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Tirps✭✭✭✭I agree that people should be more approbative towards non meta builds as long as they can carry their own weight and not wipe everyone.
"But why would you run something else that doesn't give maximal dps or isn't the strongest tank or healer build ever?" If higher tier pve community would accept the fact that you don't need 60k single target dps to clear vFG 1 it would make those off meta builds instantly more viable for everyone.cp1k+ ( ´•౪•`)1 -
SupremeRissole✭✭✭✭those who whinge about people following the meta are just as annoying as those who whinge about people not following it.8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »You all missing key point of all this - this thread won't happen if ice staff was not so inferior to s&b. When devs introduced ice staff it inspired some people for ice tanking and ice builds.. and when they created and honed those builds, they find that this builds are "garbage".
There were dozens of threads with simple solutions to this like additional morph to ele or changes to inner rage - but devs don't even discuss it. Pierce armor is so powerful skill so any tank without it is much weaker by default.
I will agree the ice staff is less efficient. It is certainly not weaker. The block with and ice staff on a templar or sorc is more efficient due to class and staff passives.
But, it does not provide major breach and fracture.
Yes, it's not weaker of terms of blocking, but it's times weaker in terms of debuffing and taunting. With s&b you see 5 mobs, you lay aoe cc, then peck each of them in 5 seconds and this cost just 6.5k stamina. Compare it to existing alternatives without s&b.. 5 inner rages, something to fracture + ele drain, overall 20-25k magicka, and only 1 mob will be debuffed.
Also, you need to understand that in this game it's all connected.. tank can easily survive boss if he follows mechanics.. but tank can be depleted and overrun by adds if those aren't killed fast enough. So from tank survival perspective, it's in his own interests to gather mobs, immobilize and debuff them and also buff own group dps with things like horn and class buff. And in all that s&b dk is perfect while other classes and skill lines can survive better, can provide additional healing.. but you are tank, nobody needs healing or over-survival from tank in coordinated group, group needs controlled and debuffed monsters from tank. Maybe it was error by devs to call this role a tank. They should call it frontman or leader etc0 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭https://www.xynodegaming.com/
https://dottzgaming.com/
https://alcasthq.com/
Use these three to get multiple perspectives. And yes not everybody can creates build from scratch with an active real life and multiple charatars for multiple roles and PVE / PVP.
This game is fun because you can do many things.
This story is about what every Tank feels in Trails. Trails suck because all pressure somehow is on the Tank to indeed wear ebon and alkosh. I stopped tanking trails after I completed a few on VET as my personal goal but was sure not to continue after this goal because tanking and trails suck.
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thanoscopter✭✭✭Ice staff is pretty close to a sword and board. Really, the only thing it is missing is the major fracture and a little damage reduction. Other classes can provide major fracture anyway. Now a warden or nightblade tank can use an ice staff and provide major fracture with their class skills.
The leader was out of line and disrespected you when a true leader would have sent you private messages. Here's what I would have did OP. I would have put on Plague Doctor + another selfish set like Eternal Yokeda to maximize my own tankiness while not providing any group buffs to those guys. Take the warhorn off too. Finally, when they are wiping make sure you cast a selfish ult to survive a bit longer instead of rezzing them.
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭I agree that people should be more approbative towards non meta builds as long as they can carry their own weight and not wipe everyone.
"But why would you run something else that doesn't give maximal dps or isn't the strongest tank or healer build ever?" If higher tier pve community would accept the fact that you don't need 60k single target dps to clear vFG 1 it would make those off meta builds instantly more viable for everyone.
I understand what youre point.
This is an mmo which in general offer high levels of customization.
But, what is the point in playing an mmo if youre simply going to copy the exact same thing everyone else is doing?
Why bother playing?0 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭thanoscopter wrote: »Ice staff is pretty close to a sword and board. Really, the only thing it is missing is the major fracture and a little damage reduction. Other classes can provide major fracture anyway. Now a warden or nightblade tank can use an ice staff and provide major fracture with their class skills.
