mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »If I have to hear "Why arnt you wearing Ebon and Alkosh" One more time. Im gonna, IM GONNA ... probably do nothing, cause I really couldnt care less.
That is a different issue. Why is DPS burn the most important way to play? What happened to tactics or rewarding points for doing something different?
#pinballMachice
Luckylancer wrote: »All of them were dead and guess who was standing? - a trial tank
Good job bro! The solution to your problem is making build videos in youtube. if you can't beat it join it.
Delsanab14_ESO wrote: »In this game you have weaving, animation cancelling, and a few other factors. They in themselves are significant problems that allow people to feel like they're some great player.
Strip that out and you just have the abilities and positioning. It's been a problem for a long time but it's allowed people who can get good at memorizing particular click patterns to feel like they actually have any real skill and it's become a stickler not in terms of skill or understanding the right ability for the right time (granted there's so few abilities in this game it's laughable and many don't even get used anymore so that's a problem in itself) but simply doing what everyone else does and trying to memorize it. Zenimax should have learned their combat system and fixed it so weaving and animation cancelling wasn't a thing because it was never intended to be originally by their own admission.
We also get to DPS burn like OP said and we get to a point where we stop using mechanics and such and just expect to walk through them and (maybe it wasn't OP that said that) as a result people get angry or upset or pissy if they have to do mechanics which most of them HAVE NO IDEA how to do.
People don't even remember what the white flames in Elden Hollow II do anymore.
I swear I am losing track of this conversation, but that is a good point. Maybe part of issue is mechics can be skipped? Thud then limiting most effective options?
Its Cheese Trial Groups causing this whole Healer Tank wear sets to buff us.
No! Buff youreself.
Why do people rip on Alcast so much lately? Rip on players who get incorrectly elitist but Alcast has helped a lot of people start out and put a lot of time into it. You want to be the voice of diversity? Put out your own *** build page. He doesn’t claim to do anything but release OVERALL builds that will function the best the can over any dungeon or trial. He never says it’s the only way nor does he say it’s the absolute best in any given situation. Sheesh.
Alcast getting bad rap because we all know his name. He has my sympathies.
But yeah there's a lot of talk here that is this point it hard to say direction of this thread.
So let's sum it up alcast isn't the bad guy. It's other people using poor guy out of context. He activity encourages players and helps them.
Op just wanted to be just judged by not color of his build but the skill of his character.
The conversation went astray into elistism, competitist and mechs.
The direction of thread is
A) we need more effects options
B.) We need different ways to judge effectiveness
C) How do we decide when a build is a burden to a team?
@Checkmath I would double check original post. Op is simply ranting about be excluded from content and how it's not fair.
As a class rep the note you might want to make is status of ice staff tanking and perception of community..
Also @Alcast OP didn't mean any harm or so I think.
Alcast has good builds.
My point was the last thing he said
There is more than one way.
Luckylancer wrote: »All of them were dead and guess who was standing? - a trial tank
Good job bro! The solution to your problem is making build videos in youtube. if you can't beat it join it.
mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »If I have to hear "Why arnt you wearing Ebon and Alkosh" One more time. Im gonna, IM GONNA ... probably do nothing, cause I really couldnt care less.
That is a different issue. Why is DPS burn the most important way to play? What happened to tactics or rewarding points for doing something different?
#pinballMachice
Why bother doing mechanics if you can just skip them, rotations are so simple and way easier to learn than the actual mechanics, thanks to powercreep.
If you arent completely mechanically handicapped you can pull more than enough dps, even in sub optimal setups, to burn through most mechanics nowadays.
Why do people rip on Alcast so much lately? Rip on players who get incorrectly elitist but Alcast has helped a lot of people start out and put a lot of time into it. You want to be the voice of diversity? Put out your own *** build page. He doesn’t claim to do anything but release OVERALL builds that will function the best the can over any dungeon or trial. He never says it’s the only way nor does he say it’s the absolute best in any given situation. Sheesh.
Alcast getting bad rap because we all know his name. He has my sympathies.
But yeah there's a lot of talk here that is this point it hard to say direction of this thread.
So let's sum it up alcast isn't the bad guy. It's other people using poor guy out of context. He activity encourages players and helps them.
