Vote kick feature is being seriously abused...

wolf486 · December 2018

Just report the player.
I got kicked today for not doing the Fungal exploit.

Jeremy · December 2018

Tizerak wrote: »

I'm a returning player and I've been running / tanking quite a bit of Vet dungeons lately (always using party finder because I don't know anyone in-game) i.e. daily pledges, random vet daily for undaunted supplies. I have about ~130 CP's since I haven't played since CP's were first introduced a year and a half-ish ago; I crafted myself a set of 5/5 Hist Bark and 4/5 Shalidor's Curse.

Anyways, more often lately I will join a group and sometimes it feels like IMMEDIATELY I get kicked before I can even enter the dungeon. It's been happening often enough that I screenshot the names of the group members so I can inquire why, I had someone tell me yesterday "i don't want to #$&* around with low CP players" honestly I reported him for harassment because the reason was BS and it locks me out of party finder for 15 minutes.

I would do /zone but now I'm worried I'll never get picked up because of my "low CP" even though I've been tanking Vet bosses just fine and have tanked a few of the HM Vet bosses (I think that's what they're called now, the one where people read that scroll before the fight). But these people just judge me based on CP without seeing me in action. I also run with really nice "high CP" people (luckily more often than the rude people) who are real friendly.

I just think there needs to be some kind of punishment for people that knee-jerk instant kick people like that because of the amount of CP they have. Maybe I'm part of some crazy minority here but last I checked ESO characters aren't just "born" with 500 CP when an account is made. I guess I'm just supposed to stay out of anything content related until I have 1000 CP's as to not ruffle the feathers of these big-shot players.

Sorry for the rant, and to the nice players with or without high CP that have dungeon crawled with me, thank you.

I agree with pretty much everything you've said. I've made several threads about this myself, in fact.

One solution would be to hide CP from other players. That's something I support.

I also agree players who abuse the kick function should be punished. Perhaps take away their access to kick other players if they are found to be abusing it. That would be a just punishment.

Self-entitled tanks are the worse at this practice. A lot of them will immediately try to kick a low CP player - then leave the dungeon if they don't get their way. It's pretty funny, but in a bad sort of way. This happened to me only yesterday in fact while doing Banished Cells 1. Banished Cells 1....

You do not need high CP to do Banished Cells 1. We just went on to 3 man it until another tank showed up toward the end.

Merlin13KAGL · December 2018

Why the hell don't they close threads that have been stagnant for Two. Flippin'. Years?

Hiding CP does nothing. A group knows everything it needs to know by the first pull or the first boss.

You seem to forget, no one person kicks another. It's a vote for a reason, and those reasons are usually justified.

Jeremy · December 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Why the hell don't they close threads that have been stagnant for Two. Flippin'. Years?

Hiding CP does nothing. A group knows everything it needs to know by the first pull or the first boss.

You seem to forget, no one person kicks another. It's a vote for a reason, and those reasons are usually justified.

On the contrary, it's rarely ever justified in my experience.

And most of the time the vote kick happens before they even pull anything, let alone reach the first boss. So hiding CP would help in those situations. At least players may actually be given a chance first before the party assumes they suck based on some arbitrary score.

kathandira · December 2018

Tizerak wrote: »

I'm a returning player and I've been running / tanking quite a bit of Vet dungeons lately (always using party finder because I don't know anyone in-game) i.e. daily pledges, random vet daily for undaunted supplies. I have about ~130 CP's since I haven't played since CP's were first introduced a year and a half-ish ago; I crafted myself a set of 5/5 Hist Bark and 4/5 Shalidor's Curse.

Anyways, more often lately I will join a group and sometimes it feels like IMMEDIATELY I get kicked before I can even enter the dungeon. It's been happening often enough that I screenshot the names of the group members so I can inquire why, I had someone tell me yesterday "i don't want to #$&* around with low CP players" honestly I reported him for harassment because the reason was BS and it locks me out of party finder for 15 minutes.

I would do /zone but now I'm worried I'll never get picked up because of my "low CP" even though I've been tanking Vet bosses just fine and have tanked a few of the HM Vet bosses (I think that's what they're called now, the one where people read that scroll before the fight). But these people just judge me based on CP without seeing me in action. I also run with really nice "high CP" people (luckily more often than the rude people) who are real friendly.

