CrimsonGTX wrote: »

FO76 is literally Fallout 4 with a new map and no official mod support.

I played FO76 and I think some things are valid criticism, while some are just overreacting, It's not a bad game and it's not a great game....It's just an ok game that would've been better off released as a FO4 expansion a year or so ago for like $20.

To me this is a telling statement. FO76 cannot be a FO4 expansion. The FO4 engine cannot handle what FO76 does. You are not the first to suggest something along these lines, and that tells me that BGS has failed to differentiate FO4 from FO76 enough. If others are thinking that it is too expensive for something that is basically a FO4 DLC or Expansion, I can see troubled waters ahead.

CrimsonGTX wrote: »

As for ESO, it actually still suffers from their bad first impression. Also the Elder Scrolls fan base....well some don't really care about ESO at all. So if ESO have bugs & etc you're not hearing feedback TES fans but more so just from ESO/MMO fans. The only time I will probably flip out is if they change some Lore aspect of races n etc. I'm actually prepared for it when they do their "racial balance changes", because I don't see how they balance anything considering that 3 of the 4 "meta" races are actually true to lore and to ZOS balance = nerf.

I have been an Elder Scrolls fan for a very long time, which means that I have suffered at the hands of BGS each time they have re-imagined "Elder Scrolls" for the next game. ESO is nothing more than the latest in a line of these changes. TES 6 will be no different. Every game since Daggerfall has had people complaining about something that was changed or not carried forward.

ESO is definitely Elder Scrolls. Another re-imagining of it, to be sure, but canon nonetheless.

I trust ZOS to not stray to far from the race Lore. Each game has piddled around with Lore details, and so ZOS can wiggle things to make them fit, but it will be generally true to the Lore.

I will also submit that FO76 plays very much like a FPS, and as far as angry gamers go, FPS players have a fairly well-established reputation compared to players from other genres.

Despite the issues with ESO, I can still have lots of fun with little to no problems. I do mostly solo quests, occasional pvp and my issues are small (but there) and not enough for me to stop playing. I treat ESO as a massive "Skyrim", except I can visit so many different locations with a "lived in" feel.

Fallout 76 is an empty shell of Fallout 4, It's an empty world. Unless you have other people to play with the game is boring. So the problems FO76 has will be amplified 'cos when you are going around by yourself, or with even one other person you realize the issues more.
I hope 76 can turn around, but as of right now I have zero interest in the game, and am happy with ESO. I mean I bought Skyrim SE on PC and Switch, and it's still littered with bugs, but I have fun. I can overlook most issues if I am having fun

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Most of critics just bashed Fallout, gamespot 4/10

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/fallout-76-reviews-roundup/1100-6463393/?ftag=GSS-05-10aaa0a

No, I don't really see that. They're not exactly giving 76 rave reviews, true. And I've seen a few that just don't get it, like wondering why you have to interact with terminals instead of just touching them for quest credit. Or complaining that one of the first things you need to do in this survival(ish) game is learn how to get drinkable water. But I don't see a lot of just bashing Fallout in general.

It's always hard to compare games together, because each one has it's own identity, feeling, atmosphere and community.

I love ESO since the beginning, not only because I am an Elder Scrolls Fan, I would not play it if it would make me unhappy or if the community would be bad or if it's unplayable. Of course there are always things I could complain about as well, but we have to deal with it or play something else.

Because some of my friends wanted to play Fallout 76, I bought it as well to play with them together when they are around. Just because it's nice to slice monster together and not all of them - unfortunately - play ESO.

I would like to give you some examples between Fallout 76 and ESO that I recovered until now and that I like:

ESO (play it since 4 years)
- great singleplayer exploration (finding skyshards, crates, treasuremaps, crafting writs, crafting mats)
- great singleplayer housing (create your own house, decorate it, create even your own universe)
- great crafting opportunities (light, medium, heavy, a lot of different sets, crappy to legendary, even obtainable if you are not a powerplayer, don't want to raid, etc.)
- great fantasy experience (you can play orcs, elves, khajiit, etc., the world looks different then our real world, etc.)
- great singleplayer lore & speech-animation of NPC (the world feels more alive, in some quests a random person just ran to you and request help, they are moving the mouth while speaking, the speakers are well chosen for their specific role, the lore of ESO may sometimes not 100% be accurate, but it still feels like an ES-Universe)
- amazing individual character upgrades (Championpoints, play as you want)
- interesting singleplayer challenge (Maelstrom Arena from Normal to Veteran, different and deadly mechanics, good loot)
- singeplayer to-do's (dailies, weeklies, daily-login-rewards, achievements)
- nice trading experience (guild-banks and guild-stores or direct trade with other people or via post)
- amazing group PvE experience (a lot of dungeons, difficulties from Normal to Veteran Hardmode, a lot of stories inside the dungeons, chests to find, different boss-mechanics, two arenas (DSA and BRP) for challenging experience)
- amazing raiding experience (a lot of different trials (SO, AA, HRC, MoL, HoF, AS, CR = 7 trials in total), different difficulties from Normal to Veteran Hardmode, different loot possibilities, leaderboards)
- a lot of PvP possibilities (Cyrodiil zerg/smallgroup/single, Imperial City, duels with other player, no push to be in PvP-Mode if you don't want to)

I agree with you in things that i don't like in ESO (bugs, missing translation of stories of a release of a DLC, low performance in Cyrodiil, players that are better than me, group-finder bugs, players who are not answering in the guild chat, etc.).