The leader was out of line and disrespected you when a true leader would have sent you private messages. Here's what I would have did OP. I would have put on Plague Doctor + another selfish set like Eternal Yokeda to maximize my own tankiness while not providing any group buffs to those guys. Take the warhorn off too. Finally, when they are wiping make sure you cast a selfish ult to survive a bit longer instead of rezzing them.
Lol. I wish I would have thought of it.
Here is the thing. No build could have save them. It was a mechanic error.Edited by Lab3360 on December 20, 2018 10:40AM0 -
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✭thanoscopter wrote: »Ice staff is pretty close to a sword and board. Really, the only thing it is missing is the major fracture and a little damage reduction. Other classes can provide major fracture anyway. Now a warden or nightblade tank can use an ice staff and provide major fracture with their class skills.
The leader was out of line and disrespected you when a true leader would have sent you private messages. Here's what I would have did OP. I would have put on Plague Doctor + another selfish set like Eternal Yokeda to maximize my own tankiness while not providing any group buffs to those guys. Take the warhorn off too. Finally, when they are wiping make sure you cast a selfish ult to survive a bit longer instead of rezzing them.
Yes please give the group another reason to kick him....because that is how you get kicked.Edited by Checkmath on December 20, 2018 10:40AM8 -
kaevix✭✭✭Wtf guys stop insulting Alcest, you just jealous that he is related to a Game of Thrones character.
EDIT: www.twitch.tv/DrugControl has great builds too!!!! Don't take drugs kids or your builds will be BEST IN SLOT like his!!!!!Edited by kaevix on December 20, 2018 10:46AMWhy, when an AV actress leashes her pet slave and sits on his face she's called sexy or a babe, but when I do that to my pvp opponents, I'm called toxic?
Why, when someone swaps toons to a different faction to farm 25k AP for transmutes, it's seen as a bit of naughty fun, but when I delete my DC rank 50 Grand Overlord with 4000 hours clocked to create an EP Argonian, I'm called a faction swapper?
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thanoscopter✭✭✭thanoscopter wrote: »Ice staff is pretty close to a sword and board. Really, the only thing it is missing is the major fracture and a little damage reduction. Other classes can provide major fracture anyway. Now a warden or nightblade tank can use an ice staff and provide major fracture with their class skills.
The leader was out of line and disrespected you when a true leader would have sent you private messages. Here's what I would have did OP. I would have put on Plague Doctor + another selfish set like Eternal Yokeda to maximize my own tankiness while not providing any group buffs to those guys. Take the warhorn off too. Finally, when they are wiping make sure you cast a selfish ult to survive a bit longer instead of rezzing them.
Yes please give the group another reason to kick him....because that is how you get kicked.
Why should he care about being kicked out of a run where the leader started off by publicly shaming him on voice chat without even talking it out with him privately? The leader already proved he was not that knowledgeable. He asked how he doesn't run out of magicka using an ice staff. The OP stacked magicka regen but another way to tank with an ice staff without running out of magicka is to not take the first destruction staff passive. If you don't take the first passive, you block with stamina on an ice staff...most tanks should know this.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭thanoscopter wrote: »Ice staff is pretty close to a sword and board. Really, the only thing it is missing is the major fracture and a little damage reduction. Other classes can provide major fracture anyway. Now a warden or nightblade tank can use an ice staff and provide major fracture with their class skills.
The leader was out of line and disrespected you when a true leader would have sent you private messages. Here's what I would have did OP. I would have put on Plague Doctor + another selfish set like Eternal Yokeda to maximize my own tankiness while not providing any group buffs to those guys. Take the warhorn off too. Finally, when they are wiping make sure you cast a selfish ult to survive a bit longer instead of rezzing them.