I just think there needs to be some kind of punishment for people that knee-jerk instant kick people like that because of the amount of CP they have. Maybe I'm part of some crazy minority here but last I checked ESO characters aren't just "born" with 500 CP when an account is made. I guess I'm just supposed to stay out of anything content related until I have 1000 CP's as to not ruffle the feathers of these big-shot players.

Sorry for the rant, and to the nice players with or without high CP that have dungeon crawled with me, thank you.

Just to clarify, You are CP 130, and are Tanking Vet Dungeons?

Merlin13KAGL · December 2018

Jeremy wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Why the hell don't they close threads that have been stagnant for Two. Flippin'. Years?

Hiding CP does nothing. A group knows everything it needs to know by the first pull or the first boss.

You seem to forget, no one person kicks another. It's a vote for a reason, and those reasons are usually justified.

On the contrary, it's rarely ever justified in my experience.

And most of the time the vote kick happens before they even pull anything, let alone reach the first boss. So hiding CP would help in those situations. At least players may actually be given a chance first before the party assumes they suck based on some arbitrary score.

I gather you're the one getting kicked? In what content are these kicks taking place?

CP is not an indicator that you suck or that you don't, either way.

Some content, however, has hardly a chance in hell of being cleared below a certain threshold. It's why they added minimums a few patches back.

It's not as if you stay low CP forever, so problem ends up remedying itself. Hiding CP simply delays the inevitable, again, to the first pull or the first boss.

Insta kicks are usually the exception, not the rule.

DaveMoeDee · December 2018

The think about insta-kicks is that it requires 3 people to pass. That means 3 people didn't want to risk a tedious run. If I was there, I would vote 'no' on the insta-kick and ask why they want to do the kick. Adults should be able to talk about this stuff.

While there are abuses like pre-formed groups of 3 abusing kicking instead of finding a 4th ahead of time that meets their standards, grouping needs to be able to accommodate heterogeneous player types.

I have no problem kicking people after the first pull if it is clear they are over-matched and we don't want a 40 minute run or it is obvious we won't be able to clear DLC bosses. But before kicking, I want to actually say in chat that the group as formed isn't going to work out. Too many people get enraged and unpleasant instead of talking to other players in a reasonable way.

Players getting kicked should walk away understanding what in particular the group was concerned with and how they can improve on that.

DaveMoeDee · December 2018

kathandira wrote: »

Tizerak wrote: »

I'm a returning player and I've been running / tanking quite a bit of Vet dungeons lately (always using party finder because I don't know anyone in-game) i.e. daily pledges, random vet daily for undaunted supplies. I have about ~130 CP's since I haven't played since CP's were first introduced a year and a half-ish ago; I crafted myself a set of 5/5 Hist Bark and 4/5 Shalidor's Curse.

Anyways, more often lately I will join a group and sometimes it feels like IMMEDIATELY I get kicked before I can even enter the dungeon. It's been happening often enough that I screenshot the names of the group members so I can inquire why, I had someone tell me yesterday "i don't want to #$&* around with low CP players" honestly I reported him for harassment because the reason was BS and it locks me out of party finder for 15 minutes.

I would do /zone but now I'm worried I'll never get picked up because of my "low CP" even though I've been tanking Vet bosses just fine and have tanked a few of the HM Vet bosses (I think that's what they're called now, the one where people read that scroll before the fight). But these people just judge me based on CP without seeing me in action. I also run with really nice "high CP" people (luckily more often than the rude people) who are real friendly.

I just think there needs to be some kind of punishment for people that knee-jerk instant kick people like that because of the amount of CP they have. Maybe I'm part of some crazy minority here but last I checked ESO characters aren't just "born" with 500 CP when an account is made. I guess I'm just supposed to stay out of anything content related until I have 1000 CP's as to not ruffle the feathers of these big-shot players.

Sorry for the rant, and to the nice players with or without high CP that have dungeon crawled with me, thank you.

Just to clarify, You are CP 130, and are Tanking Vet Dungeons?

Base game dungeons are pretty easy. I don't see CP130 being a problem for tanking most of them, even in hard mode. The poster mentioned that they took the time to get a decently thought-out build.

thanoscopter · December 2018

I'm 810 CP and recently got booted my a bunch of lower CP guys that just sat at entrance of random vet Vaults of Madness. I greeted them all as usual with a "hi, lets get this done" to make sure they were alive since they were chilling there instead of moving. Then the healer said these things in chat before I was kicked:

"Hi..."
"And maybe..."
"BYE!!

