Motivation to do Veteran Content

HallowedUndead · December 2018

Rontabs77 wrote: »

I could not find a motivation to do veteran content, specifically veteran trials, specially the craglorn ones. Maybe it's time to increase the gold reward for completing such activities. How about 100K gold per veteran trial completed? Eh? Just a suggestion.

Best regards,
Rontabs77

100K is WAY too high. Vet Hel Ra can take 30 minutes with a good group. Such a high reward along with a gold jewelry piece you already get is not a change i'd like to see. You get 12 plunder from Hel Ra, equivalent to 12K gold. You can sell the jewelry, or deconstruct it for a chance at chromium grain. Conclusion, such a high increase in the already rewarding stage of vet trials is not a good idea.

This is my opinion, that's all

karekiz · December 2018

At 100K a run potion prices and mats according to them would skyrocket to meet the new EZ currency.

Also DLC dungeons are quite fine. Excluding the odd ball trash in Moonhunter keep, it hasn't hit the levels of BS I saw in TSW penthouse NM.

lazerlaz · December 2018

Been playing since launch, hardcore pvper, I've only ever done dragonstar for the bow. Could absolutely care less on anything else, never done them, never cared too.

Every reward that exists is garbage.

Rontabs77 · March 2019

Hello all, apologies for necro'ing my own thread but I have been doing veteran trials and now I agree that, yes, the 12k plunder is adequate, and farming gear is not such a bad activity.

Also, the camaraderie that is built with your teammates is a great reward too, specially if you all are aligned in wanting to be in the leader boards.

Best regards,
Rontabs

russelmmendoza · March 2019

Sira ulo ka ron, ang lupet mo dun sa hrc run natin.

Ang taas ng dps mo, lintek ka, kaingit.

Ngayon, humuhugot ka pa ng ganyan.

Langya ka, wala na ba wenta trials sayo, lol.

Universe · March 2019

How about 1K Tempering Alloy in addition to the 100K gold if we are at it ?

There is no need to make the content that 0.001% of the player base can complete far too much rewarding.
Just play for fun and for the current rewards

Rontabs77 wrote: »

Hello all, apologies for necro'ing my own thread but I have been doing veteran trials and now I agree that, yes, the 12k plunder is adequate, and farming gear is not such a bad activity.

Also, the camaraderie that is built with your teammates is a great reward too, specially if you all are aligned in wanting to be in the leader boards.

Best regards,
Rontabs

Nice

Enjoy!

Nerouyn · March 2019

Rontabs77 wrote: »

I could not find a motivation to do veteran content, specifically veteran trials, specially the craglorn ones. Maybe it's time to increase the gold reward for completing such activities. How about 100K gold per veteran trial completed? Eh? Just a suggestion.

Increasing rewards might get a few extra people playing the content but it's a cheap and nasty fix. If they want the game to prosper and grow, they need to offer end game content which more players enjoy.

This is a game. It's meant to be fun.

GW2 applied this cheap and nasty fix to their dungeons. Having originally done away with the trinity - quite loudly and proudly - dungeons were reduced to a melee DPS-fest. Yawn. But the shinies were good.

Did people actually play the dungeon content? No. Speed / stealth runs skipping past nearly every mob in dungeons became the norm. Just kill bosses. Get sweet loot.

At one point they reduced the rewards for dungeons because they wanted players to do their new raids instead. Players were not at all happy. They'd grown accustomed to their speed / stealth runs for sweet loot and didn't care to try the new stuff at all. The devs were forced to return the sweet loot to dungeons. No joy there. Just rewards.

By all accounts, the game is not in great shape. And this was a famously successful game at launch. Not just according to their own PR, like ESO, but truly successful. Being a publicly listed company, NCSoft have to publish detailed financials. GW2 made big profits in an industry where failure is the norm.

RogueShark · March 2019

If you don't enjoy the trials then don't do them. Why would you do optional activities in an optional game that you feel stressed out about? If you need gear (for pvp or something) or want to try and clear them, there's motivation, but hopefully, your desire for the gear/clear is higher than the lack of fun.
It's a game. Play the parts of it that you find fun.

I don't really enjoy dungeons anymore at my point in the game. I do them for the challenger achieves and then, unless I need gear or someone I know needs gear or wants achieves, I never set foot in them. It's like pulling teeth to even get me to do pledges; they just aren't fun to me anymore. So I don't do 'em.

VDoom1 · March 2019

Well there are certain cool veteran rewards. For example the skins, they are pretty cool.

Then there is always a chance for better gear, motifs, recipes etc. And of course just having some fun, if you got a nice group or do it with a guild.

D0PAMINE · March 2019

My first Vet runs were a Duo vDS II where I was heals and DPS. Now I run them both Solo and Duo Hardmode for the challange.

code65536 · March 2019

Nerouyn wrote: »

Rontabs77 wrote: »

I could not find a motivation to do veteran content, specifically veteran trials, specially the craglorn ones. Maybe it's time to increase the gold reward for completing such activities. How about 100K gold per veteran trial completed? Eh? Just a suggestion.

Increasing rewards might get a few extra people playing the content but it's a cheap and nasty fix.

QFT. If your only reason to run a piece of content for the gear or the loot, then you're running the content for the wrong reasons. Yes, the rewards are a nice sweetener. But the challenge and the satisfaction of beating that challenge should be your reward.

