Snipe

Brutusmax1mus · November 2018

Same room, fix your game zos. https://imgur.com/gallery/5DzTrUE
My wife and me. Shows the delay and health desync. She's not even in stealth. 4 videos total, so scroll down.

It's not a glitch, it's not an emote exploit, it's the skill being bughed for nearly 4 years. Delete the skill, recode it.

Brutusmax1mus · November 2018

Literally what everyone's talking about https://imgur.com/gallery/ITwxF3x

NuarBlack · November 2018

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Literally what everyone's talking about https://imgur.com/gallery/ITwxF3x

I don't mind this snipe complaint as it specifically targets the health desync issue.

But it might be more than just a problem with snipe. Health desync happens to almost every skill. It's just way more obvious because of the way snipe works with its long travel time and the graphic of the projectile arc making it more noticeable. So ZoS has some serious work to do on the net code.

Metemsycosis · November 2018

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Literally what everyone's talking about https://imgur.com/gallery/ITwxF3x

Literally needs a thread of its own, stickied till there's some measure of a fix.
Imho.

Pain In The Axe · November 2018

All noobs have bows
But not all people with bows are noobs

but for real if i see anyone with a bow equipt I kill them first there is nothing talented about spamming snipe lol

Thogard · November 2018

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Same room, fix your game zos. https://imgur.com/gallery/5DzTrUE
My wife and me. Shows the delay and health desync. She's not even in stealth. 4 videos total, so scroll down.

It's not a glitch, it's not an emote exploit, it's the skill being bughed for nearly 4 years. Delete the skill, recode it.

this is amazing footage!

Toc de Malsvi · November 2018

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Literally what everyone's talking about https://imgur.com/gallery/ITwxF3x

The defile and poisoned debuff is shown from the first snipe. Also some of the snipes are animated. Which is why with dodge roll on stam I never die from this. I died once maybe 6 months ago, then noticed the defile debuff the next time and dodged and los'd.

It is interesting that you show it outside of stealth. Perhaps cloak only provides a stronger safety net and burst capacity, encouraging players to use.

That said however this doesn't prove anything other than a health desync. Everyone knew it can glitch out, and is still easily mitigated if you pay attention.

You wont find me spamming snipe, but you also wont find me complaining about it. Its strong with many counters, spamming snipe is largely ineffective. You are just hoping you can glitch out someone or burst bad builds. You will get some kills meanwhile your group is losing the BG/Cyrodiil battle while you attempt to kill one guy.

Snipe builds are not dominating cyrodiil or BGs, they are merely annoying pesks to bother your game. I'm not saying they cannot be good group support in the right context, or that they cannot in isolation get good BG scores. I'm saying there is a legitimate reason no "elite" pvper uses snipe.

Brutusmax1mus · November 2018

Thogard wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Same room, fix your game zos. https://imgur.com/gallery/5DzTrUE
My wife and me. Shows the delay and health desync. She's not even in stealth. 4 videos total, so scroll down.

It's not a glitch, it's not an emote exploit, it's the skill being bughed for nearly 4 years. Delete the skill, recode it.

this is amazing footage!

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Literally what everyone's talking about https://imgur.com/gallery/ITwxF3x

The defile and poisoned debuff is shown from the first snipe. Also some of the snipes are animated. Which is why with dodge roll on stam I never die from this. I died once maybe 6 months ago, then noticed the defile debuff the next time and dodged and los'd.

It is interesting that you show it outside of stealth. Perhaps cloak only provides a stronger safety net and burst capacity, encouraging players to use.

That said however this doesn't prove anything other than a health desync. Everyone knew it can glitch out, and is still easily mitigated if you pay attention.

You wont find me spamming snipe, but you also wont find me complaining about it. Its strong with many counters, spamming snipe is largely ineffective. You are just hoping you can glitch out someone or burst bad builds. You will get some kills meanwhile your group is losing the BG/Cyrodiil battle while you attempt to kill one guy.

Snipe builds are not dominating cyrodiil or BGs, they are merely annoying pesks to bother your game. I'm not saying they cannot be good group support in the right context, or that they cannot in isolation get good BG scores. I'm saying there is a legitimate reason no "elite" pvper uses snipe.

You're fooling yourself if you think actively looking for the defile debuff is realistic outside of getting ganked. Ive got videos videos with 15 buffs/debuffs active, what you say only applies to when you're already not in combat.

That also has nothing to do with the fact that it's broken and needs to be recoded and fixed. Players should see the attack, hear the attack, and feel the attack properly.

Toc de Malsvi · November 2018

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Same room, fix your game zos. https://imgur.com/gallery/5DzTrUE
My wife and me. Shows the delay and health desync. She's not even in stealth. 4 videos total, so scroll down.

It's not a glitch, it's not an emote exploit, it's the skill being bughed for nearly 4 years. Delete the skill, recode it.

this is amazing footage!

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Literally what everyone's talking about https://imgur.com/gallery/ITwxF3x

The defile and poisoned debuff is shown from the first snipe. Also some of the snipes are animated. Which is why with dodge roll on stam I never die from this. I died once maybe 6 months ago, then noticed the defile debuff the next time and dodged and los'd.

It is interesting that you show it outside of stealth. Perhaps cloak only provides a stronger safety net and burst capacity, encouraging players to use.

That said however this doesn't prove anything other than a health desync. Everyone knew it can glitch out, and is still easily mitigated if you pay attention.

You wont find me spamming snipe, but you also wont find me complaining about it. Its strong with many counters, spamming snipe is largely ineffective. You are just hoping you can glitch out someone or burst bad builds. You will get some kills meanwhile your group is losing the BG/Cyrodiil battle while you attempt to kill one guy.

Snipe builds are not dominating cyrodiil or BGs, they are merely annoying pesks to bother your game. I'm not saying they cannot be good group support in the right context, or that they cannot in isolation get good BG scores. I'm saying there is a legitimate reason no "elite" pvper uses snipe.

You're fooling yourself if you think actively looking for the defile debuff is realistic outside of getting ganked. Ive got videos videos with 15 buffs/debuffs active, what you say only applies to when you're already not in combat.

That also has nothing to do with the fact that it's broken and needs to be recoded and fixed. Players should see the attack, hear the attack, and feel the attack properly.

I am not having any issues identifying when I am being Sniped. That doesn't mean I successfully win or even survive when fighting 1vX. But I am completely aware of being sniped and I don't have PC addons to tell me.