"
<you have been removed from group>

It's funny how these subpar players boot people to troll but I just logged on my other tank and instantly joined a better group with stellar DPS. They probably got some great laughs in their discord, but I don't regret being removed because players who are just trolling like that probably would have done subpar DPS anyway.

kathandira · December 2018

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

Tizerak wrote: »

I'm a returning player and I've been running / tanking quite a bit of Vet dungeons lately (always using party finder because I don't know anyone in-game) i.e. daily pledges, random vet daily for undaunted supplies. I have about ~130 CP's since I haven't played since CP's were first introduced a year and a half-ish ago; I crafted myself a set of 5/5 Hist Bark and 4/5 Shalidor's Curse.

Anyways, more often lately I will join a group and sometimes it feels like IMMEDIATELY I get kicked before I can even enter the dungeon. It's been happening often enough that I screenshot the names of the group members so I can inquire why, I had someone tell me yesterday "i don't want to #$&* around with low CP players" honestly I reported him for harassment because the reason was BS and it locks me out of party finder for 15 minutes.

I would do /zone but now I'm worried I'll never get picked up because of my "low CP" even though I've been tanking Vet bosses just fine and have tanked a few of the HM Vet bosses (I think that's what they're called now, the one where people read that scroll before the fight). But these people just judge me based on CP without seeing me in action. I also run with really nice "high CP" people (luckily more often than the rude people) who are real friendly.

I just think there needs to be some kind of punishment for people that knee-jerk instant kick people like that because of the amount of CP they have. Maybe I'm part of some crazy minority here but last I checked ESO characters aren't just "born" with 500 CP when an account is made. I guess I'm just supposed to stay out of anything content related until I have 1000 CP's as to not ruffle the feathers of these big-shot players.

Sorry for the rant, and to the nice players with or without high CP that have dungeon crawled with me, thank you.

Just to clarify, You are CP 130, and are Tanking Vet Dungeons?

Base game dungeons are pretty easy. I don't see CP130 being a problem for tanking most of them, even in hard mode. The poster mentioned that they took the time to get a decently thought-out build.

While easy, they could be a bit hectic for a returning player. Much has changed. I personally would be sticking to Normals until i've re-learned everything well enough to do Vet, as well as getting my CP to at least 160 so the gear that drops is worth the time and effort.

Though I do not feel a 130CP tank should be insta kicked either. I'd give him a chance before jumping to the Kick From Group option.

NordSwordnBoard · December 2018

Looking through necro threads for the date it was resurrected is like being a archaeologist looking at lines of sediment to see where one age ended and another began. (Or when one age kicked the other age for being bad at high CP level, or for faking it's role.)

josiahva · December 2018

I cant believe some of the responses to this post...blaming the OP for not having enough CP. For some perspective, I first tanked the Lord Warden in Hard Mode way back when I was VR4(CP40). People who think that CP these days is any indicator of skill are just deluded. Who cares what the number says as long as the person involved is adequately performing their role? If you expect perfection from the group finder...I really dont know what to even say.

Jameliel · December 2018

Dungeon-finder needs a LOT more options. The main MMOs I played before ESO all had way better designed group-finder tools. It's frustrating how in this game we can't even get a dev or lead to comment on anything. There are dozens of threads like these and they never respond. It's downright sickening the attitude zos employees display. I see a very select few such as Gina doing her best, but the rest seem to have some serious issues. Can some of you employees who read this please pass it on to those above you? There are a ton of us who would love to have a bit of interaction with the devs or someone in charge. It's normal in most mmos....here its just dead silent always. The only time I hear from any zos staff is when they randomly accuse me of something on the forums. Can we just get a response to some of our queries such as "are there any plans to improve the grouping tool"? Please? Thank you~

JJBoomer · December 2018

this is how you know a game's playerbase has become a cesspool. when the players think they have the right to dictate who gets to do what content, and come up with the criteria. those are the players that honestly deserve to have their game time wasted. they bring the whole environment down.

Merlin13KAGL · December 2018

JJBoomer wrote: »

this is how you know a game's playerbase has become a cesspool. when the players think they have the right to dictate who gets to do what content, and come up with the criteria. those are the players that honestly deserve to have their game time wasted. they bring the whole environment down.

Extreme much?