I can't tell if you are joking or serious...0 -
Joker99✭✭✭Oh look, another post for roleplayers to spout nonsense and bash on “sheeps” running meta builds. I can say for sure with that attitute, you won’t ever be part of a competent raiding guild so I guess you can keep on roleplaying.PC-EU
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StamNB, MagNB, MagPlar, MagDK, StamDK, StamWarden
Mostly just a scrub. Not even max CP.Actually max CP.9 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭thanoscopter wrote: »Ice staff is pretty close to a sword and board. Really, the only thing it is missing is the major fracture and a little damage reduction. Other classes can provide major fracture anyway. Now a warden or nightblade tank can use an ice staff and provide major fracture with their class skills.
The leader was out of line and disrespected you when a true leader would have sent you private messages. Here's what I would have did OP. I would have put on Plague Doctor + another selfish set like Eternal Yokeda to maximize my own tankiness while not providing any group buffs to those guys. Take the warhorn off too. Finally, when they are wiping make sure you cast a selfish ult to survive a bit longer instead of rezzing them.
Yes please give the group another reason to kick him....because that is how you get kicked.
Passive aggressive much. Youre just mad because in fact, you cant logically argue youre position.
You have lost. And thats what people do when they lose.
They change the subject like you did.
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✭✭✭I agree that people should be more approbative towards non meta builds as long as they can carry their own weight and not wipe everyone.
"But why would you run something else that doesn't give maximal dps or isn't the strongest tank or healer build ever?" If higher tier pve community would accept the fact that you don't need 60k single target dps to clear vFG 1 it would make those off meta builds instantly more viable for everyone.
Reminds me of a statement in a developer interview I saw from back when there were companies trying to compete with CoH. "Why would you want to be 'Captain Firepants' when you can be Spiderman?" Well maybe I don't want to be Spiderman. Maybe I want to be my own unique character that I can identify with instead of Clone #4978253. Or maybe I just find Spiderman boring as hell to play as. There is more to playing the game than just beating the game. That developer didn't get it and most meta-sheep don't understand it either."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."0 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭Oh look, another post for roleplayers to spout nonsense and bash on “sheeps” running meta builds. I can say for sure with that attitute, you won’t ever be part of a competent raiding guild so I guess you can keep on roleplaying.
Dont worry. I dont want to never tried. Why would i want to be around a bunch of people who copy builds and cheese trials and trial mechanics. I dont.
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Checkmath✭✭✭✭✭
✭thanoscopter wrote: »thanoscopter wrote: »Ice staff is pretty close to a sword and board. Really, the only thing it is missing is the major fracture and a little damage reduction. Other classes can provide major fracture anyway. Now a warden or nightblade tank can use an ice staff and provide major fracture with their class skills.
The leader was out of line and disrespected you when a true leader would have sent you private messages. Here's what I would have did OP. I would have put on Plague Doctor + another selfish set like Eternal Yokeda to maximize my own tankiness while not providing any group buffs to those guys. Take the warhorn off too. Finally, when they are wiping make sure you cast a selfish ult to survive a bit longer instead of rezzing them.
Yes please give the group another reason to kick him....because that is how you get kicked.
Why should he care about being kicked out of a run where the leader started off by publicly shaming him on voice chat without even talking it out with him privately? The leader already proved he was not that knowledgeable. He asked how he doesn't run out of magicka using an ice staff. The OP stacked magicka regen but another way to tank with an ice staff without running out of magicka is to not take the first destruction staff passive. If you don't take the first passive, you block with stamina on an ice staff...most tanks should know this.
I am well aware of how ice staves function, I do not know if hes previous leader did ( he also just may have tested him with questions. who knows).
But making the whole group angry because of the leader mocking him is not the way to address this. In the end he may get a bad reputation and wont find a group anymore to run trials. Well that is none of my business tough.
I can only repeat, what I already stated: Somebody not willing to wear specific sets, play a specific class or use specific skills to help out the group is not suited for vet trial environment. This may sound hard, but in this content players commit themselves to the group and adjusting your builds also belongs to that. If he thinks of that as cheese, then it is his own personnel problem.Edited by Checkmath on December 20, 2018 10:52AM2 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭I agree that people should be more approbative towards non meta builds as long as they can carry their own weight and not wipe everyone.
