Is PvP dead in ESO?

shaielzafine · December 2018

ESO PvP is already dead

I used to play PvP everyday. The performance issues + bugs + exploits along with the toxicity will just keep leading to a declining population. (Seriously some of the people I've encountered should get banned, but even with screenshots of harassment or videos of these people cheating they don't get banned.) People new to pvp don't want to come back after getting zerged by ball groups of broken cheese builds. The other servers in PC NA (That isn't Vivec) is mostly empty as well, so there's not much point in swapping campaigns.

ochsinator · December 2018

ESO PvP is in a healthy state

Pvp is fun battlegrounds are awesome it does need some attention but to say it is dying is crazy. When I que for BG it takes a minute to get a group. Cyridill has plenty of people mobbing around its fine. At least in Xbox.

RPGplayer13579 · December 2018

The day I become Emperor is the day when PVP is truly dead. That has not happened yet.

Mintaka5 · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

What in Akatosh's name are those petty DC zerglings doing to that poor tree.

Leave the trees out of this DC!!!! Go zerg a lone EP.

What's the matter you killed off all the solos with your angry mob of zerglings, now you're beating on the vegetation?

MyKillv2.0 · December 2018

ochsinator wrote: »

Pvp is fun battlegrounds are awesome it does need some attention but to say it is dying is crazy. When I que for BG it takes a minute to get a group. Cyridill has plenty of people mobbing around its fine. At least in Xbox.

I have noticed since my move from console (XboxNA) to PC a noticable difference in PvP population and activity, especially in Cryoland.

PvE areas seem to be about the same but I noticed a dip in PvP population when I moved to PC. To be fair, PC players have more variety of MMO PVP games which quite honesty, are just better. Console players are stuck for the most part with Zo$. AND BGs tend to be equally populated as consoles, I consistenty find matches on BG, just not Cryoland. However I found this observation odd considering that every time you load up twitch, 9 out of 10 streams you see are PC/PVP driven.

technohic · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

Its amazing to me that Vivec can be run over like Shor outside of prime time these days.

zyk · December 2018

ESO PvP is already dead

technohic wrote: »

Its amazing to me that Vivec can be run over like Shor outside of prime time these days.

Vivec is now basically what Shor was a year ago or so.

Every time I enter Cyrodiil, I sit at my gate for at least 5 minutes, trying to overcome a revulsion I have to playing, even though feel like I want to.

The current dynamics remind me of 1.5: OP ball groups effortlessly mowing down randoms and almost everyone is tanky-cheesy. Stalemate builds are everywhere. Good fights are few and far between.

Linaleah · December 2018

TheRealSniker wrote: »

For everybody saying that this screenshot is fake or manipulated, here is a screenshot of my queue times

@Linaleah @wolf486 @Sergykid @Ramber @kathandira

My BG queues are usually around 20-40 minutes long depending on my luck and when I finally get into a game I fight against premades, this screenshot was made because I completely forgot about the queue and instead went out to get some food and when I came back I saw this...

that is either a bug or playing during extremely off OFF hours. I'm betting a bug. becasue holy cow. the reason there was doubt becasue in our personaly experience wait times weren't anywhere near this. I'm not exaggerating when I said it took me 40 minutes queueing solo to get enough AP to get horn/purge. in that time I did 3 battlegrounds two if which I lost completely (in a third place) so just waiting for one for 40 minutes is.. ouch.

eso_lags · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

Thlepse wrote: »

Wall of text ahead, caution devs : if looking at too many words make head feel hurty, please close the tab.

someone linked this thread on discord, i hardly visit forums anymore cause ill prove that devs dont read anything related to pvp

its not naming and shaming if I say the devs are single cell organisms right ? something like that would go over their heads completely.

like everyone else said, anyone who says pvp is fine is a zergsurfer or zergling (CAPSLOCK FOR COOL: YOU ARE NOT "SOLO" IF YOU FOLLOW A BLOB AROUND THE MAP, THAT MAKES YOU A ZERGSURFER/ZERGLING)

pvp is dying because of all of the above reasons which the dedicated pvp players already know and are vocal about, so no need to repost that here since we all know the issues.

a simple solution which till date baffles me as to why they havent thought of this, is to enable dynamic AP in relation to the number of faction specific players who are present/contributing to the offense/defense tick

In simple caveman terms (fingers crossed a dev was dared into clicking on this thread) :

If there are 10 DC players defending aleswell from 72 EP(yes we all know which EU campaign im referring to), the ap tick generated from successfully flipping the keep should be split between all 72 EP players with no base minimum value ticks.

