People porting to Fungal Grotto at the beginning of the dungeon...
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Alinhbo_Tyaka✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »
Instructions unclear. Now stuck in Imperial City.
Not sure what you mean. If you used the Dungeon Finder to queue up for a random dungeon it can send you anywhere. There are two dungeons in Cyrodiil, Imperial City Rosin and White-Gold Tower. You could end up in either or any other dungeon.. When you exit a random dungeon or leave group you are normally returned to where you were when you accepted the invite.0 -
Feel_Fried✭✭
BC1 easier than FG1 so no one will change it, Vicious Ophidian is a trial setstarkerealm wrote: »So, if you need Sanctuary pieces, for example, it's way easier to just run BC1 on normal a ton of times, and upgrade. Similarly, for a lot of players, if they wanted something like Spell Power Cure, or Vicious Ophidian, running content on normal is the way they can farm it.
, and Spell Power Cure is DLC dungeon white-gold tower so it's much faster to do with friends ( and more profitable ) than with randoms.
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Feel_Fried✭✭But the main problem is that randoms can't bit even FG1 fast ( we was tp there only with finder, not manually)
Edited by Feel_Fried on December 3, 2018 10:39PM0 -
mayasunrising✭✭✭✭✭People just have no sense of common courtesy.
If you want to use the FG loophole, fine--do it with a 4-man premade where everyone is after the same thing.
Don't pull that nonsense if don't queue with a 4-man premade unless the strangers that got placed with you agree on wanting the same thing.
This.
I think it pretty funny that people who are admitting it's an exploit, telling others how it's done, and then flat out admitting they use the exploit, are trying to make the OP sound like the bad guy. Hint: they're not doing anything wrong. You are.
I also think when you tell someone - who uses the system as intended - that THEY should just hush, suck it up, and expend the extra effort to find a pre-made group so you can continue to exploit, it speak worlds to the level of respect some gamers have for their peers.
Sorry but no. If you want to exploit the system. YOU make the effort and put a FG1 group together before you queue. Don't worry though, I'm sure it won't take much effort since so many players are willing to use the exploit. Right?
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In my experience the majority of players I have queued in with the ported out to FG were either extremely rude about it or said nothing at all until they ported and entered FG. About half of them were doing it with another person, which meant there was no way to kick them from the group (couldn't get majority votes) meaning the friend I was with and I had to quit out of the group and get a queue penalty. How is that not problematic exactly?Edited by mayasunrising on December 3, 2018 10:50PM"And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom." ♥ Anaïs Nin
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Claire✭✭✭The real question is, is this considered an exploit? Will there be ramifications for those that made use of it? It certainly is a method of working around the intention of the event and still reaping the reward.
Good question -- it certainly *feels* like an exploit. But, at least we've covered the proper etiquette when exploiting!
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adree✭✭✭Put a stop to this nonsense already. I've had several groups disband over the last few days at the very start because of this. I'm queuing a specific dungeon because i'm trying to get gear from that dungeon, and in some cases and i haven't been the only one. Guess what though? A couple of people port to Fungal Grotto because they want to get their daily done. So i'm left with 2 options, leave and waste 15 mins of my time with the queue penalty, or waste 10 mins doing a dungeon that i have no interest in doing.
If you queue random, you should have to do whatever random you get. That's the whole point of it being random. FIX THIS PLEASE!!!
LOL why some....mmmm.... persons always blame players who follows simple and clear logic and never blame incompetent zeni$Edited by adree on December 3, 2018 10:53PM0 -
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✭im not gonna lie, that you can port to another dungeon (of choice) during "random dungeon finder" seems pretty troll.5 -
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✭The real question is, is this considered an exploit? Will there be ramifications for those that made use of it? It certainly is a method of working around the intention of the event and still reaping the reward.
It's an exploit. Not remotely worth discussing that. But there are known exploits that they look the other way on, such as the lever that allows us to solo direfrost keep. I'll be really sad if they take that one from us. It hurts no one and makes the dungeon more challenging, not less.
But this changing dungeons exploit is very much out there right now. If they aren't going to chime in with all these threads, then they're looking the other way. It would take Gina 3 words to let us know it's something they'd consider punishing. As it is, zone chat is bumping with "lfg random doing fg1". It's also akward to be the one who doesn't want to.