Op just wanted to be just judged by not color of his build but the skill of his character.
The conversation went astray into elistism, competitist and mechs.
The direction of thread is
A) we need more effects options
B.) We need different ways to judge effectiveness
C) How do we decide when a build is a burden to a team?
@Checkmath I would double check original post. Op is simply ranting about be excluded from content and how it's not fair.
As a class rep the note you might want to make is status of ice staff tanking and perception of community..
Also @Alcast OP didn't mean any harm or so I think.
Alcast has good builds.
My point was the last thing he said
There is more than one way.
What Alcast mostly meant with his last sentence is, that builds vary from situation to situation. That is why the elite group change setups between boss fights. There is no BIS build for everything, but there is BIS for a certain situation. Sure it is not the only way, there are multiple options. But some options generally perform worse than others (just mathematics).Luckylancer wrote: »All of them were dead and guess who was standing? - a trial tank
Good job bro! The solution to your problem is making build videos in youtube. if you can't beat it join it.
Maybe all died because he did not wear the ebony set
LukosCreyden wrote: »Yet another fascinating thread. Why are these arguments even happening?
If you are unsure or lacking in time, take a build from a trusted source and go from there. All there is to it, really.
I get that people like to vent their frustrations, but complaining about that one salty person who didn't like your build isn't going to do anything. Just move on and find another group to run with.
I think OP is just butthurt cause no Progression trial Guild will use him as main tank cause of his Frost tank build wich offers nothing to the group.
Guess what op, there are better builds out there and sure there are more ways but only one way is the best one. Get used to it or search for another game.
I think OP is just butthurt cause no Progression trial Guild will use him as main tank cause of his Frost tank build wich offers nothing to the group.
Guess what op, there are better builds out there and sure there are more ways but only one way is the best one. Get used to it or search for another game.
I think maybe you cant read or you didnt even take the time to read the thread.
Also, I dont have to do anything. I pay for the game, and you or no one else are going to tell me how to play.
If you dont like it, you go find another game.
I think OP is just butthurt cause no Progression trial Guild will use him as main tank cause of his Frost tank build wich offers nothing to the group.
Guess what op, there are better builds out there and sure there are more ways but only one way is the best one. Get used to it or search for another game.
I think maybe you cant read or you didnt even take the time to read the thread.
Also, I dont have to do anything. I pay for the game, and you or no one else are going to tell me how to play.
Take youre own advice. If you dont like it, you go find another game.
Well I'm gunna ask a question here...
Why do people with unique builds think they're demigods in this game who only act superior and can't be bothered to help?
I like to explore different possibilities and while I do my own research, I ask people who don't follow mainstream builds what they're using and why and what I could do better.
But more often than not I meet with an excessively aggressive and narcissistic approach from these players, refusing to give out any details and/or advice, often resorting to mocking or even bullying if "pushed" by questions. Why is this?
Don't be surprised that there's ever-growing hate to be had in the community if this is the way we communicate with each other.
You can all come a attack me persoanlly all you want. The more, the better. I love it. Lol.
The fact of the matter is, theyre more people out their who are tired of being told they have to run a Youtube Build and If you are a healer or tank, you have to wear a set to help cheese dps numbers
More and more people are speaking up on this issue sooner than later it will be addressed. People are growing tired cheese.Well I'm gunna ask a question here...
Why do people with unique builds think they're demigods in this game who only act superior and can't be bothered to help?
I like to explore different possibilities and while I do my own research, I ask people who don't follow mainstream builds what they're using and why and what I could do better.
But more often than not I meet with an excessively aggressive and narcissistic approach from these players, refusing to give out any details and/or advice, often resorting to mocking or even bullying if "pushed" by questions. Why is this?
Don't be surprised that there's ever-growing hate to be had in the community if this is the way we communicate with each other.
Oh. Thats bs. I dont think that at all. But you cant be humble to people who want to berrate you.
I dont use bis. Dont want to. The hate come from Youtube Build Users.
I would much rather enjoy ea hithers. Company which i often do because I dont play with people like that guild leader.
Could Replace a set with NMG. Problem Solved thats easy.
Major Breach, Ele Drain
When you say buff the group, you really want to say "buff dps"
That right there really fires me up. Like the game is wrapped around dps. If dps want more burn, they should buff themselves. Dps dont get to determine what Tanks and Healer wear.