John_Falstaff wrote: »

there are cringe-inducing things that don't leave "I mastered it" sense like vSP or vCoS HM - rather, the sense is "I was just lucky not to bump into three closed doors in a row".

You can get lucky and get easy mechanics. But having a strategy to reliably handle the mechanics every time, even when luck isn't there to help you out is the real source of satisfaction.

True mastery of vCoS HM means that you don't care how bad your door RNG is, because you know that you will always reliably clear the maze, even if you get the worst possible luck with doors.

In Frostvault HM, even if you get the worst possible luck with conveyor locations and spider spawns, with practice and the right strategy, you can always clear the skeevaton phase with 30-60 seconds to spare, and getting to that point is what makes it fun.

Rontabs77 · March 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Sira ulo ka ron, ang lupet mo dun sa hrc run natin.

Ang taas ng dps mo, lintek ka, kaingit.

Ngayon, humuhugot ka pa ng ganyan.

Langya ka, wala na ba wenta trials sayo, lol.

@russelmmendoza

dazee · March 2019

The perfect versions of the gear is already too much. I'd much rather it give gold. one of the draws of ESO used to be you can get some of the best gear just from dungeons, they ruined that, thanks ZOS.

Rontabs77 · March 2019

dazee wrote: »

The perfect versions of the gear is already too much. I'd much rather it give gold. one of the draws of ESO used to be you can get some of the best gear just from dungeons, they ruined that, thanks ZOS.

That too was my initial impression @dazee , but I discovered along the way that having fun with the group is a great reward in itself.

Danksta · March 2019

Even the plebiest of plebs can do Crags in 30 mins. All this would do is flood the market with gold and make it so it doesn't go as far.

Androconium · March 2019

Strychnos wrote: »

This is a confusing question to me. Why do you need a big reward for completing veteran content? The reward is that it’s fun! You have to learn and coordinate with other people to do it, which is an enjoyable experience (at least for me).

If the content isn’t fun, then do different content, or play another game that you do enjoy.

Hmmm. Yes, yes. Hmmm.

I have the banker assistant.
I should get 1million gold every Friday.
Please use same logic as supplied by OP.

lillybit · March 2019

Tasear wrote: »

What makes doing something hard fun for you?

Is it the sense of achievement and pride?

Is learning how to work with group?

Is it the mechics? Do you enjoy the mind or skill challenge?

Is it the profits that allow you love a better ESO life?

Maybe it ablity to show off skin or title?

What engages you? What makes you happy or fullifilled?

It's a little bit of most of these.

I love the challenge of tricky mechanics and the feeling of accomplishment when you've nailed it. It's a bit frustrating when those mechanics are joined to one-shots but I guess that makes it feel better when you get through it. I love earning new skins and titles even tho I don't often use them - mostly I just stick with my Librarian title!

It's also great working together with a good group and helping each other complete content.

So much content is just stack and burn now, it gets kind of boring after a while, so it's nice to have things that take a bit more coordination and teamwork

Hallothiel · March 2019

Danksta wrote: »

Even the plebiest of plebs can do Crags in 30 mins. All this would do is flood the market with gold and make it so it doesn't go as far.

Nice attitude.

Most players in the game don’t come anywhere near normal trials let alone vet/hm. Suggesting that they are plebs for not being able to do it in 30mins doesn’t help encourage people to try.

And then people complain that Zos don’t create new harder trials - why would they, when hardly anyone does them?

Androconium · March 2019

Hallothiel wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Even the plebiest of plebs can do Crags in 30 mins. All this would do is flood the market with gold and make it so it doesn't go as far.

Nice attitude.

Most players in the game don’t come anywhere near normal trials let alone vet/hm. Suggesting that they are plebs for not being able to do it in 30mins doesn’t help encourage people to try.

And then people complain that Zos don’t create new harder trials - why would they, when hardly anyone does them?

This.

p00tx · March 2019

Try doing them on Hardmode. The Craglorn trials aren't that much more difficult on hm than regular vet, and you get two pieces of gold jewelry guaranteed plus a gold trophy that can be sold for 10K and 12K in sellable plunder. Plunder runs can be pretty valuable once you get them down.

Girl_Number8 · March 2019

Rontabs77 wrote: »

I could not find a motivation to do veteran content, specifically veteran trials, specially the craglorn ones. Maybe it's time to increase the gold reward for completing such activities. How about 100K gold per veteran trial completed? Eh? Just a suggestion.

Best regards,
Rontabs77

Sell carries at 800k for skins or gear if your motivation is gold. For me it is a fun thing to do and great for keeping our guild activite in different areas of the game.

Odovacar · March 2019

Everyone should play the way they like ...whatever works for you OP!

Jeirno · March 2019

Rontabs77 wrote: »

I could not find a motivation to do veteran content, specifically veteran trials, specially the craglorn ones. Maybe it's time to increase the gold reward for completing such activities. How about 100K gold per veteran trial completed? Eh? Just a suggestion.

Best regards,
Rontabs77

So the people who does veteran trials a lot, like me. Will be insane rich. under 20min to do vAA, do a few per day and be rich. Economy would be broken after that, new players couldn't afford anything in the guild stores.

A strong NO.