The game dictates who gets to do what content, and directly (minimums) or indirectly comes up with the criteria.

While that hybrid bow healer or S&B DPS with 50k health (both real scenarios I've run into this past week.) might be awesome, the odds are not in their favor.

Good groups will give people the chance. Experienced groups will have a pretty good idea when it would be nothing more than frustration to proceed. Reasonably, they'll convey that information via group chat, vs a blind kick with no detail as to why.

People not ready for content, people not open to suggestion or mechanics, people simply not choosing to be a group member - off doing their own thing, all are sample reasons for potentially failed runs.

If you don't think there are legitimate reasons for leaving, kicking, or flat out stopping a run, then you're outright mistaken. Staying, or having people stay, when the end result will be nothing but beating the collective head against a brick wall wastes everyone's time and does not inspire in any way.

Again, it's a group decision, right down to the disband, if that's what it takes, and it is often justified. After all, it's four peoples' time, not just one's.

Salvas_Aren · December 2018

You all know that there is some obscure practice named farm run?

Nothing hurts more than seeing the absolute sweetroll piece of the dungeon drop on a pre-160 char.

Once we ditched a pre-160 guy while farming, saying *Sorry, farmrun*.

The guy would eventually throw all sort of accusations towards our tank in whisper, ending in reporting our tank after 10 mins.

Mureel · December 2018

Jeremy wrote: »

Tizerak wrote: »

I'm a returning player and I've been running / tanking quite a bit of Vet dungeons lately (always using party finder because I don't know anyone in-game) i.e. daily pledges, random vet daily for undaunted supplies. I have about ~130 CP's since I haven't played since CP's were first introduced a year and a half-ish ago; I crafted myself a set of 5/5 Hist Bark and 4/5 Shalidor's Curse.

Anyways, more often lately I will join a group and sometimes it feels like IMMEDIATELY I get kicked before I can even enter the dungeon. It's been happening often enough that I screenshot the names of the group members so I can inquire why, I had someone tell me yesterday "i don't want to #$&* around with low CP players" honestly I reported him for harassment because the reason was BS and it locks me out of party finder for 15 minutes.

I would do /zone but now I'm worried I'll never get picked up because of my "low CP" even though I've been tanking Vet bosses just fine and have tanked a few of the HM Vet bosses (I think that's what they're called now, the one where people read that scroll before the fight). But these people just judge me based on CP without seeing me in action. I also run with really nice "high CP" people (luckily more often than the rude people) who are real friendly.

I just think there needs to be some kind of punishment for people that knee-jerk instant kick people like that because of the amount of CP they have. Maybe I'm part of some crazy minority here but last I checked ESO characters aren't just "born" with 500 CP when an account is made. I guess I'm just supposed to stay out of anything content related until I have 1000 CP's as to not ruffle the feathers of these big-shot players.

Sorry for the rant, and to the nice players with or without high CP that have dungeon crawled with me, thank you.

Look at it this way - these (in their own minds) big shot players obviously aren't very big shot if they can't even manage to complete a dungeon without having a full group of 500 CP players. So it says more about them and their own skill (or lack there of) then it does yours.

Also - and while this is just a theory of mine - I believe a lot of group kicks are unintentional and done by mistake. Some ________ players like to do a ready check and then immediately follow it with a vote to kick someone - so other players who believe they are hitting ready are actually voting to kick someone by accident. Similar mistakes can happen with travel to dungeon - because when a new player joins a group another people initiates a kick vote just as they are expecting them to be hitting the buttonto the travel to dungeon option (this has happened to me personally before).

It could also be three friends or guild mates ganging up and using the dungeon finder to troll you.

Either way, something definitely needs to be done. It's a poorly implemented system that is too easy to abuse. Some changes need to be made to it.

.....so people have to put up with a trash tank who due to insufficient resistances will likely be one shot several times in a Vet dungeon?!

OP could easily queue for normals; still get same experience and loot without inadvertently causing a wipefest.

Please think before you type.

I wouldn’t kick personally- but if tank is being a pro wiper I’ll just leave the instance.

Merlin13KAGL · December 2018

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

You all know that there is some obscure practice named farm run?

Nothing hurts more than seeing the absolute sweetroll piece of the dungeon drop on a pre-160 char.

Once we ditched a pre-160 guy while farming, saying *Sorry, farmrun*.