That is not to say I disagree with the statement that it is not functioning properly and should be fixed. I agree, it isn't working properly and should be fixed. Only I am not dying to Snipe any more than any other skill, in fact I die much less to snipe than almost any other skill.

I think the rage about snipe is primarily from inexperienced players and secondarily from hyperbolic experienced players who hate the skill. There are several players on here that exhibit a borderline fetish with their animosity toward snipe and players who use it. They do not attempt to be objective or debate reality but rather intentionally mislead and exaggerate to promote a specific cause.

Hochstapler · November 2018

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

I am not having any issues identifying when I am being Sniped. That doesn't mean I successfully win or even survive when fighting 1vX. But I am completely aware of being sniped and I don't have PC addons to tell me.

That is not to say I disagree with the statement that it is not functioning properly and should be fixed. I agree, it isn't working properly and should be fixed. Only I am not dying to Snipe any more than any other skill, in fact I die much less to snipe than almost any other skill.

I think the rage about snipe is primarily from inexperienced players and secondarily from hyperbolic experienced players who hate the skill. There are several players on here that exhibit a borderline fetish with their animosity toward snipe and players who use it. They do not attempt to be objective or debate reality but rather intentionally mislead and exaggerate to promote a specific cause.

You are wasting your time being the voice of reason bro.
Emotion trumps reason and these emo kids will just ignore your post and wont learn anything.
We are all better off letting this dumb thread die at this point.

Brutusmax1mus · November 2018

Hochstapler wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

I am not having any issues identifying when I am being Sniped. That doesn't mean I successfully win or even survive when fighting 1vX. But I am completely aware of being sniped and I don't have PC addons to tell me.

That is not to say I disagree with the statement that it is not functioning properly and should be fixed. I agree, it isn't working properly and should be fixed. Only I am not dying to Snipe any more than any other skill, in fact I die much less to snipe than almost any other skill.

I think the rage about snipe is primarily from inexperienced players and secondarily from hyperbolic experienced players who hate the skill. There are several players on here that exhibit a borderline fetish with their animosity toward snipe and players who use it. They do not attempt to be objective or debate reality but rather intentionally mislead and exaggerate to promote a specific cause.

You are wasting your time being the voice of reason bro.
Emotion trumps reason and these emo kids will just ignore your post without learning anything.
We are all better off letting this dumb thread die at this point.

You mean the thread showing how the skill is literally broken? Oh yes that's all emotion, nothing else, yep... snipe needs to be fixed.

Hochstapler · November 2018

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Hochstapler wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

I am not having any issues identifying when I am being Sniped. That doesn't mean I successfully win or even survive when fighting 1vX. But I am completely aware of being sniped and I don't have PC addons to tell me.

That is not to say I disagree with the statement that it is not functioning properly and should be fixed. I agree, it isn't working properly and should be fixed. Only I am not dying to Snipe any more than any other skill, in fact I die much less to snipe than almost any other skill.

I think the rage about snipe is primarily from inexperienced players and secondarily from hyperbolic experienced players who hate the skill. There are several players on here that exhibit a borderline fetish with their animosity toward snipe and players who use it. They do not attempt to be objective or debate reality but rather intentionally mislead and exaggerate to promote a specific cause.

You are wasting your time being the voice of reason bro.
Emotion trumps reason and these emo kids will just ignore your post without learning anything.
We are all better off letting this dumb thread die at this point.

You mean the thread showing how the skill is literally broken? Oh yes that's all emotion, nothing else, yep... snipe needs to be fixed.

You showed health desync, a very well known technical issue.
It happens with every killer combo in game, not only snipe.
And instead of pressing ZoS to stop being so cheap and upgrade the servers here we are, wasting time and energy fighting symptoms instead of going for the root cause.

Guess who's laughing all the way to the bank.

Jimmy_The_Fixer · November 2018

Hochstapler wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

I am not having any issues identifying when I am being Sniped. That doesn't mean I successfully win or even survive when fighting 1vX. But I am completely aware of being sniped and I don't have PC addons to tell me.

That is not to say I disagree with the statement that it is not functioning properly and should be fixed. I agree, it isn't working properly and should be fixed. Only I am not dying to Snipe any more than any other skill, in fact I die much less to snipe than almost any other skill.

I think the rage about snipe is primarily from inexperienced players and secondarily from hyperbolic experienced players who hate the skill. There are several players on here that exhibit a borderline fetish with their animosity toward snipe and players who use it. They do not attempt to be objective or debate reality but rather intentionally mislead and exaggerate to promote a specific cause.

You are wasting your time being the voice of reason bro.
Emotion trumps reason and these emo kids will just ignore your post and wont learn anything.
We are all better off letting this dumb thread die at this point.

Is he really being the voice of reason? Or is he just insulting people that you don't agree with? Because you just praised someone for being toxic and dismissive.

Brutusmax1mus · November 2018

Hochstapler wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Hochstapler wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

I am not having any issues identifying when I am being Sniped. That doesn't mean I successfully win or even survive when fighting 1vX. But I am completely aware of being sniped and I don't have PC addons to tell me.

That is not to say I disagree with the statement that it is not functioning properly and should be fixed. I agree, it isn't working properly and should be fixed. Only I am not dying to Snipe any more than any other skill, in fact I die much less to snipe than almost any other skill.

I think the rage about snipe is primarily from inexperienced players and secondarily from hyperbolic experienced players who hate the skill. There are several players on here that exhibit a borderline fetish with their animosity toward snipe and players who use it. They do not attempt to be objective or debate reality but rather intentionally mislead and exaggerate to promote a specific cause.

You are wasting your time being the voice of reason bro.
Emotion trumps reason and these emo kids will just ignore your post without learning anything.
We are all better off letting this dumb thread die at this point.

You mean the thread showing how the skill is literally broken? Oh yes that's all emotion, nothing else, yep... snipe needs to be fixed.

You showed health desync, a very well known technical issue.
It happens with every killer combo in game, not only snipe.
And instead of pressing ZoS to stop being so cheap and upgrade the servers here we are, wasting time and energy fighting symptoms instead of going for the root cause.

