do that to my pvp opponents, I'm called toxic?
Why, when someone swaps toons to a different faction to farm 25k AP for transmutes, it's seen as a bit of naughty fun, but when I delete my DC rank 50 Grand Overlord with 4000 hours clocked to create an EP Argonian, I'm called a faction swapper?
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Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
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Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
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You're also misunderstanding "effective" in this case, just because you can do it doesn't mean it is effectiveOP although I think the guild leader you described did sound like a jerk, I have to say you sound almost as bad with your scorn for players who want to use "youtube builds"
Not everyone has the time or interest to spend weeks or months working out a great personal build. Often the youtube builds offer a platform for new players to get started with understanding their class, and can adapt the build more to their liking later on. Your attitude is basically just as elitist as the guy you were complaining about.
Not at all. My scorn is against players who use youtube builds who want to make people feel bad who dont.
Both should be able to perform without being attacked as long as they are effective
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Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.Edited by Lab3360 on December 20, 2018 11:24AM0 -
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Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me.
Well that's on you buddy, always ensure both parties have consent and raise your concerns before he puts it in.Why, when an AV actress leashes her pet slave and sits on his face she's called sexy or a babe, but when I do that to my pvp opponents, I'm called toxic?
Why, when someone swaps toons to a different faction to farm 25k AP for transmutes, it's seen as a bit of naughty fun, but when I delete my DC rank 50 Grand Overlord with 4000 hours clocked to create an EP Argonian, I'm called a faction swapper?
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me.
Well that's on you buddy, always ensure both parties have consent and raise your concerns before he puts it in.
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✭✭@Lab3360 No offense, but insulting people for running meta gear is exactly the same as them insulting you for wearing a non meta setup. Im not trying to be rude, and I agree with points from both sides. And im not singling you out, that goes for everyone in this game.Edited by D0PAMINE on December 20, 2018 11:31AM5 -
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Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
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kaevix✭✭✭
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me.
Well that's on you buddy, always ensure both parties have consent and raise your concerns before he puts it in.
What do u mean?
Playing innocent now huh? Well that's not heavenly behaviour my brother, I hope you reflect so our Lord may once again bless you.Why, when an AV actress leashes her pet slave and sits on his face she's called sexy or a babe, but when I do that to my pvp opponents, I'm called toxic?
Why, when someone swaps toons to a different faction to farm 25k AP for transmutes, it's seen as a bit of naughty fun, but when I delete my DC rank 50 Grand Overlord with 4000 hours clocked to create an EP Argonian, I'm called a faction swapper?
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭@Lab3360 No offense, but insulting people for running meta gear is exactly the same as them insulting you for wearing a non meta setup. Im not trying to be rude, and I agree with points from both sides.
I would like to know where I have insulted people who only use youtube builds.
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Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me.
Well that's on you buddy, always ensure both parties have consent and raise your concerns before he puts it in.
What do u mean?
You don't want to know this time....my poor maiden eyes wish they hadn't...Edited by Tasear on December 20, 2018 11:33AM0 -
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Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me.
Well that's on you buddy, always ensure both parties have consent and raise your concerns before he puts it in.
What do u mean?
Playing innocent now huh? Well that's not heavenly behaviour my brother, I hope you reflect so our Lord may once again bless you.
Umm. That was a legitimate question in need of clarification. I dont play innocent because im not and dont want be.
Thats for perfect people.Edited by Lab3360 on December 20, 2018 11:34AM0
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