Fallout 76 (play since 3rd November 2018)
- great singleplayer exploration (finding new homes, explore them, grab everything you can, treasuremaps, crafting mats)
- interesting singleplayer housing (create your own home, decorate it, not too much possibilities)
- great crafting opportunities (craft armor, weapons, ammo for different things for different levels, repair them, upgrade them)
- great real life experience mixed with future-things (hunger/thirst, world is West Viriginia, destroyed by atomic bombs, creatures like squirrels, bears, cows and also future-things like robots, exotic food, etc.)
- amazing character upgrades (hundreds of perks, play as you want)
- singleplayer to-do's(dailies, weeklies, challenges/achievements)
- good group PvE experience (explore together, kill strong enemies/bosses)
- interesting PvP possibilities (Wanted-System, duels with other players, group-PvP only if ppl agree)
- possible interesting raiding experience (fire nuclear bombs + explore and kill high level creatures in that area, but I've not been there yet)

What I don't like in Fallout 76 is a lot you mentioned before (empty world because no NPC are there, bugs, lore and stories are not that great, there seems to be no endgame but first you have to level a lot, higher system requirements (or you can only play on low/medium graphics), no communication with other players ingame, trading only possible 1vs1 or by throwing things on the ground, you always need to craft ammo, etc.).

Overall I enjoy the fantasy experience a lot more, so for me, ESO is still the best. It has a lot more advantages now than it has at it's release, but to be honest... I still enjoy it more than Fallout 76. Even with the actual bugs, because they seem to listen as well to the community. I mean... what Matt Firor says is true I feel and you can see that a lot of things we requested over the years made it into the game. Of course there are still a lot of bugs or performance issues, but I don't really know if that's a thing that can be fixed (if it would cause a bigger server for example I guess ZOS would not hesitate to buy a bigger one, but it seems that the problem sits much deeper).

The only thing I like dislike at all in most games is that they all just try to make their stakeholders happy it seems. Release a game, even when it's very buggy, just because of all the money. There are a lot small companies I could mention who handle this way better. And even the communication could be improved, for example on twitter or facebook, some other companies even answer to people on social media, while some are only using it to post new things. Sometimes I miss a bit of love for the customers in ESO and Fallout 76 in comparison to other games. But overall they are still nice to play in their own way.

But you know what: Everyone should play what they like the most. That users complain a lot, just means they care a lot about a game (and are horrible disappointed when it's not working, of course). Overall there is still the hope, that the bugs are going away, right?

Played the FO76 beta with a free code. ESO is in a way better state than this, if only because ESO knows what kind of game it wants to be. FO76 is a bunch of new ideas for sandbox/survival games looking for the ones that stick. We didn't need an ARK clone, so I'll give them credit for trying new stuff. But there's only so long you can kill radioactive roaches and collect trash. I got bored really fast.

It's not a survival game: survival aspects are trivial and nothing bad happens if you die.

As a sandbox, it's limited. You can't change the world in any meaningful way. You can't get to know your neighbors and establish trade or RP or run a business, because next time you log in you don't know what server you'll be on.

In a game that has huge potential to be Fallout with Friends, it's hard to connect with anyone. You can't make a clan and pool resources nor build a permanent base together.

I was pretty glad I didn't play $60 for it.

We are docile creatures, well... some of us are.

What’s the point of being vocal about a problem, or giving any type of feedback about ESO when it’s ignored? Just a giant waste of time and typing.. ESO players gave up. No point in trying.

“Hey instead of fixing [insert one of many bugs here] we’re adding a new DLC!! Seasoned with extra nerfs on top!!”

Yes, ESO has it's issues, but just in a little of ZoS's defense......
We complained about guild trader bids changing at 6:00 am or earlier (depending on time zone), and they changed it.
We complained when the only town to turn in max crafting writs was in Craglorn, they changed it.
There were no guild traders at launch, you could only trade in guilds or zone chat. (Ahhhh, that Rifton gathering at bank buying & selling... ).
My point is that yes, we have complained, yes there are negative bashing threads, but they HAVE listened in the past.
Don't care about FO76, that's Todd's problem, but yes we need to keep giving ZoS our "opinions" on things, but they should communicate better with us. (Like they used to at launch).
Also just Curious??? Is there still the "ZoS Round Table Group"? Do they still communicate together?
Just my 2 drakes.... Huzzah!

Arthmoor wrote: »

Perhaps because nobody wanted a multiplayer Fallout game and therefore the outrage is what it is because people wanted Fallout 5 single player instead?

If that was the case though they were in for a rude awakening since Starfield is next in line for single player.

At least now we know what they were going to do with the Fallout Online license they took back from Interplay.

Speak for yourself. There are plenty of people who believe Fallout could make a good MMO. FO76 ain't it though.

Still, FO5 would probably have been the better way to go. The biggest problem with multiplayer games is you have to put up with other players, most of whom either don't understand or don't give a rat's ass about immersion and just want to run around killing things. Or just want to be the most annoying person on the server at any given time.

Did you ever played other games? Try litlle of wow and you will see what they done to it,a *** slot machine,you play dungeon for 40min and finaly open chest at end and get nothing,40min of pain for nothing. Switched to eso a month ago and amazed how this game is good. Lets not talk about grind couse grind is in every game, lets talk about sub for game, in wow for sub you get playtime and nothing else,when i sub on eso I was amazed what you get for it. Only thing i dont like in eso is long loading screens and stuck in it. Class balance and meta builds are present in every game so no complains there. I played wow,gw2,tera,bdo,...and so far eso is best at everthing.There is nothing to rant about eso like fallout76,that is *** product for lot of money. Believe me, eso is fine atm.

^^ or we were threatened with 'action will be taken against your account'