The guy would eventually throw all sort of accusations towards our tank in whisper, ending in reporting our tank after 10 mins.

Perfect example of not a valid reason. That's what four-man premade's are for.

He could have been Max CP and opted to keep his gear, and the effect would have been the same.

Salvas_Aren · December 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

You all know that there is some obscure practice named farm run?

Nothing hurts more than seeing the absolute sweetroll piece of the dungeon drop on a pre-160 char.

Once we ditched a pre-160 guy while farming, saying *Sorry, farmrun*.

The guy would eventually throw all sort of accusations towards our tank in whisper, ending in reporting our tank after 10 mins.

Perfect example of not a valid reason. That's what four-man premade's are for.

He could have been Max CP and opted to keep his gear, and the effect would have been the same.

Then the gear would at least not have ended as trash after 20 levels.

I know, you are one of the heroes who decons the BSW staff because *I can*.

heaven13 · December 2018

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

You all know that there is some obscure practice named farm run?

Nothing hurts more than seeing the absolute sweetroll piece of the dungeon drop on a pre-160 char.

Once we ditched a pre-160 guy while farming, saying *Sorry, farmrun*.

The guy would eventually throw all sort of accusations towards our tank in whisper, ending in reporting our tank after 10 mins.

If you want to do a farm run, pre-form with all cp160 players. If you don't have all the slots full, accept that you might miss out on a piece of gear if it drops for random player. "Farm run" is not an option in dungeon finder and pre-160 players shouldn't get the short end of the stick because you failed to find a full group.

Salvas_Aren · December 2018

Should is a nice word.

Like in: There should be a pug option for 160+ only.

Merlin13KAGL · December 2018

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

You all know that there is some obscure practice named farm run?

Nothing hurts more than seeing the absolute sweetroll piece of the dungeon drop on a pre-160 char.

Once we ditched a pre-160 guy while farming, saying *Sorry, farmrun*.

The guy would eventually throw all sort of accusations towards our tank in whisper, ending in reporting our tank after 10 mins.

Perfect example of not a valid reason. That's what four-man premade's are for.

He could have been Max CP and opted to keep his gear, and the effect would have been the same.

Then the gear would at least not have ended as trash after 20 levels.

I know, you are one of the heroes who decons the BSW staff because *I can*.

No, but I'm also not one that assumes all loot is my loot.

RDF isn't for your personal convenience, whatever your intended outcome (other than a clear). I've stated this dozens of times. Feel free to search them if you like.

If you have specific criteria, then enter with four people with that understanding or port directly. Asking someone that's otherwise capable to complete your initial group and then deciding it's no longer convenient for your situation is ***.

That 'wasted' gear might be the best they've had up to that point and work for them just fine.

We both know you don't have a problem with that. The problem you have is that it didn't go to you.

GreasyDave · December 2018

SO MUCH elitism in this thread. I thought that some of the posters were trolling but no, they're serious.
OP you shouldn't have to put up with any of this bull.
Non DLC vet pledges are easy and anyone who is high CP should be able to blast through it at high speed no matter who else is in the team. If they can't then they are the ones who are clearly failing.
If as you say you are tanking there is even less reason to kick - in a non- DLC vet pledge there are very few tough mechanics. A tank needs to be able to taunt, watch out for the odd one shot mechanic and that's pretty much it. CP is NOT important here.

Mureel · December 2018

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

You all know that there is some obscure practice named farm run?

Nothing hurts more than seeing the absolute sweetroll piece of the dungeon drop on a pre-160 char.

Once we ditched a pre-160 guy while farming, saying *Sorry, farmrun*.

The guy would eventually throw all sort of accusations towards our tank in whisper, ending in reporting our tank after 10 mins.

Perfect example of not a valid reason. That's what four-man premade's are for.

He could have been Max CP and opted to keep his gear, and the effect would have been the same.

Then the gear would at least not have ended as trash after 20 levels.

I know, you are one of the heroes who decons the BSW staff because *I can*.

Your original post so much truth! Seriously. I’d forgotten about that bit!

Mureel · December 2018

GreasyDave wrote: »

SO MUCH elitism in this thread. I thought that some of the posters were trolling but no, they're serious.
OP you shouldn't have to put up with any of this bull.
Non DLC vet pledges are easy and anyone who is high CP should be able to blast through it at high speed no matter who else is in the team. If they can't then they are the ones who are clearly failing.
If as you say you are tanking there is even less reason to kick - in a non- DLC vet pledge there are very few tough mechanics. A tank needs to be able to taunt, watch out for the odd one shot mechanic and that's pretty much it. CP is NOT important here.