I showed 3 snipes not registering damage, then the lock out, then popping 100 to 0 health and all snipes hiting at once. That's not the health desync. The first 4 show thur desync

Hochstapler · November 2018

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

I showed 3 snipes not registering damage, then the lock out, then popping 100 to 0 health and all snipes hiting at once. That's not the health desync. The first 4 show thur desync

You showed technical issue/bug.
That's isn't PVP balance problem, at all.
If snipe was removed from game today, tomorrow you'll be here showing videos of Stamblade melee burst combos "insta killing you" with no time to react.

martinhpb16_ESO · November 2018

frostz417 wrote: »

Yes because everyone plays a wing slamming DK, and everyone just hides around looking for snipe spammers.
Everyone has enough space to slot radiant magelight on their bars.
You give atrocious solutions for an actual issue.
You opted to look like a snipe spamming zergling for defending such a garbage playstyle.

"Snipe spamming" is hyperbole.

If its being spammed then presumably it doesn't do much damage and its not a problem and the person spamming can somehow survive just standing there with a long induction.

And "everyone is playing DK" and "everyone is hiding looking for snipe spammers"?

"Garbage playstyle"?

What about garbage forum posts?

templesus · November 2018

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Same room, fix your game zos. https://imgur.com/gallery/5DzTrUE
My wife and me. Shows the delay and health desync. She's not even in stealth. 4 videos total, so scroll down.

It's not a glitch, it's not an emote exploit, it's the skill being bughed for nearly 4 years. Delete the skill, recode it.

this is amazing footage!

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Literally what everyone's talking about https://imgur.com/gallery/ITwxF3x

The defile and poisoned debuff is shown from the first snipe. Also some of the snipes are animated. Which is why with dodge roll on stam I never die from this. I died once maybe 6 months ago, then noticed the defile debuff the next time and dodged and los'd.

It is interesting that you show it outside of stealth. Perhaps cloak only provides a stronger safety net and burst capacity, encouraging players to use.

That said however this doesn't prove anything other than a health desync. Everyone knew it can glitch out, and is still easily mitigated if you pay attention.

You wont find me spamming snipe, but you also wont find me complaining about it. Its strong with many counters, spamming snipe is largely ineffective. You are just hoping you can glitch out someone or burst bad builds. You will get some kills meanwhile your group is losing the BG/Cyrodiil battle while you attempt to kill one guy.

Snipe builds are not dominating cyrodiil or BGs, they are merely annoying pesks to bother your game. I'm not saying they cannot be good group support in the right context, or that they cannot in isolation get good BG scores. I'm saying there is a legitimate reason no "elite" pvper uses snipe.

You're fooling yourself if you think actively looking for the defile debuff is realistic outside of getting ganked. Ive got videos videos with 15 buffs/debuffs active, what you say only applies to when you're already not in combat.

That also has nothing to do with the fact that it's broken and needs to be recoded and fixed. Players should see the attack, hear the attack, and feel the attack properly.

I am not having any issues identifying when I am being Sniped. That doesn't mean I successfully win or even survive when fighting 1vX. But I am completely aware of being sniped and I don't have PC addons to tell me.

That is not to say I disagree with the statement that it is not functioning properly and should be fixed. I agree, it isn't working properly and should be fixed. Only I am not dying to Snipe any more than any other skill, in fact I die much less to snipe than almost any other skill.

I think the rage about snipe is primarily from inexperienced players and secondarily from hyperbolic experienced players who hate the skill. There are several players on here that exhibit a borderline fetish with their animosity toward snipe and players who use it. They do not attempt to be objective or debate reality but rather intentionally mislead and exaggerate to promote a specific cause.

This may be the biggest strawman I’ve seen on these forums. Just wow, generalizing anybody anti-snipe as subjective, illogical people who exaggerate everything. Just wow.

Brutusmax1mus · November 2018

Hochstapler wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

I showed 3 snipes not registering damage, then the lock out, then popping 100 to 0 health and all snipes hiting at once. That's not the health desync. The first 4 show thur desync

You showed technical issue/bug.
That's isn't PVP balance problem, at all.
If snipe was removed from game today, tomorrow you'll be here showing videos of Stamblade melee burst combos "insta killing you" with no time to react.

Is that what this thread is? Didn't even read it, Just figured id post a video i made for zos in it. Either way, wtf u attacking me for? Just because you're defending a broken mechanic doesn't mean i'm complaining about balance when i demonstrate how broken things are. It needs to be fixed.

Hochstapler · November 2018

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Is that what this thread is? Didn't even read it, Just figured id post a video i made for zos in it. Either way, wtf u attacking me for? Just because you're defending a broken mechanic doesn't mean i'm complaining about balance when i demonstrate how broken things are. It needs to be fixed.

I'm not attacking you, it's the other way around.
You quoted my post that was responding to other poster.
This thread was made by an ignorant potato that keeps dieing to other potato's snipes even though there are so many counters.

This isn't ' ZoS plz fix tech issues plaguing your game" thread.
Read the OP.

You are showing a legit issue in your videos but it has to do with all burst combos in the game, not a single ability.

Toc de Malsvi · November 2018

templesus wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Same room, fix your game zos. https://imgur.com/gallery/5DzTrUE
My wife and me. Shows the delay and health desync. She's not even in stealth. 4 videos total, so scroll down.

It's not a glitch, it's not an emote exploit, it's the skill being bughed for nearly 4 years. Delete the skill, recode it.

this is amazing footage!

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Literally what everyone's talking about https://imgur.com/gallery/ITwxF3x

The defile and poisoned debuff is shown from the first snipe. Also some of the snipes are animated. Which is why with dodge roll on stam I never die from this. I died once maybe 6 months ago, then noticed the defile debuff the next time and dodged and los'd.

It is interesting that you show it outside of stealth. Perhaps cloak only provides a stronger safety net and burst capacity, encouraging players to use.

That said however this doesn't prove anything other than a health desync. Everyone knew it can glitch out, and is still easily mitigated if you pay attention.

You wont find me spamming snipe, but you also wont find me complaining about it. Its strong with many counters, spamming snipe is largely ineffective. You are just hoping you can glitch out someone or burst bad builds. You will get some kills meanwhile your group is losing the BG/Cyrodiil battle while you attempt to kill one guy.

Snipe builds are not dominating cyrodiil or BGs, they are merely annoying pesks to bother your game. I'm not saying they cannot be good group support in the right context, or that they cannot in isolation get good BG scores. I'm saying there is a legitimate reason no "elite" pvper uses snipe.

You're fooling yourself if you think actively looking for the defile debuff is realistic outside of getting ganked. Ive got videos videos with 15 buffs/debuffs active, what you say only applies to when you're already not in combat.