It would really be unfair to punish anyone at this point. People have even mentioned being kicked for not going along. As soon as the event is over, I'm going back to solo/ duo, until then, I'm going with the group. If the group is split, I'm doing the dungeon with the person who wants random. I'm not hanging that person out to dry.1 -
fierackas✭✭✭✭✭There is currently an event that rewards each toon that completes a RN with a prize - I get home from work and have a load of characters I need to run through dungeons in a short space of time, added to the fact as an EU player I could barely participate for the first 3 days. With all due respect I'm going to be selfish and not pander to your dungeon farming. That said I run 99% of mine with guild groups thereby avoiding these issues, maybe you should do the same with your farming.8
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✭✭✭✭✭Feel_Fried wrote: »
BC1 easier than FG1 so no one will change it, Vicious Ophidian is a trial setstarkerealm wrote: »So, if you need Sanctuary pieces, for example, it's way easier to just run BC1 on normal a ton of times, and upgrade. Similarly, for a lot of players, if they wanted something like Spell Power Cure, or Vicious Ophidian, running content on normal is the way they can farm it. , and Spell Power Cure is DLC dungeon white-gold tower so it's much faster to do with friends ( and more profitable ) than with randoms.
You asked what someone could farm on normal. The answer is, "pretty much whatever." I'm well aware of the sources for those sets. So, while no one's going to random their way into AA, SO, or HRC, those are still the source for VO, and for many players vet trials, even the Craglorn ones, are way outside their ability.0 -
Ufretin✭✭✭✭✭I can't see why anyone would queue solo for a random with the intent to port to FG1. There are plenty of players looking specifically for random/FG1 groups in any trade guild or zone chat.
-No waiting in queue
-Stronger players on average
-No headaches with players like the OP or clueless newbs
Just let the OP do his farming.1 -
nryerson1025✭✭✭✭i agree with OP. this is not an undaunted celebration; its a fungal grotto celebration...and idk about you guys, i see no reason to celebrate that place2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I may have gotten lucky, becasue in the entirety of the event I have gotten exactly ONE pug where lead just ported to FG1 without a word. every other run we did whatever dungeon we got, which is nice, cause my alts got to get all those delicious skill points. with 2 exceptions. in one - dps left the moment they zoned into wolfhunter keep and groupfinder immediately broke down refusing to backfill more players, so tank and I discussed it and then duoed FG just to get it over with and not get a que cooldown. and in second case - we actualy attempted march of sacrifices, got slaughtered by the first boss, and group fell apart after that.
in my experience (and I guess I got lucky) most people still do the place they got dropped into. in my experience.dirty worthless casual.
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CrimsonGTX✭✭✭Queued for over 20 minutes, got Spindlecluth 1. Was happy since I knew it was an easy dungeon my lower level character would do well in and it's a fast dungeon.
Enter the dungeon. Players standing around, I start moving. In chat one word...."fungel"....then 10 seconds later "you have kicked from the group". Wasted over 20 minutes waiting, then another 15 for another queue.
If they needed to port to Fungal from Spindle, I would've remove myself from group. Both can be speed ran through easily even on Vet.I main a healer. My queues are instant.
I'm also farming Crypt of Hearts 1-2 and WGT. One of them isn't even DLC and the other one is the same difficulty as the non dlc dungeons.
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Varana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, it's an exploit. Who cares? It's an Elder Scrolls game. You don't play an Elder Scrolls game correctly until you've modded and abused it to hell and back.
More seriously:
Yes, it's an exploit. Who cares? You're seeing it because of the event, because people are running with their crafters with neither skills nor gear and don't care about slogging through MHK for two hours, and because ZOS frelled up their dungeon queue so spectacularly that just getting into a dungeon is the most impressive achievement of this whole sad show.
The event will pass, people will start running dungeons normally again, and everyone's happy for a year.
I've ported into nFG1 with a group of noobs, and I've burned through nCoS with a high-level group who knew what they were doing, instead of porting (even though one of us - jokingly - complained all the time). I certainly won't use any sleep over this. The whole system is broken to a degree that I seriously don't care what ZOS may think. I have ESO+, I pay those guys, and I'm already at a disadvantage because I get DLC dungeons thrown into the mix without any consideration. Not to speak of this catastrophe of an "event". I may reconsider when they do something about those two things.
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Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I did not know that this was possible. At least not in such a way that you still get credit for it. This is definitely something ZoS should address. If you queue for a random dungeon, then port to another dungeon, you should not get random dungeon credit. That just defeats the purpose of the dungeon finder.
Well, at least as a tank I have some pull if this ever happened to me. Generally speaking, I leave and they get to sit around waiting for a new one, which would probably turn out to be a fake tank.Edited by Glurin on December 4, 2018 12:12AM"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."1 -
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✭✭Feel_Fried wrote: »and what exactly you farm on normal?
The same gear drops from both normal and vet, so what's your point?Edited by MaxJrFTW on December 4, 2018 12:25AM"I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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✭✭Just had a Fanglair pop up. Tank ported out right away, so i checked group screen. Sure enough- FG1. Someone initiated vote to kick and I was more than happy to hit 'yes'.4 -
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✭✭✭Queued a random today and I actually got FG1 because someone else left the group.