Just because these so called competition groups have found ways to cheese a trial does not mean it the responsibility of the tank or healer to buff the group. This is nothing more than cheese.
You dont see tanks and healers asking dps to taunt a boss, or mitigate damage or heal the group
Theyre 2 other roles who are just as important.
Imo these are not competition level groups. These are cheese trial groups with dps who sacrifice 2 other roles
No thanks bro.
MartiniDaniels wrote: »You all missing key point of all this - this thread won't happen if ice staff was not so inferior to s&b. When devs introduced ice staff it inspired some people for ice tanking and ice builds.. and when they created and honed those builds, they find that this builds are "garbage".
There were dozens of threads with simple solutions to this like additional morph to ele or changes to inner rage - but devs don't even discuss it. Pierce armor is so powerful skill so any tank without it is much weaker by default.
This idea that only builds from youtube From Alcast and Asian are the only builds that can work in the game, is an assertion of idiocy.
I cant believe how infected the community has become by this idea.
There are sooo many different ways to reach the dps, healing and tanking in this game people.
We really need to turn this around. I recently had some guy tell me in Cloudrest that my tank build was a trash build and I should off tank. I was on with a Sorc Magika Tank with frost staff. He mocked me while I was off mic as he said "I want to be different and not use a build from youtube" (voiced in sarcastic non masculine voice)
I was flabbergasted by the sheer stupidity of this guild leader. I then mic'ed up and asked him, "why is this a trash build?"
He responded, "how are you going to taunt when you get interrupted with staff HA?" I responded, "Um inner fire"
He then asked, "when you run out of magika?" I said "I dont because my recover is at 1800 and I have tri pots and conversion"
Then the last thing I said to him was this,
"Youre an idiot who is incapable of thinking for yourself. You should listen to how stupid you sound when you say that a "Youtube Build" is the only way to get the job done. I feel sorry for youre guild because you hold them back.
My builds are better than youtube.
They all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
I ended it with this, I could pick you up. But Inwont tank for an idiot.
Then I left.
Guys, Gals, if you are going to watch youtube, please study "The where" and "The Why" something works. Analyze the build in separate elements. The builds are for illustrative purposesonly.
Not one Youtube says this is the only way.
I have seen a lot of builds from people who value theyre builds soo much, they refuse to put the build on youtube. Its okay to think for yourself. Its okay to design youre own build as long as it is effective .
Well I'm gunna ask a question here...
Why do people with unique builds think they're demigods in this game who only act superior and can't be bothered to help?
I like to explore different possibilities and while I do my own research, I ask people who don't follow mainstream builds what they're using and why and what I could do better.
But more often than not I meet with an excessively aggressive and narcissistic approach from these players, refusing to give out any details and/or advice on their builds, often resorting to mocking or even bullying if "pushed" by questions. Or worse... They try to lie about their setups and tell you they use a YouTube build (even if you obviously know better) just to make you go away. Why is this?
Don't be surprised that there's ever-growing hate to be had in the community if this is the way we communicate with each other after asking for help.
The fact of the matter is, theyre more people out their who are tired of being told they have to run a Youtube Build and If you are a healer or tank, you have to wear a set to help cheese dps numbers
DivineFirstYOLO wrote: »
Could Replace a set with NMG. Problem Solved thats easy.
Major Breach, Ele Drain
When you say buff the group, you really want to say "buff dps"
That right there really fires me up. Like the game is wrapped around dps. If dps want more burn, they should buff themselves. Dps dont get to determine what Tanks and Healer wear.
Just because these so called competition groups have found ways to cheese a trial does not mean it the responsibility of the tank or healer to buff the group. This is nothing more than cheese.
You dont see tanks and healers asking dps to taunt a boss, or mitigate damage or heal the group
Theyre 2 other roles who are just as important.
Imo these are not competition level groups. These are cheese trial groups with dps who sacrifice 2 other roles
No thanks bro.
LMAO, I want to see you clear any of the newer trial HMs with that attitude.
Actually..nevermind.. you won't find a group that wants to play with you to begin with. #doyoueventeamplay
You can all come a attack me persoanlly all you want. The more, the better. I love it. Lol.
