DK,s are my nemesis, i hate those flapping wings.

I learnt one massive rule years ago...








Mmorpg pvp is a massive joke, just ignore it and play the real content...

It sounded more like his group was fighting a magplar tank :P Just saying. With seducer+transmutation and bloodspawn theyre hard to kill, you need a NB with fear to drop them, spam fear and he cant tank. Toss in bleeds and he will be gone. A solo magblade can do that I guess.

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Creationofgod wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Well judging by your wording and your statement this seems like a lack of knowledge issue.

You say you occasionally go in there. This person may be a very experienced player with a tried and true build. They might fight outnumbered all day against other moderately experienced players. Which means any thing less is a cake walk.

well maybe you would be so kind to explain us "noobs" out here what kind of build can do this and how people like me can counter such build ?

share the knowledge

Depending on the combined (in)experience between the 6 of you, it could have just been a normal DK that was comfortable relying on their basic heals to outheal the incoming damage, or a dedicated tank that you found alone and couldn't do anything against without proper group synergy. Sometimes the solution isn't a change of build but to "grow up" in-game so you can come back and fight the big boys on more even footing. For a veteran, a 1v6 against green players is a whole lot easier than a 1v2 against evenly matched players.

6 v 1 for six minutes...should not be possible

as someone who play defense on a soccer team, I will tell you that in order to defend successfully you need people to depend upon. 6 v 1 is not balanced.

you're delusional if you think this should even be possible.

I get that OP doesn't have great grammar and kind of makes typos...

defense needs to scale with the resources available to a defender. 1 goalie may be able to defend an entire goal alone against upwards of 3 players, given that they are only given a window of a second before the rest of the defense reactivates.

you clearly have no idea how competitive PvP works. Unless these were 6 CP 160s in CP 30 gear who didn't know about skill other than light attack, this entire scenario is complete ***.

I want to highlight your condescension, because you're taking a problem OP brought to these forums and telling him that he is the problem.

If the best goalie in the world were to be given the task of defending the goal for 6 minutes against 6 random players from around the world who play soccer with any regularity, given continuous opportunity a goal would be made in less than a minute 99% of the time.

in my mind 2 defenders can counter upwards of 5 players, on a regular basis given that they are world class and don't get tired, also bearing in mind that they have time to recover when they repossess the ball and pass it to their strikers up field.

the amount of sheer physical effort it requires to defend when you're outnumbered is NOT remotely reflected in this game.
2 v 4 is realistic again given the constraint of about 30 seconds that this effort is needed to be maintained.

attacking on an equal defense may require a ton of skill but it requires far less effort than defending.

3 v 11 is fully possible in the football/soccer world. I'd even put my money on my team to defend at those odds to moderate success.

tl;dr 6 people freecasting on 1 person for 6 minutes and you're lecturing about how they need to git gud KEK

heavier wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Creationofgod wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Well judging by your wording and your statement this seems like a lack of knowledge issue.

You say you occasionally go in there. This person may be a very experienced player with a tried and true build. They might fight outnumbered all day against other moderately experienced players. Which means any thing less is a cake walk.

well maybe you would be so kind to explain us "noobs" out here what kind of build can do this and how people like me can counter such build ?

share the knowledge

Depending on the combined (in)experience between the 6 of you, it could have just been a normal DK that was comfortable relying on their basic heals to outheal the incoming damage, or a dedicated tank that you found alone and couldn't do anything against without proper group synergy. Sometimes the solution isn't a change of build but to "grow up" in-game so you can come back and fight the big boys on more even footing. For a veteran, a 1v6 against green players is a whole lot easier than a 1v2 against evenly matched players.

6 v 1 for six minutes...should not be possible

as someone who play defense on a soccer team, I will tell you that in order to defend successfully you need people to depend upon. 6 v 1 is not balanced.

you're delusional if you think this should even be possible.

I get that OP doesn't have great grammar and kind of makes typos...

defense needs to scale with the resources available to a defender. 1 goalie may be able to defend an entire goal alone against upwards of 3 players, given that they are only given a window of a second before the rest of the defense reactivates.

you clearly have no idea how competitive PvP works. Unless these were 6 CP 160s in CP 30 gear who didn't know about skill other than light attack, this entire scenario is complete ***.

I want to highlight your condescension, because you're taking a problem OP brought to these forums and telling him that he is the problem.