It’s not elitism it’s just simple fact. It benefits the sub 160 not at all to even bother with the vet clears. Same xp either way. Only over 160cp players get the bad end of the stick in this scenario.

Wuuffyy · December 2018

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I'm guilty of this. I find 99% of randoms with lower CP don't know what their doing, don't output enough dps, don't heal, don't know mechanics. We shouldn't have to babysit lower CP levels. It's rude on their part to waste the time of others who are trying to do a quick dungeon.

No offence but thats BS.

How else will they learn but from other players and playing themselves?

You can't just say "I dont want to babysit them" because at one point or another someone babysat you. Whether it be a friend, some random, a guildie, whatever. They still babysat you.

Of course you could claim that you learnt by yourself but I highly doubt you've never asked a question on how to do something, you've struggled with a mechanic at some point or you have filled your role as efficiently as you probably should.

if they're max CP they should know better, if they're low CP perhaps they dont have the same knowledge base as you do and thus dont know as much as you. Experience. Thats the crutch for all players even me.

Fact is we are all playing a "multiplayer" game and nobody will ever be perfect unless they play way more than most.

Ex: I dont know anything about the mechanics in Maw of Lorkhaj, Yet I still ask and still try and understand what is going on. If I dont fill my role efficiently I appologise and try to do better. Just kicking people is stupid.

Kudo's too you however for acknowledging you're guilty of doing that. Next step: Stop doing it.

All of that ^ goes for everyone not just you.

My guy no one ever baby sat me. I learned from word of mouth and common sense. I invented my own grind I obtained all the gold mats I need to make my first set of divines and infused gear FOR PVP and eventually came to where I’m at now... pulling 46k without common buffs, general in pvp, 8 chars, 140 MSA runs, etc.

Point is you can and should learn. Games are meant to be fun but this is an MMO and another type of way for devs to make money. It details most everything precious being locked behind a grind wall and just like a job you have to learn how to do things correctly and have the tools that are needed to do a job.

*Play to learn

Eso101rus · December 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

this is how you know a game's playerbase has become a cesspool. when the players think they have the right to dictate who gets to do what content, and come up with the criteria. those are the players that honestly deserve to have their game time wasted. they bring the whole environment down.

Extreme much?

The game dictates who gets to do what content, and directly (minimums) or indirectly comes up with the criteria.

While that hybrid bow healer or S&B DPS with 50k health (both real scenarios I've run into this past week.) might be awesome, the odds are not in their favor.

Good groups will give people the chance. Experienced groups will have a pretty good idea when it would be nothing more than frustration to proceed. Reasonably, they'll convey that information via group chat, vs a blind kick with no detail as to why.

People not ready for content, people not open to suggestion or mechanics, people simply not choosing to be a group member - off doing their own thing, all are sample reasons for potentially failed runs.

If you don't think there are legitimate reasons for leaving, kicking, or flat out stopping a run, then you're outright mistaken. Staying, or having people stay, when the end result will be nothing but beating the collective head against a brick wall wastes everyone's time and does not inspire in any way.

Again, it's a group decision, right down to the disband, if that's what it takes, and it is often justified. After all, it's four peoples' time, not just one's.

Some very good points are made here and i would agree with most totally. The fact is simply this, I won’t vote to kick a low cp for the reason that they have lower cp. people cp does not increase your dps as much as a good rotation and knowing what you are doing.

Reasons why I vote to kick would include spammers such as bow light attack snipe arrow spray. Dps using a resto. Dragon leap into a mob when the tank has just pulled them together. Spamming hard casted frags. Etc etc.

LeagueTroll · December 2018

Jeremy wrote: »

Tizerak wrote: »

I'm a returning player and I've been running / tanking quite a bit of Vet dungeons lately (always using party finder because I don't know anyone in-game) i.e. daily pledges, random vet daily for undaunted supplies. I have about ~130 CP's since I haven't played since CP's were first introduced a year and a half-ish ago; I crafted myself a set of 5/5 Hist Bark and 4/5 Shalidor's Curse.