That also has nothing to do with the fact that it's broken and needs to be recoded and fixed. Players should see the attack, hear the attack, and feel the attack properly.

I am not having any issues identifying when I am being Sniped. That doesn't mean I successfully win or even survive when fighting 1vX. But I am completely aware of being sniped and I don't have PC addons to tell me.

That is not to say I disagree with the statement that it is not functioning properly and should be fixed. I agree, it isn't working properly and should be fixed. Only I am not dying to Snipe any more than any other skill, in fact I die much less to snipe than almost any other skill.

I think the rage about snipe is primarily from inexperienced players and secondarily from hyperbolic experienced players who hate the skill. There are several players on here that exhibit a borderline fetish with their animosity toward snipe and players who use it. They do not attempt to be objective or debate reality but rather intentionally mislead and exaggerate to promote a specific cause.

This may be the biggest strawman I’ve seen on these forums. Just wow, generalizing anybody anti-snipe as subjective, illogical people who exaggerate everything. Just wow.

Not anyone but you read into it what you wanted to. I prefaced it with my opinion and I have no monopoly on facts. There may very well be other sources of this outrage but from my perspective this is all I see.

Let me ask you do you use this OP skill? Do you advise others to use it? Does any "elite" build have Snipe as a part of the skill set?

The very same parrots laughing at "Bowtards" and the "pathetic bow builds" are screaming about the OP Snipe. Not because its good enough for them to consider changing their setup, rather because they hate dying due to additional pressure from Snipe which was too much on top of everything else.

So is it broken, well sure from time to time it doesn't register properly. Is it so OP that it is more popular than Spin to Win? Or bleeds? Or any meta build? Hardly.

In a world where the majority of the player base gravitates to the easiest source of AP, I still only see the odd Sniper in BGs. In my experience about every other BG or less there is a single player running a "snipe spam" build. In my experience in Cyrodiil for every Zerg there is between 2-5 "snipe spammers" yet little thought goes towards the other 10-30 players running around without Snipe.

Make no mistake Snipe is only really good Xv1, and ganking inexperienced players. Otherwise its average to below average at best.

geonsocal · November 2018

Snipe = sometimes bad things happen to good people...

it's not really snipe so much as snipe plus lag that's super frustrating to deal with...

although after watching thogard's vid (one of my favorite eso vids ever), he kind of proves a very good point...

I love this vid...well done, really well done

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPZpSw68Yz8[/quote]

NuarBlack · November 2018

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Same room, fix your game zos. https://imgur.com/gallery/5DzTrUE
My wife and me. Shows the delay and health desync. She's not even in stealth. 4 videos total, so scroll down.

It's not a glitch, it's not an emote exploit, it's the skill being bughed for nearly 4 years. Delete the skill, recode it.

this is amazing footage!

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Literally what everyone's talking about https://imgur.com/gallery/ITwxF3x

The defile and poisoned debuff is shown from the first snipe. Also some of the snipes are animated. Which is why with dodge roll on stam I never die from this. I died once maybe 6 months ago, then noticed the defile debuff the next time and dodged and los'd.

It is interesting that you show it outside of stealth. Perhaps cloak only provides a stronger safety net and burst capacity, encouraging players to use.

That said however this doesn't prove anything other than a health desync. Everyone knew it can glitch out, and is still easily mitigated if you pay attention.

You wont find me spamming snipe, but you also wont find me complaining about it. Its strong with many counters, spamming snipe is largely ineffective. You are just hoping you can glitch out someone or burst bad builds. You will get some kills meanwhile your group is losing the BG/Cyrodiil battle while you attempt to kill one guy.

Snipe builds are not dominating cyrodiil or BGs, they are merely annoying pesks to bother your game. I'm not saying they cannot be good group support in the right context, or that they cannot in isolation get good BG scores. I'm saying there is a legitimate reason no "elite" pvper uses snipe.

You're fooling yourself if you think actively looking for the defile debuff is realistic outside of getting ganked. Ive got videos videos with 15 buffs/debuffs active, what you say only applies to when you're already not in combat.

That also has nothing to do with the fact that it's broken and needs to be recoded and fixed. Players should see the attack, hear the attack, and feel the attack properly.

I am not having any issues identifying when I am being Sniped. That doesn't mean I successfully win or even survive when fighting 1vX. But I am completely aware of being sniped and I don't have PC addons to tell me.

That is not to say I disagree with the statement that it is not functioning properly and should be fixed. I agree, it isn't working properly and should be fixed. Only I am not dying to Snipe any more than any other skill, in fact I die much less to snipe than almost any other skill.

I think the rage about snipe is primarily from inexperienced players and secondarily from hyperbolic experienced players who hate the skill. There are several players on here that exhibit a borderline fetish with their animosity toward snipe and players who use it. They do not attempt to be objective or debate reality but rather intentionally mislead and exaggerate to promote a specific cause.

This may be the biggest strawman I’ve seen on these forums. Just wow, generalizing anybody anti-snipe as subjective, illogical people who exaggerate everything. Just wow.

Not anyone but you read into it what you wanted to. I prefaced it with my opinion and I have no monopoly on facts. There may very well be other sources of this outrage but from my perspective this is all I see.

Let me ask you do you use this OP skill? Do you advise others to use it? Does any "elite" build have Snipe as a part of the skill set?

The very same parrots laughing at "Bowtards" and the "pathetic bow builds" are screaming about the OP Snipe. Not because its good enough for them to consider changing their setup, rather because they hate dying due to additional pressure from Snipe which was too much on top of everything else.

So is it broken, well sure from time to time it doesn't register properly. Is it so OP that it is more popular than Spin to Win? Or bleeds? Or any meta build? Hardly.

In a world where the majority of the player base gravitates to the easiest source of AP, I still only see the odd Sniper in BGs. In my experience about every other BG or less there is a single player running a "snipe spam" build. In my experience in Cyrodiil for every Zerg there is between 2-5 "snipe spammers" yet little thought goes towards the other 10-30 players running around without Snipe.

Make no mistake Snipe is only really good Xv1, and ganking inexperienced players. Otherwise its average to below average at best.

Exactly!

Wait till they actually fix the bow skill line or make some change to a class skill that synergizes with bow so it actually becomes a viable play style or god forbid meta and the tears wil really start flowing.

templesus · November 2018

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Same room, fix your game zos. https://imgur.com/gallery/5DzTrUE
My wife and me. Shows the delay and health desync. She's not even in stealth. 4 videos total, so scroll down.