They were almost at the last boss and a few minutes later I was thrilled that the chore was over and I could go back to BGs.
So overall I'm very thankful people are leaving groups because they don't want to be forced into doing FG1 as their random.3 -
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Yes fungal1 is just as fast as BC1 think its even faster, you can jump down the waterfall and skip two bosses in the last cave.Feel_Fried wrote: »But the main problem is that randoms can't bit even FG1 fast ( we was tp there only with finder, not manually)
If you pull all adds onto the first mini boss, then pull all the adds up to the next you can skip directly to last boss who would be faster as BC1 is lots of running forward and back.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
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✭✭Why is everyone assuming this isn't already working as intended? Maybe they [Zos] knows, but have left it this way to let players circumvent the whole random DLC issue. I honestly don't think there is anything wrong with it. It is not the job of high level players to carry every curious low level through the more difficult dungeons, and this option lets us off the hook for that unpleasant possibility. I will carry my friends and guildmates through three at a time (not that most of my guildies need any sort of carry), no questions, but a perfect stranger? Far less likely.
I am genuinely sorry that some of you got stuck with jerks who didn't communicate properly or who were just being pushy, and that really sucks that happened to you. It's even worse that many of you got stuck with a time-out because of this, and I absolutely agree that the penalty should not exist because of the potential for this scenario.
In spite of that, you have three other people in that dungeon with you (all probably trying to hustle 12 characters through one after the other), and your singular needs/wants do not outweigh the needs/wants of those three. I'm personally not going to hang out with you in one dungeon for an hour and a half while you casually peruse every sack and canister and hang on every single word from every single cut scene under these circumstances. That is maddening, and wildly inappropriate for anyone to demand that of three perfect strangers. It's even more maddening (and more than a little weird) that some of you are gleefully rubbing your hands together at the thought of these people being punished for not being interested in being your farming mule or RP buddy.PC/Xbox NA
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You get purple jewelry and monster sets in vet, if your after weapons you can just as well do normal. Depending on skills but dlc is way better to farm at normal. easy dungeons and it don't matter much but normal is still faster.Feel_Fried wrote: »and what exactly you farm on normal?
The same gear drops from both normal and vet, so what's your point?
Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.0 -
FuriousStar✭✭✭I'd say if it's a random that has enemies right by the gate, start fighting asap. Can't teleport while in combat. Leave them behind at the gate getting hype, while you're having a laugh while actually doing something productive.2 -
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✭I dont see the problem in this. I did it and i killed two birds with one stone, got my tickets and my mystery box in one dungeon0 -
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✭✭I don't consider this an exploit at all. I hope ZOS leaves it as it is. It's kind of nice to be able to port to a dungeon more interesting and still get the credit for random. But I run dungeons in a guild and rarely pug, so when it happens, there is always a consensus.
The real issue, IMO, are the inconsiderate people who insist on it when no one else really cares. Case in point, 3 of us had grouped in our guild to run randoms for the event. On one run we couldn't find a healer so we pugged. We ended up in Arx Corinium, about as easy as they get. Well, our pugged healer insisted we port to FG1. We told him no, none of us cared to, and we preferred to run this dungeon. He started demanding we stop fighting so he could port to FG1. He wouldn't stop protesting despite what we said. Finally, he ported on his own to FG1 and told us to port to him. We just laughed and kicked him.1 -
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✭✭✭✭mayasunrising wrote: »
This.
I think it pretty funny that people who are admitting it's an exploit, telling others how it's done, and then flat out admitting they use the exploit, are trying to make the OP sound like the bad guy. Hint: they're not doing anything wrong. You are.
I also think when you tell someone - who uses the system as intended - that THEY should just hush, suck it up, and expend the extra effort to find a pre-made group so you can continue to exploit, it speak worlds to the level of respect some gamers have for their peers.
Sorry but no. If you want to exploit the system. YOU make the effort and put a FG1 group together before you queue. Don't worry though, I'm sure it won't take much effort since so many players are willing to use the exploit. Right?
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In my experience the majority of players I have queued in with the ported out to FG were either extremely rude about it or said nothing at all until they ported and entered FG. About half of them were doing it with another person, which meant there was no way to kick them from the group (couldn't get majority votes) meaning the friend I was with and I had to quit out of the group and get a queue penalty. How is that not problematic exactly?
I was in WGT with a (self admitted) fake tank the other day, doing the rando. We made it through, but had we not, sure, we would have ported to FG1. we all discussed it and agreed. Why not if the group can't make it through the dungeon.
Also, why quit? The penalty is longer than the dungeon takes.0