"But why would you run something else that doesn't give maximal dps or isn't the strongest tank or healer build ever?" If higher tier pve community would accept the fact that you don't need 60k single target dps to clear vFG 1 it would make those off meta builds instantly more viable for everyone.
Reminds me of a statement in a developer interview I saw from back when there were companies trying to compete with CoH. "Why would you want to be 'Captain Firepants' when you can be Spiderman?" Well maybe I don't want to be Spiderman. Maybe I want to be my own unique character that I can identify with instead of Clone #4978253. Or maybe I just find Spiderman boring as hell to play as. There is more to playing the game than just beating the game. That developer didn't get it and most meta-sheep don't understand it either.
Lol. They are truly just copies of each other dressed differently.
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kaevix✭✭✭I agree that people should be more approbative towards non meta builds as long as they can carry their own weight and not wipe everyone.
"But why would you run something else that doesn't give maximal dps or isn't the strongest tank or healer build ever?" If higher tier pve community would accept the fact that you don't need 60k single target dps to clear vFG 1 it would make those off meta builds instantly more viable for everyone.
Reminds me of a statement in a developer interview I saw from back when there were companies trying to compete with CoH. "Why would you want to be 'Captain Firepants' when you can be Spiderman?" Well maybe I don't want to be Spiderman. Maybe I want to be my own unique character that I can identify with instead of Clone #4978253. Or maybe I just find Spiderman boring as hell to play as. There is more to playing the game than just beating the game. That developer didn't get it and most meta-sheep don't understand it either.
Lol. They are truly just copies of each other dressed differently.
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Hehe that's my fetish boning my girlfriend and her twin sister, it's like having 2 dishwashers, double the efficiency. Edited by kaevix on December 20, 2018 10:52AMWhy, when an AV actress leashes her pet slave and sits on his face she's called sexy or a babe, but when I do that to my pvp opponents, I'm called toxic?
Why, when someone swaps toons to a different faction to farm 25k AP for transmutes, it's seen as a bit of naughty fun, but when I delete my DC rank 50 Grand Overlord with 4000 hours clocked to create an EP Argonian, I'm called a faction swapper?
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✭thanoscopter wrote: »Ice staff is pretty close to a sword and board. Really, the only thing it is missing is the major fracture and a little damage reduction. Other classes can provide major fracture anyway. Now a warden or nightblade tank can use an ice staff and provide major fracture with their class skills.
The leader was out of line and disrespected you when a true leader would have sent you private messages. Here's what I would have did OP. I would have put on Plague Doctor + another selfish set like Eternal Yokeda to maximize my own tankiness while not providing any group buffs to those guys. Take the warhorn off too. Finally, when they are wiping make sure you cast a selfish ult to survive a bit longer instead of rezzing them.
Yes please give the group another reason to kick him....because that is how you get kicked.
Passive aggressive much. Youre just mad because in fact, you cant logically argue youre position.
You have lost. And thats what people do when they lose.
They change the subject like you did.
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Are you talking about yourself?
"I can do whatever i want" ...... "ppl should stop using youtube builds and do their own builds"
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Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭thanoscopter wrote: »Ice staff is pretty close to a sword and board. Really, the only thing it is missing is the major fracture and a little damage reduction. Other classes can provide major fracture anyway. Now a warden or nightblade tank can use an ice staff and provide major fracture with their class skills.
The leader was out of line and disrespected you when a true leader would have sent you private messages. Here's what I would have did OP. I would have put on Plague Doctor + another selfish set like Eternal Yokeda to maximize my own tankiness while not providing any group buffs to those guys. Take the warhorn off too. Finally, when they are wiping make sure you cast a selfish ult to survive a bit longer instead of rezzing them.
Yes please give the group another reason to kick him....because that is how you get kicked.
Passive aggressive much. Youre just mad because in fact, you cant logically argue youre position.
You have lost. And thats what people do when they lose.
They change the subject like you did.