The EP blob would end up with 83 AP per player for flipping the keep (assuming the tick value was 6k), this would actually deter megazergs from stacking on one point, or from sending 20 players to retake 1 resource, or to stop chasing 3 players from Africa to Asia, reducing server constraints, spreading players out naturally and throwing a bone to non zerglings/zergsurfers (it has become apparent to me that saying the word s____scale sends the eso devs into shrieking fits of rage and confusion so please dont mention the S word).

There is more merit to this implementation than I have mentioned, but thats up to the devs to realize for themselves, cause if they can't then honestly all hope is lost and they are coasting on this for the zero effort paychecks until it crashes and burns.

This is how you improve pvp health and population. Ive not mentioned anything regarding pvp balance since we all know that its already hopeless, if a dev tells us they are looking into X skill or Y set..its always a change that triggers both sides who wanted a nerf and a buff.

I am looking forward to how the devs will suddenly become responsive when the next batch of MMOs are close to release

Thanks everyone else for reading my novel, it will be listed on amazon soon dont worry !

I think this could be a pretty good idea. Might have some issues but it seems like this could be an easy way to solve the zerg issue which is a part of the performance issue.

The thing is i dont think it will every happen. I have never seen any evidence from zos that shows they are willing to go the extra mile, listen to players, or do anything more than they have to just to get things to somewhat pass. What I mean is thatt zos will never do something like this because it would require a lot of effort.

Based on how they completely, 100%, ignore the performance issue (specifically pvp performance) I have no reason to believe that they will every really fix the major issues of this game.

Juhasow · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

well solo play is dead thats for sure

i Strongly disagree with you about that.
i solo play daily now for several years in eso, "daily"
and also:
@Sypher was just doing a livestream on eso recently and it proved that solo play is alive and well.
he even made reference to solo play multiple times in the stream selling eso as if it was a product he was proud of.
and i whole-heartedly agree with his sentiments
so i have to disagree with you, solo play is most assure alive and well in pvp in cryodiil.

Lol I actually took few minutes and I've found clip with him playing ESO few days ago although his opinion is slightly different from what You're saying https://clips.twitch.tv/GracefulLongAnacondaJKanStyle

mague · December 2018

Thlepse wrote: »

like everyone else said, anyone who says pvp is fine is a zergsurfer or zergling (CAPSLOCK FOR COOL: YOU ARE NOT "SOLO" IF YOU FOLLOW A BLOB AROUND THE MAP, THAT MAKES YOU A ZERGSURFER/ZERGLING)

pvp is dying because of all of the above reasons which the dedicated pvp players already know and are vocal about, so no need to repost that here since we all know the issues.

a simple solution which till date baffles me as to why they havent thought of this, is to enable dynamic AP in relation to the number of faction specific players who are present/contributing to the offense/defense tick

This is only half of the truth.

Most players give a *beep* about AP. AP is coming in anyways. People want to PvP. Many, many run unorganised because of the self proclaimed warlords and because being part of a raid creates lag and covers half the screen. Yes lag, because your client updates position and health of the whole raid permanently. Centralised or p2p .. doesnt matter. It creates network traffic.

Self proclaimed warlords trying to give orders arent that bad. But warlords insulting others are a big no-go. How is it possible that those can type multiple sentences into chat while everyone is just busy with sieging, reviving, healing and killing ?

And telling others their rank is ingame and outside higher ? LOL, i give a *bleep* about their ingame and out of game rank !! It is worth as much as Hero of Stonefalls.

Its so bad and out of whack sometimes that i tend to think they are selling emp achivements for real money.

It is just a game. You can try as hard as you want. You try to place your catapult, disconnect and log in at base camp. Till you are back the keep turned. *so what ??* Its just a game and the same keep turns 10 tiems a day. And i dont organize with self proclaimed warlords who insult me. I am still <insert color here> and i work and die for that color. But not for warlords.

And then there are those cheesy gankers. They are doing only one thing. Trying to force players into control. Another point to just stick to others of your faction.

Thats the other side of the so called zergsurfing. As it stand currently i have deep respect for those guy just going out and burn the keep of the quest and/or burning outposts. Actually i would like to drop my color once in a while and run as "white" and just annoy the living *beep* out of the established order

Weper · December 2018

ESO PvP is already dead

Not just the PvP, the whole game is dying actually.