If the best goalie in the world were to be given the task of defending the goal for 6 minutes against 6 random players from around the world who play soccer with any regularity, given continuous opportunity a goal would be made in less than a minute 99% of the time.

in my mind 2 defenders can counter upwards of 5 players, on a regular basis given that they are world class and don't get tired, also bearing in mind that they have time to recover when they repossess the ball and pass it to their strikers up field.

the amount of sheer physical effort it requires to defend when you're outnumbered is NOT remotely reflected in this game.
2 v 4 is realistic again given the constraint of about 30 seconds that this effort is needed to be maintained.

attacking on an equal defense may require a ton of skill but it requires far less effort than defending.

3 v 11 is fully possible in the football/soccer world. I'd even put my money on my team to defend at those odds to moderate success.

tl;dr 6 people freecasting on 1 person for 6 minutes and you're lecturing about how they need to git gud KEK

Comparing ESO PvP to any real-world competitive sport is futile because there isn't a universal standard for combat in Cyrodiil. Your entire example is assuming you're going against semi-competent players of the sport. Assume for even a second that you're instead going against toddlers that barely know how to walk. Suddenly a 1v6, 1v12, even a 2v24 in that scenario is suddenly a whole lot more comparable to what can happen in Cyrodiil.

The OP asked what type of build could accomplish this and to "share the knowledge", so I provided two possible scenarios, one that assumed the OP was playing alongside people that sort of knew how to play, and the other that assumed the OP was playing alongside brand new players. The OP even said in their first sentence they aren't an avid PvP player, and that they rarely hop into Vivec, the go-to campaign for when you just want to hop into a zerg for easy AP. The only "problem" presented in the post was an inability to kill a player with allies (with no combat specifics given), and the solution to that problem is, generally, to get better at the game. It's a situation that happens fairly regularly to people unfamiliar with the nature of PvP in ESO. The mindset that a player should be predestined to lose just because the other team has greater numbers is a flawed line of thinking preventing many newer players from developing their own abilities.

heavier wrote: »

Alpheu5 wrote: »

Creationofgod wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Well judging by your wording and your statement this seems like a lack of knowledge issue.

You say you occasionally go in there. This person may be a very experienced player with a tried and true build. They might fight outnumbered all day against other moderately experienced players. Which means any thing less is a cake walk.

well maybe you would be so kind to explain us "noobs" out here what kind of build can do this and how people like me can counter such build ?

share the knowledge

Depending on the combined (in)experience between the 6 of you, it could have just been a normal DK that was comfortable relying on their basic heals to outheal the incoming damage, or a dedicated tank that you found alone and couldn't do anything against without proper group synergy. Sometimes the solution isn't a change of build but to "grow up" in-game so you can come back and fight the big boys on more even footing. For a veteran, a 1v6 against green players is a whole lot easier than a 1v2 against evenly matched players.

6 v 1 for six minutes...should not be possible

as someone who play defense on a soccer team, I will tell you that in order to defend successfully you need people to depend upon. 6 v 1 is not balanced.

you're delusional if you think this should even be possible.

I get that OP doesn't have great grammar and kind of makes typos...

defense needs to scale with the resources available to a defender. 1 goalie may be able to defend an entire goal alone against upwards of 3 players, given that they are only given a window of a second before the rest of the defense reactivates.

you clearly have no idea how competitive PvP works. Unless these were 6 CP 160s in CP 30 gear who didn't know about skill other than light attack, this entire scenario is complete ***.

I want to highlight your condescension, because you're taking a problem OP brought to these forums and telling him that he is the problem.

If the best goalie in the world were to be given the task of defending the goal for 6 minutes against 6 random players from around the world who play soccer with any regularity, given continuous opportunity a goal would be made in less than a minute 99% of the time.

in my mind 2 defenders can counter upwards of 5 players, on a regular basis given that they are world class and don't get tired, also bearing in mind that they have time to recover when they repossess the ball and pass it to their strikers up field.

the amount of sheer physical effort it requires to defend when you're outnumbered is NOT remotely reflected in this game.
2 v 4 is realistic again given the constraint of about 30 seconds that this effort is needed to be maintained.

attacking on an equal defense may require a ton of skill but it requires far less effort than defending.

3 v 11 is fully possible in the football/soccer world. I'd even put my money on my team to defend at those odds to moderate success.

tl;dr 6 people freecasting on 1 person for 6 minutes and you're lecturing about how they need to git gud KEK

I think soccer is not the greatest analogy to ESo PVP, because the goal is different. Wrestling would be more appropriate. A great wrestler can beat 6 inexperienced wrestlers simultaneously in a wrestling match. The great wrestler would have harder time with a couple of good wrestlers and in a great vs great situation, the match would be quite equal.

Or fist fights would be good analogy also: you could relatively easily beat 6 or more kids in a fight, but a fight against a person with a similar physique would be harder.