Anyways, more often lately I will join a group and sometimes it feels like IMMEDIATELY I get kicked before I can even enter the dungeon. It's been happening often enough that I screenshot the names of the group members so I can inquire why, I had someone tell me yesterday "i don't want to #$&* around with low CP players" honestly I reported him for harassment because the reason was BS and it locks me out of party finder for 15 minutes.

I would do /zone but now I'm worried I'll never get picked up because of my "low CP" even though I've been tanking Vet bosses just fine and have tanked a few of the HM Vet bosses (I think that's what they're called now, the one where people read that scroll before the fight). But these people just judge me based on CP without seeing me in action. I also run with really nice "high CP" people (luckily more often than the rude people) who are real friendly.

I just think there needs to be some kind of punishment for people that knee-jerk instant kick people like that because of the amount of CP they have. Maybe I'm part of some crazy minority here but last I checked ESO characters aren't just "born" with 500 CP when an account is made. I guess I'm just supposed to stay out of anything content related until I have 1000 CP's as to not ruffle the feathers of these big-shot players.

Sorry for the rant, and to the nice players with or without high CP that have dungeon crawled with me, thank you.

I agree with pretty much everything you've said. I've made several threads about this myself, in fact.

One solution would be to hide CP from other players. That's something I support.

I also agree players who abuse the kick function should be punished. Perhaps take away their access to kick other players if they are found to be abusing it. That would be a just punishment.

Self-entitled tanks are the worse at this practice. A lot of them will immediately try to kick a low CP player - then leave the dungeon if they don't get their way. It's pretty funny, but in a bad sort of way. This happened to me only yesterday in fact while doing Banished Cells 1. Banished Cells 1....

You do not need high CP to do Banished Cells 1. We just went on to 3 man it until another tank showed up toward the end.

Tanks are supposed to be entitled. Especially in boring AF low end /mid level content like non dlc vet dungeon, old dlc dungeons, crag vet trials.

LeagueTroll · December 2018

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

To the OP, not sure why you reported them for harassment because it's not that at all. You should have just moved onto the next group. CP does not always matter, believe me, but there are times when it's appropriate to be the proper CP.

In some of the more difficult dungeons, DLC Vet HM you shouldn't walk in as a 50 cp player. That simply isn't respectful to the group. However, this is a situation that is extreme.

Today I was called "Elitist"

I am more irritated by the "play your way" high CP people in Vet group dungeon content. Here is something that happened to me just today. We had a CP 106 Tank running with us for the first time in vCoA II . I was ok with this as a well geared max CP healer. He stated he was new and just wanted someone to guide him through the dungeon. I told him about each encounter, and told him if he did something right or wrong and he learned the dungeon.

On the OTHER HAND, we had a 800+ CP sorc MAG DPS in the group that had 30k+ health and the DPS was TERRIBLE. I did not say a word the entire time until we got to scoria and wiped. The last platform on vet HM was destroyed and the boss was at 75% health. I said we need to step the DPS up or we may not be able to complete the Dungeon. The 800+ CP sorc immediately told me to stop whining and encounters take longer, that's when I just had to chime in...

I simply stated a fact, that adjustments need to be made to increase DPS, so make skill/gear/rotation changes if needed. You don't need 30k + health as a MAG sorc...an 800+ CP player should know this. Oh the player said she was playing "her way" as she told me. I said that's fine to play the game your way, but there are three other people in this group and this dungeon should have taken about half the time. I'm not trying to insult anyone, just stating fact at that people need to consider others when playing group content. Was she trolling or just being stubborn?

When there are high CP players that have no clue what they are doing with builds and play have zero issue kicking them for the benefit of the group. I also don't get offended when they get made, nor do I have concerns for their "feelings". If they want to play the more difficult group content then they should be geared for it and have a reasonable build for it. Don't feel bad about kicking them AT ALL, you will be called names but they are the players wasting time for others.

These trash cans often hate whisper me after I kick them. And everytime they end up blocking me as continue dish out more insults.

* as I continue dish out more insults

Sailor_Palutena · December 2018

A good reason to kick are people who find anything to delay progress with stupid argument.

Got in a group where the healer was threatning to stop healing if the Tank kept self-healing himself.
Then the tank started to threat him by no taunting at all.

Don't people understand that waiting in queue as bugged and long it currently is, isn't worth a kick for lame reasons? Let the guy self-heal! As long as he taunts its his problem. As NB my last hit heals me, so I'm going to stop killing because the healer can't stand it?