Crixus8000 · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

well solo play is dead thats for sure

i Strongly disagree with you about that.
i solo play daily now for several years in eso, "daily"
and also:
@Sypher was just doing a livestream on eso recently and it proved that solo play is alive and well.
he even made reference to solo play multiple times in the stream selling eso as if it was a product he was proud of.
and i whole-heartedly agree with his sentiments
so i have to disagree with you, solo play is most assure alive and well in pvp in cryodiil.

Was he playing stamblade with cloak ?

In cp pvp solo is easier imo, I had so much sustain and healing that it was almost impossible to die, but the same for my enemies, everyone is just an infinate resource tank and it was 0 fun.

So I play no cp pvp and it used to be fun, but now as a solo player snares just destroy me. My char is an orc, stamsorc with steed mundus, streak and major expedition. I can't outrun anyone, I always get chased by groups/zergs and die, simply because getting rooted every 2 seconds because of the stupid short immunity and the bugs that ignore it make los and escaping just terrible.

Everyone is running around in large groups spamming snares. When I enter a fight vs multiple players I just get rooted to a halt every 2 seconds, I can't escape anyone, I can hardly use los and most fights is me getting hit with 23k zaans. Yes solo play is still possible, but not how it used to be. I don't find it fun anymore.

olsborg · December 2018

ESO PvP is already dead

Eso pvp, to me, is now dead. 2 main reasons.

1. Lagg makes pvp unplayable 80-90% of a 24hr period.

2. The game/combat has become too equipment/item based to the point where stats/skill counts so little compared to wich 5pieces or monster sets u wear that its just not enjoyable anymore, go full cancer or stay involuntary out of the competition.

Jeremy · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

TheRealSniker wrote: »

Battlegrounds:

Cyrodiil:

So what is your opinion on the current state of ESO PvP ?

[Edit to remove naming and shaming]

I met a player the other day who was all excited to try PvP out on this game. He borrowed gold from a friend, got decked out out, threw CP into critical resistance and starting doing battlegrounds and Cyrodil.

A couple of days later he tells me he's going back to FF 14.

I don't know if it's dead or dying, but it's certainly stupid.

Sergykid · December 2018

in that image i see u use an addon, which may bug out the queue for u. Or maybe u joined on something like 3 AM

Rain_Greyraven · December 2018

ESO PvP is already dead

Dead because it was idiotic in the extreme to attempt a large scale PVP system as end game for an Elder Scrolls title .

Drdeath20 · December 2018

ESO PvP is in a healthy state

Pvp was dead during its pvdoor era. Groups would take a resource, run inside the tower and kill all opponents before they had a chance to load in and they would never leave.

the combat has never been as good as it is now. Yes sets of armor do the damage but class skills are far less impactful, which is a good thing.

As it stands now every group size is valuable, the rewards are decent and AP is fairly easy to get but most importantly alliance strategy and participation is of the utmost importance.

The whole outweighs the sum of its parts. You can have a alliance with a bunch of coordinated players who die a ton and lose most of their battles be in the lead over the gitguds who just care about kills and making that billionth unwanted and never watched tibute to myself video montage. Which naturally always ends up thirstally on the forums.

josiahva · December 2018

ESO PvP is in a healthy state

Faction pop-locks come and go...sometimes its EP thats the flavor of the month on a given server...sometimes AD or DC, it ebbs and flows over time

tinythinker · December 2018

Not sure haven't done it in a while

Zer0oo · December 2018

ESO PvP is already dead

It is dead, dying and it is alive. It is a Zombie! RUUUN

On the more serious note, pvp is unplayable during prime time and most players only have time in this time window.
The skill cap got lowered so much that skill does not matter that much, it is more a rock, paper, scissors.
More number than you win. Better cheese than you, I win...

Endgame pve is not better either so, in the end, they will lose quite likely a lot of those players who enjoy those aspects of the game.

Juhasow · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Pvp was dead during its pvdoor era. Groups would take a resource, run inside the tower and kill all opponents before they had a chance to load in and they would never leave.

the combat has never been as good as it is now. Yes sets of armor do the damage but class skills are far less impactful, which is a good thing.

As it stands now every group size is valuable, the rewards are decent and AP is fairly easy to get but most importantly alliance strategy and participation is of the utmost importance.