It's not a glitch, it's not an emote exploit, it's the skill being bughed for nearly 4 years. Delete the skill, recode it.

this is amazing footage!

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Literally what everyone's talking about https://imgur.com/gallery/ITwxF3x

The defile and poisoned debuff is shown from the first snipe. Also some of the snipes are animated. Which is why with dodge roll on stam I never die from this. I died once maybe 6 months ago, then noticed the defile debuff the next time and dodged and los'd.

It is interesting that you show it outside of stealth. Perhaps cloak only provides a stronger safety net and burst capacity, encouraging players to use.

That said however this doesn't prove anything other than a health desync. Everyone knew it can glitch out, and is still easily mitigated if you pay attention.

You wont find me spamming snipe, but you also wont find me complaining about it. Its strong with many counters, spamming snipe is largely ineffective. You are just hoping you can glitch out someone or burst bad builds. You will get some kills meanwhile your group is losing the BG/Cyrodiil battle while you attempt to kill one guy.

Snipe builds are not dominating cyrodiil or BGs, they are merely annoying pesks to bother your game. I'm not saying they cannot be good group support in the right context, or that they cannot in isolation get good BG scores. I'm saying there is a legitimate reason no "elite" pvper uses snipe.

You're fooling yourself if you think actively looking for the defile debuff is realistic outside of getting ganked. Ive got videos videos with 15 buffs/debuffs active, what you say only applies to when you're already not in combat.

That also has nothing to do with the fact that it's broken and needs to be recoded and fixed. Players should see the attack, hear the attack, and feel the attack properly.

I am not having any issues identifying when I am being Sniped. That doesn't mean I successfully win or even survive when fighting 1vX. But I am completely aware of being sniped and I don't have PC addons to tell me.

That is not to say I disagree with the statement that it is not functioning properly and should be fixed. I agree, it isn't working properly and should be fixed. Only I am not dying to Snipe any more than any other skill, in fact I die much less to snipe than almost any other skill.

I think the rage about snipe is primarily from inexperienced players and secondarily from hyperbolic experienced players who hate the skill. There are several players on here that exhibit a borderline fetish with their animosity toward snipe and players who use it. They do not attempt to be objective or debate reality but rather intentionally mislead and exaggerate to promote a specific cause.

This may be the biggest strawman I’ve seen on these forums. Just wow, generalizing anybody anti-snipe as subjective, illogical people who exaggerate everything. Just wow.

Not anyone but you read into it what you wanted to. I prefaced it with my opinion and I have no monopoly on facts. There may very well be other sources of this outrage but from my perspective this is all I see.

Let me ask you do you use this OP skill? Do you advise others to use it? Does any "elite" build have Snipe as a part of the skill set?

The very same parrots laughing at "Bowtards" and the "pathetic bow builds" are screaming about the OP Snipe. Not because its good enough for them to consider changing their setup, rather because they hate dying due to additional pressure from Snipe which was too much on top of everything else.

So is it broken, well sure from time to time it doesn't register properly. Is it so OP that it is more popular than Spin to Win? Or bleeds? Or any meta build? Hardly.

In a world where the majority of the player base gravitates to the easiest source of AP, I still only see the odd Sniper in BGs. In my experience about every other BG or less there is a single player running a "snipe spam" build. In my experience in Cyrodiil for every Zerg there is between 2-5 "snipe spammers" yet little thought goes towards the other 10-30 players running around without Snipe.

Make no mistake Snipe is only really good Xv1, and ganking inexperienced players. Otherwise its average to below average at best.

You mistake people who use snipe for those who are knowledgeable about game mechanics. They aren’t. In my experience people who use snipe likely have little to no experience using anything else, thus they have extremely below average actual combat skills. They would perform exponentially worse would they try to use Bleeds, Steel Tornado, or FoTM builds.

On the flip side, in my experience the people who say snipe is fine and doesn’t effect them usually run around cyrodiil with 40k+ health on builds that do not kill anyone. They are builds specifically tailored towards surviving in cyrodiil and not doing any damage whatsoever. Such builds do not justify a defense for snipe, but rather highlight the faults with it. You need to run a tank build to deal with them.

This isn’t to say the above is always true, however in my experience it is suffice to say it is typical. That’s why most people who use snipe and defend it are frowned and looked down upon.

PhoenixGrey · November 2018

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Hochstapler wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

I showed 3 snipes not registering damage, then the lock out, then popping 100 to 0 health and all snipes hiting at once. That's not the health desync. The first 4 show thur desync

You showed technical issue/bug.
That's isn't PVP balance problem, at all.
If snipe was removed from game today, tomorrow you'll be here showing videos of Stamblade melee burst combos "insta killing you" with no time to react.

Is that what this thread is? Didn't even read it, Just figured id post a video i made for zos in it. Either way, wtf u attacking me for? Just because you're defending a broken mechanic doesn't mean i'm complaining about balance when i demonstrate how broken things are. It needs to be fixed.

He is attacking you because he along with 60% of the pvp population need to find another game to play.

It doesnt take Einstein to figure out why this hasn't been fixed for 4 years straight

killimandrosb16_ESO · November 2018

templesus wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Same room, fix your game zos. https://imgur.com/gallery/5DzTrUE
My wife and me. Shows the delay and health desync. She's not even in stealth. 4 videos total, so scroll down.

It's not a glitch, it's not an emote exploit, it's the skill being bughed for nearly 4 years. Delete the skill, recode it.

this is amazing footage!

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Literally what everyone's talking about https://imgur.com/gallery/ITwxF3x

The defile and poisoned debuff is shown from the first snipe. Also some of the snipes are animated. Which is why with dodge roll on stam I never die from this. I died once maybe 6 months ago, then noticed the defile debuff the next time and dodged and los'd.

It is interesting that you show it outside of stealth. Perhaps cloak only provides a stronger safety net and burst capacity, encouraging players to use.

That said however this doesn't prove anything other than a health desync. Everyone knew it can glitch out, and is still easily mitigated if you pay attention.

You wont find me spamming snipe, but you also wont find me complaining about it. Its strong with many counters, spamming snipe is largely ineffective. You are just hoping you can glitch out someone or burst bad builds. You will get some kills meanwhile your group is losing the BG/Cyrodiil battle while you attempt to kill one guy.