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Checkmath was meaning that that advice was bad sportsmanship. I would try to cool your head. Things aren't as bad as it seems. You have gotten different types of feedback on the matter. So take it in and decide how you will progress.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭On a different subject you might like pvp better. It has a different kinda of standards and a bit more freedom you might enjoy.0 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭thanoscopter wrote: »Ice staff is pretty close to a sword and board. Really, the only thing it is missing is the major fracture and a little damage reduction. Other classes can provide major fracture anyway. Now a warden or nightblade tank can use an ice staff and provide major fracture with their class skills.
The leader was out of line and disrespected you when a true leader would have sent you private messages. Here's what I would have did OP. I would have put on Plague Doctor + another selfish set like Eternal Yokeda to maximize my own tankiness while not providing any group buffs to those guys. Take the warhorn off too. Finally, when they are wiping make sure you cast a selfish ult to survive a bit longer instead of rezzing them.
Yes please give the group another reason to kick him....because that is how you get kicked.
Passive aggressive much. Youre just mad because in fact, you cant logically argue youre position.
You have lost. And thats what people do when they lose.
They change the subject like you did.
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Checkmath was meaning that that advice was bad sportsmanship. I would try to cool your head. Things aren't as bad as it seems. You have gotten different types of feedback on the matter. So take it in and decide how you will progress.
I did that long ago.
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You caught Hodor red handed, so much so that i just went to his website to check out his builds.Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »Alcast's builds are for noobs and lazy players who don't want to do a little bit of research. Even he does not use them. There is a reason why Alcast and Hodor don't post their 'personal' builds.
https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-nightblade-build-for-pve/
Damn, it's all a disguise, no one is using Relequen and Yokeda and those traits are all fake too.
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kaevix✭✭✭On a different subject you might like pvp better. It has a different kinda of standards and a bit more freedom you might enjoy.
Oh my goodness bless the heavens, my queen you have returned!!!!Why, when an AV actress leashes her pet slave and sits on his face she's called sexy or a babe, but when I do that to my pvp opponents, I'm called toxic?
Why, when someone swaps toons to a different faction to farm 25k AP for transmutes, it's seen as a bit of naughty fun, but when I delete my DC rank 50 Grand Overlord with 4000 hours clocked to create an EP Argonian, I'm called a faction swapper?
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thanoscopter✭✭✭thanoscopter wrote: »thanoscopter wrote: »Ice staff is pretty close to a sword and board. Really, the only thing it is missing is the major fracture and a little damage reduction. Other classes can provide major fracture anyway. Now a warden or nightblade tank can use an ice staff and provide major fracture with their class skills.
The leader was out of line and disrespected you when a true leader would have sent you private messages. Here's what I would have did OP. I would have put on Plague Doctor + another selfish set like Eternal Yokeda to maximize my own tankiness while not providing any group buffs to those guys. Take the warhorn off too. Finally, when they are wiping make sure you cast a selfish ult to survive a bit longer instead of rezzing them.
Yes please give the group another reason to kick him....because that is how you get kicked.
Why should he care about being kicked out of a run where the leader started off by publicly shaming him on voice chat without even talking it out with him privately? The leader already proved he was not that knowledgeable. He asked how he doesn't run out of magicka using an ice staff. The OP stacked magicka regen but another way to tank with an ice staff without running out of magicka is to not take the first destruction staff passive. If you don't take the first passive, you block with stamina on an ice staff...most tanks should know this.
I am well aware of how ice staves function, I do not know if hes previous leader did ( he also just may have tested him with questions. who knows).
But making the whole group angry because of the leader mocking him is not the way to address this. In the end he may get a bad reputation and wont find a group anymore to run trials. Well that is none of my business tough.
I can only repeat, what I already stated: Somebody not willing to wear specific sets, play a specific class or use specific skills to help out the group is not suited for vet trial environment. This may sound hard, but in this content players commit themselves to the group and adjusting your builds also belongs to that. If he thinks of that as cheese, then it is his own personnel problem.
Well, everyone makes mistakes, even the group leader. If no one stops the guild leader from putting others down in voice chat and forcing builds upon others then he will continue to do this.