The fact of the matter is, theyre more people out their who are tired of being told they have to run a Youtube Build and If you are a healer or tank, you have to wear a set to help cheese dps numbers
More and more people are speaking up on this issue sooner than later it will be addressed. People are growing tired cheese.Well I'm gunna ask a question here...
Why do people with unique builds think they're demigods in this game who only act superior and can't be bothered to help?
I like to explore different possibilities and while I do my own research, I ask people who don't follow mainstream builds what they're using and why and what I could do better.
But more often than not I meet with an excessively aggressive and narcissistic approach from these players, refusing to give out any details and/or advice, often resorting to mocking or even bullying if "pushed" by questions. Why is this?
Don't be surprised that there's ever-growing hate to be had in the community if this is the way we communicate with each other.
Oh. Thats bs. I dont think that at all. But you cant be humble to people who want to berrate you.
I dont use bis. Dont want to. The hate come from Youtube Build Users.
I would much rather enjoy ea hithers. Company which i often do because I dont play with people like that guild leader.
You can all come a attack me persoanlly all you want. The more, the better. I love it. Lol.
The fact of the matter is, theyre more people out their who are tired of being told they have to run a Youtube Build and If you are a healer or tank, you have to wear a set to help cheese dps numbers
More and more people are speaking up on this issue sooner than later it will be addressed. People are growing tired cheese.Well I'm gunna ask a question here...
Why do people with unique builds think they're demigods in this game who only act superior and can't be bothered to help?
I like to explore different possibilities and while I do my own research, I ask people who don't follow mainstream builds what they're using and why and what I could do better.
But more often than not I meet with an excessively aggressive and narcissistic approach from these players, refusing to give out any details and/or advice, often resorting to mocking or even bullying if "pushed" by questions. Why is this?
Don't be surprised that there's ever-growing hate to be had in the community if this is the way we communicate with each other.
Oh. Thats bs. I dont think that at all. But you cant be humble to people who want to berrate you.
I dont use bis. Dont want to. The hate come from Youtube Build Users.
I would much rather enjoy ea hithers. Company which i often do because I dont play with people like that guild leader.
alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »This idea that only builds from youtube From Alcast and Asian are the only builds that can work in the game, is an assertion of idiocy.
I cant believe how infected the community has become by this idea.
There are sooo many different ways to reach the dps, healing and tanking in this game people.
We really need to turn this around. I recently had some guy tell me in Cloudrest that my tank build was a trash build and I should off tank. I was on with a Sorc Magika Tank with frost staff. He mocked me while I was off mic as he said "I want to be different and not use a build from youtube" (voiced in sarcastic non masculine voice)
I was flabbergasted by the sheer stupidity of this guild leader. I then mic'ed up and asked him, "why is this a trash build?"
He responded, "how are you going to taunt when you get interrupted with staff HA?" I responded, "Um inner fire"
He then asked, "when you run out of magika?" I said "I dont because my recover is at 1800 and I have tri pots and conversion"
Then the last thing I said to him was this,
"Youre an idiot who is incapable of thinking for yourself. You should listen to how stupid you sound when you say that a "Youtube Build" is the only way to get the job done. I feel sorry for youre guild because you hold them back.
My builds are better than youtube.
They all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
I ended it with this, I could pick you up. But Inwont tank for an idiot.
Then I left.
Guys, Gals, if you are going to watch youtube, please study "The where" and "The Why" something works. Analyze the build in separate elements. The builds are for illustrative purposesonly.
Not one Youtube says this is the only way.
I have seen a lot of builds from people who value theyre builds soo much, they refuse to put the build on youtube. Its okay to think for yourself. Its okay to design youre own build as long as it is effective .
its because you get lambasted, i put up a healer build on utube and really got lambasted at
alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »This idea that only builds from youtube From Alcast and Asian are the only builds that can work in the game, is an assertion of idiocy.
I cant believe how infected the community has become by this idea.
There are sooo many different ways to reach the dps, healing and tanking in this game people.
We really need to turn this around. I recently had some guy tell me in Cloudrest that my tank build was a trash build and I should off tank. I was on with a Sorc Magika Tank with frost staff. He mocked me while I was off mic as he said "I want to be different and not use a build from youtube" (voiced in sarcastic non masculine voice)
I was flabbergasted by the sheer stupidity of this guild leader. I then mic'ed up and asked him, "why is this a trash build?"