Snipe builds are not dominating cyrodiil or BGs, they are merely annoying pesks to bother your game. I'm not saying they cannot be good group support in the right context, or that they cannot in isolation get good BG scores. I'm saying there is a legitimate reason no "elite" pvper uses snipe.

You're fooling yourself if you think actively looking for the defile debuff is realistic outside of getting ganked. Ive got videos videos with 15 buffs/debuffs active, what you say only applies to when you're already not in combat.

That also has nothing to do with the fact that it's broken and needs to be recoded and fixed. Players should see the attack, hear the attack, and feel the attack properly.

I am not having any issues identifying when I am being Sniped. That doesn't mean I successfully win or even survive when fighting 1vX. But I am completely aware of being sniped and I don't have PC addons to tell me.

That is not to say I disagree with the statement that it is not functioning properly and should be fixed. I agree, it isn't working properly and should be fixed. Only I am not dying to Snipe any more than any other skill, in fact I die much less to snipe than almost any other skill.

I think the rage about snipe is primarily from inexperienced players and secondarily from hyperbolic experienced players who hate the skill. There are several players on here that exhibit a borderline fetish with their animosity toward snipe and players who use it. They do not attempt to be objective or debate reality but rather intentionally mislead and exaggerate to promote a specific cause.

This may be the biggest strawman I’ve seen on these forums. Just wow, generalizing anybody anti-snipe as subjective, illogical people who exaggerate everything. Just wow.

Not anyone but you read into it what you wanted to. I prefaced it with my opinion and I have no monopoly on facts. There may very well be other sources of this outrage but from my perspective this is all I see.

Let me ask you do you use this OP skill? Do you advise others to use it? Does any "elite" build have Snipe as a part of the skill set?

The very same parrots laughing at "Bowtards" and the "pathetic bow builds" are screaming about the OP Snipe. Not because its good enough for them to consider changing their setup, rather because they hate dying due to additional pressure from Snipe which was too much on top of everything else.

So is it broken, well sure from time to time it doesn't register properly. Is it so OP that it is more popular than Spin to Win? Or bleeds? Or any meta build? Hardly.

In a world where the majority of the player base gravitates to the easiest source of AP, I still only see the odd Sniper in BGs. In my experience about every other BG or less there is a single player running a "snipe spam" build. In my experience in Cyrodiil for every Zerg there is between 2-5 "snipe spammers" yet little thought goes towards the other 10-30 players running around without Snipe.

Make no mistake Snipe is only really good Xv1, and ganking inexperienced players. Otherwise its average to below average at best.

You mistake people who use snipe for those who are knowledgeable about game mechanics. They aren’t. In my experience people who use snipe likely have little to no experience using anything else, thus they have extremely below average actual combat skills. They would perform exponentially worse would they try to use Bleeds, Steel Tornado, or FoTM builds.

On the flip side, in my experience the people who say snipe is fine and doesn’t effect them usually run around cyrodiil with 40k+ health on builds that do not kill anyone. They are builds specifically tailored towards surviving in cyrodiil and not doing any damage whatsoever. Such builds do not justify a defense for snipe, but rather highlight the faults with it. You need to run a tank build to deal with them.

This isn’t to say the above is always true, however in my experience it is suffice to say it is typical. That’s why most people who use snipe and defend it are frowned and looked down upon.

First of all, let me say I also believe snipe needs its damage and CC (in particular) toned down. But you really dont put much effort into trying to convince anyone, or trying to have an objective discussion. First of all, the way you categorize players is at best hillarious. So someone uses a skill you personally dont like? That means theyre bad players...wtf dude? Too much skooma?Then you try to give reason for this statement with "its like this because I say so". Youre the archetype of elitist player, and since youre struggling so much with snipe...well..
Then you continue tossing steel tornado and bleed builds into the discussion, and obviously the ones spamming steel tornado, is a pro, or the ones (ab)using a bleed build...Thats a contradiction. Steel tornado is ONE skill, and is often spammed in a PBAoE group where the objective is to lay down as much PBAoE as possible, obviously. No solo player would rely on steel tornado in a 1v1 or a 1vx situation? Yes bleed builds you got more or less right. it normally takes 2 skills to make it work, so I guess thats something....But hey, snipe builds also spam cloak, dont they? So that makes it as challenging to play as a bleed build

The issue here, to conclude, is not your personal opinion on players taking advantage of the way snipe and NB class synergizes, all your salt you can keep for yourself. And I dont understand why theyre frowned upon, they abuse a certain setup which is OP, but theres a LOT of setups like that, some worse, some not so bad. As someone pointed out, if player X only spams snipe, without any preparation to that skill before and after, only really low health players with no defence and no positional awareness will die. Lately in BG's which I play a lot, I get hit by solid snipes, but theyre not from potatoes, theyre from players who know exactly what they do, and how to benefit the most from that setup. These are the ones who are dangerous, and the reason why first of all in my personal opinion, the CC must go. Then youd have to look at how NB synergizes with certain skills, mainly attacks from cloak. Its not only snipe which is on the border. I believe there should not exist any setup which allows any player to kill another player without that player being able to react and counter the attack in some way. Here again CC is an issue, very often combined with attacks from stealth (which other classes than NB can do). But,trying to show your superiority towards players trying to discuss snipe and all things affecting it,doesnt support your stance much. When I read you I am actually itching to go and transform my NB master axe bleed build ganker to a sniper just for the nyahnyahnay. It wouldnt matter, I would still be stuck with the immortal resource tower hamsters :P
Best regards my magplar main.

Zeromaz · December 2018

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Hochstapler wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

I am not having any issues identifying when I am being Sniped. That doesn't mean I successfully win or even survive when fighting 1vX. But I am completely aware of being sniped and I don't have PC addons to tell me.

That is not to say I disagree with the statement that it is not functioning properly and should be fixed. I agree, it isn't working properly and should be fixed. Only I am not dying to Snipe any more than any other skill, in fact I die much less to snipe than almost any other skill.

I think the rage about snipe is primarily from inexperienced players and secondarily from hyperbolic experienced players who hate the skill. There are several players on here that exhibit a borderline fetish with their animosity toward snipe and players who use it. They do not attempt to be objective or debate reality but rather intentionally mislead and exaggerate to promote a specific cause.

You are wasting your time being the voice of reason bro.
Emotion trumps reason and these emo kids will just ignore your post and wont learn anything.
We are all better off letting this dumb thread die at this point.