It's kind of like if you order take out and they try to charge you 30 dollars for something the menu said costed 15 dollars. Do you trust the cashier and pay up or do you refer to the menu (the reference) and begin asking questions? The point is, the leader could have just not been lazy and looked at the destruction staff passives (the reference) or considered magicka regen which is the solution for running out of magicka. Ice staff tanking is not a new thing that came out last patch...
Giving out accurate information is important in a leadership role no matter the setting. There is also a distinction between insulting others and testing others. Pull the tank in a private channel and discuss the setup with them. Discuss what sets the tank has available to them and make recommendations, but the theatrics and dramatics in voice chat are really unnecessary if you want to be a leader.0 -
OblivionNW✭✭Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.7 -
alainjbrennanb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to sayMain character dk - Vanikifar whitestrike0 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭thanoscopter wrote: »thanoscopter wrote: »thanoscopter wrote: »Ice staff is pretty close to a sword and board. Really, the only thing it is missing is the major fracture and a little damage reduction. Other classes can provide major fracture anyway. Now a warden or nightblade tank can use an ice staff and provide major fracture with their class skills.
The leader was out of line and disrespected you when a true leader would have sent you private messages. Here's what I would have did OP. I would have put on Plague Doctor + another selfish set like Eternal Yokeda to maximize my own tankiness while not providing any group buffs to those guys. Take the warhorn off too. Finally, when they are wiping make sure you cast a selfish ult to survive a bit longer instead of rezzing them.
Yes please give the group another reason to kick him....because that is how you get kicked.
Why should he care about being kicked out of a run where the leader started off by publicly shaming him on voice chat without even talking it out with him privately? The leader already proved he was not that knowledgeable. He asked how he doesn't run out of magicka using an ice staff. The OP stacked magicka regen but another way to tank with an ice staff without running out of magicka is to not take the first destruction staff passive. If you don't take the first passive, you block with stamina on an ice staff...most tanks should know this.
I am well aware of how ice staves function, I do not know if hes previous leader did ( he also just may have tested him with questions. who knows).
But making the whole group angry because of the leader mocking him is not the way to address this. In the end he may get a bad reputation and wont find a group anymore to run trials. Well that is none of my business tough.
I can only repeat, what I already stated: Somebody not willing to wear specific sets, play a specific class or use specific skills to help out the group is not suited for vet trial environment. This may sound hard, but in this content players commit themselves to the group and adjusting your builds also belongs to that. If he thinks of that as cheese, then it is his own personnel problem.
Well, everyone makes mistakes, even the group leader. If no one stops the guild leader from putting others down in voice chat and forcing builds upon others then he will continue to do this.
It's kind of like if you order take out and they try to charge you 30 dollars for something the menu said costed 15 dollars. Do you trust the cashier and pay up or do you refer to the menu (the reference) and begin asking questions? The point is, the leader could have just not been lazy and looked at the destruction staff passives (the reference) or considered magicka regen which is the solution for running out of magicka. Ice staff tanking is not a new thing that came out last patch...
Giving out accurate information is important in a leadership role no matter the setting. There is also a distinction between insulting others and testing others. Pull the tank in a private channel and discuss the setup with them. Discuss what sets the tank has available to them and make recommendations, but the theatrics and dramatics in voice chat are really unnecessary if you want to be a leader.
I would have been ok with that approach and would have put on ebon if asked. I have several sets for group as well as sb.
But, I wont be bullied.
Checkmate, you remind of him a lot.1 -
kaevix✭✭✭OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
Hey dude, don't be rude, he isn't ignoring them, he's just shy!!Why, when an AV actress leashes her pet slave and sits on his face she's called sexy or a babe, but when I do that to my pvp opponents, I'm called toxic?
Why, when someone swaps toons to a different faction to farm 25k AP for transmutes, it's seen as a bit of naughty fun, but when I delete my DC rank 50 Grand Overlord with 4000 hours clocked to create an EP Argonian, I'm called a faction swapper?
Say no to censorship lads.0
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