The whole outweighs the sum of its parts. You can have a alliance with a bunch of coordinated players who die a ton and lose most of their battles be in the lead over the gitguds who just care about kills and making that billionth unwanted and never watched tibute to myself video montage. Which naturally always ends up thirstally on the forums.

Cant say if it serious or just troll.

Twohothardware · December 2018

ESO PvP is already dead

They need to just turn off scoring in all the Campaigns and give an equal reward to each Alliance at this point if their not going to do anything to balance player population.

When one side (EP) routinely has 1-2 bars more than the other side and most of the better players have faction hopped to that side it's no longer a Campaign, just an AP farm with no competition and a blowout score at the end of 30 days.

Last year Vivec was pop locked for all three Alliances and I never thought it would happen but it too has become just another buff server on PS4 NA. Shor used to have 2+ bars on each Alliance and now it's completely dead outside a handful of players night capping.

Kel · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

I don't care about proc sets...
I don't care about cheesy builds...
I don't care about new content...
I don't care about balance...
I don't care about noobs...
I don't care about elitists...

It's performance...Or lack of it...that's the real killer...

https://youtu.be/lXz4tC2zMe4

Dojohoda · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

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Drdeath20 · December 2018

ESO PvP is in a healthy state

Juhasow wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Pvp was dead during its pvdoor era. Groups would take a resource, run inside the tower and kill all opponents before they had a chance to load in and they would never leave.

the combat has never been as good as it is now. Yes sets of armor do the damage but class skills are far less impactful, which is a good thing.

As it stands now every group size is valuable, the rewards are decent and AP is fairly easy to get but most importantly alliance strategy and participation is of the utmost importance.

The whole outweighs the sum of its parts. You can have a alliance with a bunch of coordinated players who die a ton and lose most of their battles be in the lead over the gitguds who just care about kills and making that billionth unwanted and never watched tibute to myself video montage. Which naturally always ends up thirstally on the forums.

Cant say if it serious or just troll.

Pro tip: Figure it out and then reply. I totally understand though , that thinking thing can be hard for some.

Drdeath20 · December 2018

ESO PvP is in a healthy state

Twohothardware wrote: »

They need to just turn off scoring in all the Campaigns and give an equal reward to each Alliance at this point if their not going to do anything to balance player population.

When one side (EP) routinely has 1-2 bars more than the other side and most of the better players have faction hopped to that side it's no longer a Campaign, just an AP farm with no competition and a blowout score at the end of 30 days.

Last year Vivec was pop locked for all three Alliances and I never thought it would happen but it too has become just another buff server on PS4 NA. Shor used to have 2+ bars on each Alliance and now it's completely dead outside a handful of players night capping.

Well once you hit grand overlord and have emp title what point is there to pvp anymore?

ATomiX96 · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

They need to just turn off scoring in all the Campaigns and give an equal reward to each Alliance at this point if their not going to do anything to balance player population.

When one side (EP) routinely has 1-2 bars more than the other side and most of the better players have faction hopped to that side it's no longer a Campaign, just an AP farm with no competition and a blowout score at the end of 30 days.

Last year Vivec was pop locked for all three Alliances and I never thought it would happen but it too has become just another buff server on PS4 NA. Shor used to have 2+ bars on each Alliance and now it's completely dead outside a handful of players night capping.

Well once you hit grand overlord and have emp title what point is there to pvp anymore?

yea totally agree, having fun and stuff in pvp doesnt matter at all after you get those juicy titles... /s

MetalHead4x4 · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

There's still cheating too. I have proof I sent to the Devs. They are looking into it.

Juhasow · December 2018

ESO PvP is dying

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Pvp was dead during its pvdoor era. Groups would take a resource, run inside the tower and kill all opponents before they had a chance to load in and they would never leave.

the combat has never been as good as it is now. Yes sets of armor do the damage but class skills are far less impactful, which is a good thing.

As it stands now every group size is valuable, the rewards are decent and AP is fairly easy to get but most importantly alliance strategy and participation is of the utmost importance.

The whole outweighs the sum of its parts. You can have a alliance with a bunch of coordinated players who die a ton and lose most of their battles be in the lead over the gitguds who just care about kills and making that billionth unwanted and never watched tibute to myself video montage. Which naturally always ends up thirstally on the forums.

Cant say if it serious or just troll.

Pro tip: Figure it out and then reply. I totally understand though , that thinking thing can be hard for some.

Well You proved that thinking is hard for You since You couldnt figure out that my question was retorical.