Is he really being the voice of reason? Or is he just insulting people that you don't agree with? Because you just praised someone for being toxic and dismissive.

doesn't sound like an insult to me...

IAVITNI · December 2018

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Same room, fix your game zos. https://imgur.com/gallery/5DzTrUE
My wife and me. Shows the delay and health desync. She's not even in stealth. 4 videos total, so scroll down.

It's not a glitch, it's not an emote exploit, it's the skill being bughed for nearly 4 years. Delete the skill, recode it.

this is amazing footage!

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Literally what everyone's talking about https://imgur.com/gallery/ITwxF3x

The defile and poisoned debuff is shown from the first snipe. Also some of the snipes are animated. Which is why with dodge roll on stam I never die from this. I died once maybe 6 months ago, then noticed the defile debuff the next time and dodged and los'd.

It is interesting that you show it outside of stealth. Perhaps cloak only provides a stronger safety net and burst capacity, encouraging players to use.

That said however this doesn't prove anything other than a health desync. Everyone knew it can glitch out, and is still easily mitigated if you pay attention.

You wont find me spamming snipe, but you also wont find me complaining about it. Its strong with many counters, spamming snipe is largely ineffective. You are just hoping you can glitch out someone or burst bad builds. You will get some kills meanwhile your group is losing the BG/Cyrodiil battle while you attempt to kill one guy.

Snipe builds are not dominating cyrodiil or BGs, they are merely annoying pesks to bother your game. I'm not saying they cannot be good group support in the right context, or that they cannot in isolation get good BG scores. I'm saying there is a legitimate reason no "elite" pvper uses snipe.

You're fooling yourself if you think actively looking for the defile debuff is realistic outside of getting ganked. Ive got videos videos with 15 buffs/debuffs active, what you say only applies to when you're already not in combat.

That also has nothing to do with the fact that it's broken and needs to be recoded and fixed. Players should see the attack, hear the attack, and feel the attack properly.

I am not having any issues identifying when I am being Sniped. That doesn't mean I successfully win or even survive when fighting 1vX. But I am completely aware of being sniped and I don't have PC addons to tell me.

That is not to say I disagree with the statement that it is not functioning properly and should be fixed. I agree, it isn't working properly and should be fixed. Only I am not dying to Snipe any more than any other skill, in fact I die much less to snipe than almost any other skill.

I think the rage about snipe is primarily from inexperienced players and secondarily from hyperbolic experienced players who hate the skill. There are several players on here that exhibit a borderline fetish with their animosity toward snipe and players who use it. They do not attempt to be objective or debate reality but rather intentionally mislead and exaggerate to promote a specific cause.

This may be the biggest strawman I’ve seen on these forums. Just wow, generalizing anybody anti-snipe as subjective, illogical people who exaggerate everything. Just wow.

Not anyone but you read into it what you wanted to. I prefaced it with my opinion and I have no monopoly on facts. There may very well be other sources of this outrage but from my perspective this is all I see.

Let me ask you do you use this OP skill? Do you advise others to use it? Does any "elite" build have Snipe as a part of the skill set?

The very same parrots laughing at "Bowtards" and the "pathetic bow builds" are screaming about the OP Snipe. Not because its good enough for them to consider changing their setup, rather because they hate dying due to additional pressure from Snipe which was too much on top of everything else.

So is it broken, well sure from time to time it doesn't register properly. Is it so OP that it is more popular than Spin to Win? Or bleeds? Or any meta build? Hardly.

In a world where the majority of the player base gravitates to the easiest source of AP, I still only see the odd Sniper in BGs. In my experience about every other BG or less there is a single player running a "snipe spam" build. In my experience in Cyrodiil for every Zerg there is between 2-5 "snipe spammers" yet little thought goes towards the other 10-30 players running around without Snipe.

Make no mistake Snipe is only really good Xv1, and ganking inexperienced players. Otherwise its average to below average at best.

Beyond the functionality of the skill, Snipe still has issues.

You state it is extremely good on one end and below average at best in others. It actually over performs in xv1 and ganks and under performs in every other situation. There are very few situations in which it simply performs. Based on that fact alone, snipe should be subject to change.

I've made several "qq" threads regarding snipe. My main point across all of them is to remove the Defile. It doesn't make sense that such a hard hitting skill should apply the most powerful PvP debuff in the game from range. Especially considering that it is often paired with Cloak to ensure a crit and stun.

Decoupling Snipe from Cloak for balance purposes is like decoupling the old Rune Cage from the sorc kit. Rune Cage is a pretty useless skill on it's own, and unlike Snipe, you aren't going to kill anybody by spamming it. But a change was necessary regardless. The same logic applies to Snipe.

Imagine if frags granted a stun and Major Defile on hard cast. Sorc would be deleted the next day.

Now, I have never really asked for a full out nerf to the skill. I have always stated that some form of compensation for the Major Defile should be removed. Each thread was met with hostility. By principle, one thread included Dark Flare having it's Major Defile removed and compensated with anything else and this was met by hostility by a class rep stating, "OP must have died to a templar...probably complains about Jesus Beam spam too".

The problem with the forums is that they equate change to nerf (a conditioning resultant of ZoS' approach to 'balance'). Any objective thread is swept under the rug because it simply lacks the appeal of a click-bait nerf thread.

Another problem is that Snipe is a bigger issue on console. Any PC player will say that "bowtards" lack actual mechanics and are easy to kill. That isn't the case on console. While the majority of snipers on console are infact nothing more than 'bowtards' there are a good number of snipers that are +decent players. These players either do not crutch on snipe, opting for a "ranger" playstyle (i.e. not cloak+snipe spam) or intentionally abuse desynch. The former of which is something that I would actually like to see buffed, and assuming any Snipe change is done correctly (i.e. is more of a lateral movement and not a flat-out nerf) would actually benefit the ranger play-style as many use PI or Barrage (the AoE) as their spammable, both of which are lackelustre as spamables.

PC players aren't subjected to the same experience because MIATs made the skill much less appealing and so the bandwagon is only getting rolling. I predicted PC players would be more vocal about snipe after MIATs nerf and so far it looks like I've been right. There is more support for a snipe nerf now than before (again my position is for a change, not a nerf), though the overwhelming response remains "L2P".

I have no objections to Snipers/gankers in Cyrodil or BGs. I believe they add an element to the game that is more beneficial than negative. But, the cost:reward needs to be toned down, and the skill needs to be more balanced across more scenarios. A skill with such disparity in performance requires balance.