He responded, "how are you going to taunt when you get interrupted with staff HA?" I responded, "Um inner fire"
He then asked, "when you run out of magika?" I said "I dont because my recover is at 1800 and I have tri pots and conversion"
Then the last thing I said to him was this,
"Youre an idiot who is incapable of thinking for yourself. You should listen to how stupid you sound when you say that a "Youtube Build" is the only way to get the job done. I feel sorry for youre guild because you hold them back.
My builds are better than youtube.
They all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
I ended it with this, I could pick you up. But Inwont tank for an idiot.
Then I left.
Guys, Gals, if you are going to watch youtube, please study "The where" and "The Why" something works. Analyze the build in separate elements. The builds are for illustrative purposesonly.
Not one Youtube says this is the only way.
I have seen a lot of builds from people who value theyre builds soo much, they refuse to put the build on youtube. Its okay to think for yourself. Its okay to design youre own build as long as it is effective .
its because you get lambasted, i put up a healer build on utube and really got lambasted at
Sorry. I could not understand youre post
You can all come a attack me persoanlly all you want. The more, the better. I love it. Lol.
The fact of the matter is, theyre more people out their who are tired of being told they have to run a Youtube Build and If you are a healer or tank, you have to wear a set to help cheese dps numbers
More and more people are speaking up on this issue sooner than later it will be addressed. People are growing tired cheese.Well I'm gunna ask a question here...
Why do people with unique builds think they're demigods in this game who only act superior and can't be bothered to help?
I like to explore different possibilities and while I do my own research, I ask people who don't follow mainstream builds what they're using and why and what I could do better.
But more often than not I meet with an excessively aggressive and narcissistic approach from these players, refusing to give out any details and/or advice, often resorting to mocking or even bullying if "pushed" by questions. Why is this?
Don't be surprised that there's ever-growing hate to be had in the community if this is the way we communicate with each other.
Oh. Thats bs. I dont think that at all. But you cant be humble to people who want to berrate you.
I dont use bis. Dont want to. The hate come from Youtube Build Users.
I would much rather enjoy ea hithers. Company which i often do because I dont play with people like that guild leader.
Yeah I'm not targeting you or anyone here. Just speaking in general. I've been trying to get a unique great working build for months. The freedom is why I like ESO. I just feel really bad when I get a response like "Gahahaha you bad. Go F urself scrub" after asking what the person has. /shrug
alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »This idea that only builds from youtube From Alcast and Asian are the only builds that can work in the game, is an assertion of idiocy.
I cant believe how infected the community has become by this idea.
There are sooo many different ways to reach the dps, healing and tanking in this game people.
We really need to turn this around. I recently had some guy tell me in Cloudrest that my tank build was a trash build and I should off tank. I was on with a Sorc Magika Tank with frost staff. He mocked me while I was off mic as he said "I want to be different and not use a build from youtube" (voiced in sarcastic non masculine voice)
I was flabbergasted by the sheer stupidity of this guild leader. I then mic'ed up and asked him, "why is this a trash build?"
He responded, "how are you going to taunt when you get interrupted with staff HA?" I responded, "Um inner fire"
He then asked, "when you run out of magika?" I said "I dont because my recover is at 1800 and I have tri pots and conversion"
Then the last thing I said to him was this,
"Youre an idiot who is incapable of thinking for yourself. You should listen to how stupid you sound when you say that a "Youtube Build" is the only way to get the job done. I feel sorry for youre guild because you hold them back.
My builds are better than youtube.
They all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
I ended it with this, I could pick you up. But Inwont tank for an idiot.
Then I left.
Guys, Gals, if you are going to watch youtube, please study "The where" and "The Why" something works. Analyze the build in separate elements. The builds are for illustrative purposesonly.
Not one Youtube says this is the only way.
I have seen a lot of builds from people who value theyre builds soo much, they refuse to put the build on youtube. Its okay to think for yourself. Its okay to design youre own build as long as it is effective .
its because you get lambasted, i put up a healer build on utube and really got lambasted at
Sorry. I could not understand youre post