There are 'forumtards' on both sides of this debate. And to answer the question of why the 'elite' don't use snipe. I can guarantee that a good majority of them have tried it. Most don't like it because it is so relatively easy to pull off, though I admit that does not negate the fact that majority of the opinions voiced on the matter are based on emotional bias and not a desire for balance.

kojou · December 2018

I am a garbage bowtard sniping zergling with no skill and I love the skill.

I think the effectiveness at 40 m is a bit exaggerated by your post however. If you are that far away then your target will be out of range before you get the cast completed unless they are AFK.

Also if there is lag it is much harder to get snipe off, so if the fight is large then it is much harder to get one off let alone a chain of them, so I usually Snipe + LA + Poison Injection and usually my target dies from the poison Injection DoT and not the snipe.

What is interesting is the players with good builds who are not potatoes are actually quite hard to solo kill with Snipe. They quickly break free and buff defenses and come after you or run back to their group. So, I have observed that some players have figured out how to play even if the snipe haters in this post haven't.

My favorite targets are crystal frag spamming sorcs and wall perched snipers though. They are always so squishy and easy to kill... Which I find ironic considering this post.

Anyway... L2P, git gud, and all that.

Metemsycosis · December 2018

@IAVITNI
I like that you are clear and reasonable, even though I disagree with you.

Here is why elites don't use snipe: it's slow. Not because it's cheap. Or a zergbad playstyle or whatever. It's slow.

Cast+ flight time. In a good, direct fight very often the combo of these two means you dont do damage but your opponent has time to do whatever. An instant cast spammable would do more damage in the same time span. Meaning snipe isnt good for many face to face, level playing field fights.

But there are times when nothing beats snipe (get caught outside a castle marked? Think you can 1vx? Killing your horse's stamina? Running with little armor and little health? Afk? Enjoy your free trip to the wayshrine).

In those moments snipe should be strong and it is.

IAVITNI · December 2018

Metemsycosis wrote: »

@IAVITNI
I like that you are clear and reasonable, even though I disagree with you.

Here is why elites don't use snipe: it's slow. Not because it's cheap. Or a zergbad playstyle or whatever. It's slow.

Cast+ flight time. In a good, direct fight very often the combo of these two means you dont do damage but your opponent has time to do whatever. An instant cast spammable would do more damage in the same time span. Meaning snipe isnt good for many face to face, level playing field fights.

But there are times when nothing beats snipe (get caught outside a castle marked? Think you can 1vx? Killing your horse's stamina? Running with little armor and little health? Afk? Enjoy your free trip to the wayshrine).

In those moments snipe should be strong and it is.

Sorry, regarding the "elite" statement, I meant the sniper playstyle of snipe into cloak and not the skill itself. Honestly the skill in a non-sniper/ranger build is so bad for the very reasons you pointed out that the idea of using it in a normal build didn't really occur to me. Many "elite" players have tried it. But they get bored of Sniper builds. I actually find it interesting when players fit snipe into a normal build. It is eventually removed, but its still interesting.

And I agree and disagree with the last part. When someone is 1vx'ing, survives the onslaught of 5 players for a good 3 minutes, kites and isolates 1-2 and preps for a kill burst only to get stunned and dropped to execute range as a result by a 3rd sniper AND is unable to recover because of Major Defile, that is just not healthy gameplay. The only other skills that have the same impact in a 1vx are ultimates. One is more likely to survive a meteor dump than a rogue Lethal Arrow. Lethal Arrow has the potential to actually apply more pressure than dawn breaker. The DoT from a DB can only be increased so much before players die before using it, but CP allows Major Defile to become ridiculous strong and defence is carried by Cloak.

Major Defile does not impact those that get caught outside a castle marked, those who run out of stamina on a mount or those with too little mitigation. It does however, completely reverse the flow of a battle in which the 1vx'er had had complete control over the tempo until a single non-ultimate skill was cast.

Reverb Bash stuns and applies Major Defile. Unlike Lethal Arrow it is melee so it has no cast time. However, it does not hit like an Incap. Reverb is balanced.

Dizzy Swing has a cooldown, a tooltip that potentially gets as high as Lethal Arrow and stuns. With the drawback being that it is melee. But it does not apply Major Defile. The reward is that the stun prevents recovery from the high damage. Dizzy Swing, under ideal server performance, is balanced,

A simple "scoring" breakdown, where Y = +1

Reverb: 3
Stun? Y
Defile? Y
Range? N
High Tooltip? N
Instant Cast? Y

Dizzy Swing: 2
Stun? Y
Defile? N
Range? N
High Tooltip? Y
Instant Cast? N

Snipe: 4
Stun? (virtually) Y
Defile? Y
Range? Y
High Tooltip? Y
Instant Cast? N

When you consider that high tooltips on skills that stun are EXTREMELY valuable, Snipe gains more advantages over Reverb. It stuns, has a high tooltip and applies Major Defile at range. And sure, the stun is not innate to Snipe, but Meteor is not innate to Rune Cage. Didn't make that combo any less OP.

Not only are players forced to recover from the stun, but they are unable to do so due to the Major Defile. That is where my issue with snipe is. 3 of the most powerful tools in PvP are stuns, big burst and defile.What other skill is able to do all 3 consistently? They also must then spend resources to move towards the sniper, something that is hard to do after breaking free and spamming defensive skills, that are the most costly in the game.

Remove Major Defile, maybe reduce it to Minor or replace it with something else. But Major Defile on a heavy hitting ranged skill that also stuns (considering 90% of snipers use cloak, yes it does stun) is just a bit too much. The skill needs a change. It can't be the damage because that removes the purpose of Snipe. It can't be the stun because that would involve changing an entire mechanic. It HAS to be the Major Defile.

A nerf to Cloak isn't the way to go either. One, a class shouldn't be nerfed because a weapon skill is poorly balanced (Note* this does not mean over-performing or under-performing, as Snipe is doing both). The initial hit is what hurts the most and determines if you die or not, disregarding desynch. If a 1vx player keeps there defences up and survives a snipe in the middle of an x than they should have reasonable opportunity to recover. Major Defile removes that opportunity.

As for the instagibs, a lot of that has to do with desynch so no proper changes can be done until that's fixed. Though I will say it's unfair that frags had it's stun removed when lethal arrow can have the same effect on combat with the bonus of Major Defile.