Sorc isn't as dead as I thought

Aurielle · November 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Here's your deathmatch.

https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp

Still not good enough? Will anything be, or is everyone just content being ***?
What I'm using has worked as well, if not better, than what I used before. Sorry your experiences haven't been the same, but what I'm not going to apologize for is playing something fun and effective.
Sorc is different, but it's demise has been greatly exaggerated. Maybe on a personal level, sure, but not for all.

Yes, that’s a more accurate representation of the build’s offensive capabilities. All I was saying is that K/D ratios and damage done in land grab modes (where most people are on healers or potato builds) do not necessarily represent how well a build will perform in deathmatch. No need to get aggressive about it.

Sure there is...when you're talking about the changes and adaptations you've made to your favorite class and show proof it works, just to have everyone pick it apart and cry & moan about how it's really trash, all because you can't go balls to the wall damage anymore, it gets annoying.

I get it. Some have to pretend the class is absolutely garbage because the warped agenda is to whine enough so the devs revert the changes or to buff other aspects of the class. Anything showing good performance is shouted down. Instead of coming up with thier own ideas or trying to better ones shown, players here rather put thier heads in the sand or just cry about what used to be. Why? It ruins the narrative to admit you can change some things and still do good to great.

So yeah, there's a lot of reason to be "aggressive" about it. Didn't see that same reaction to those picking apart my build aggressively...somehow that's fine.

Honestly don't know why I participate in these threads...
https://imgur.com/3HBTsf9

LOL. I was just saying. If you want people to take a build seriously, you need to post deathmatch stats/videos. That’s all. Calm down.

You honestly think it would matter?
I've posted videos before to the same results. Someone asked for sorc winning duels. Posted a video. Person said show him a sorc winning a dueling tournament. Posted one. Still said sorc is trash.

It's frustrating. It's annoying. It's an attempt to deny the reality of what the class is now. Instead of trying to work with what we have, players are content to wallow in tears and tear down those trying to make it work, instead of embracing or bettering new attempts because it's not like it was...

Eh....whatever. Happy thanksgiving.
I'm going to bury this conversation under a mountain of turkey and pumpkin pie.

Yeah, I DO think it matters. I, for one, took your build more seriously when you posted your deathmatch stats. K/D ratios and damage done mean very little in potato modes (i.e. land grab). Kudos to you for trying to make heavy armour work in no CP.

Personally, I still use light armour in BGs, because I enjoy the high burst that sorcs are capable of. Instead of full divines, I’m now in five impen, and that has helped with survivability post-shield nerf — though I don’t get anywhere near the same K/D ratios I used to. I only use heavy armour in Cyrodiil in zerg v zerg situations.

oxygen_thief · November 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

https://imgur.com/a/59cOFrl

do you know this nubers mean nothing?
few runs of my stamplar. can i say it dominates in bgs? i barely know which buttons should i press during combat

ezio45 · November 2018

nah, sorcs pretty dead man.

Kel · November 2018

oxygen_thief wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

https://imgur.com/a/59cOFrl

do you know this nubers mean nothing?
few runs of my stamplar. can i say it dominates in bgs? i barely know which buttons should i press during combat

Didn't say it "dominates", just saying it's not dead.
Heaven forbid I say something works, right?
What the hell is wrong with you people...lol

Sevn · November 2018

Trancestor wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

@jabrone77

It’s not about making it work. It’s not rocket science. It’s about whether the play style is fun or not. If it’s for you, good for you.

@Sevn

BGs are a terrible benchmark for assessing a class, especially when you only count Deathmatch. Besides, in low MMR BGs the majority of opponents are outright terrible. But again, if it’s fun, for you, all the better. I just don’t think anyone is going to be successful vs decent opponents using “just one bar” and a hybrid setup.

what is the proper place go make a pvp assessment? Cp cyro? Why? Why would I make an assessment using a crutch like cp? Bg's puts a real strain on your sustain, it limits your overall damage and it's way more evenly matched without cps carrying folks. I'm also not wearing any proc sets to carry me, all kills are from me.

What better place to test a pvp build? Who mentioned anything about only deathmatch? That was just the last match type. My sorc chews up the other modes even harder. 24-3, 19-4, etc all while capturing or defending said objective. The only mode I suck at is chaosball, maybe crazyking.

Why is it that the opposition I face is mediocre, but you guys are fighting "skilled" pvpers? If I beat them they were subpar but if you guys win it's all skill? That's what is irritating about discussing this with some. Of course I can't beat everyone with just one bar, but the total hybrid build is extremely successful.

I'll ask you the same, have you pvped using a hybrid before? If so and didn't find success does that mean no one else has? If not how can you speak on what works when you've never even tried it? What build are you using, please don't say some standard cookie cutter meta crap all while downing something you've never even tried.

Dueling good players and solo play in Cyro and to a lesser extent 2vx/3vx is the true measure of a build and skill, BG's not so much because you're relying a lot on 3 other players on your team plus 4 other players on the 3rd team, thats 7 players that affect the outcome of your fights and scores. Your build won't do much in a duel vs a good player or in solo play in Cyro even if you might be a really great player.

Sigh. I knew it was going to be cyro. Serious question, what is the point of testing something in an environment it was not meant to be used in? I have clearly stated this my BG's toon. I have a completely different character and build for dueling, no cp cyro, and as well as the sewers. Using my BG toon for anything other than what she was designed for is just a waste of time. Might as well use my quester lol.

Now I'm curious how many here are cyro pvpers, vivec to be exact?

pieratsos · November 2018

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

My magsorc is dominating BG's. Switched out necro for bright throat sitting at, depending on what drink, 36k-40k mag, 21k health unbuffed(+5k battle spirit), 14k-16k stam. It's the only class that I have that I don't even have to slot a heal/impen for pvp/pve combat. I'm lost at why others who have mained a magsorc for the longest aren't doing even better than me.

Of course I do run my own builds and follow no meta, nerfs don't affect my builds as such.

They do much better than you. The difference between you and them however is the definition of dominating. What seems like dominating for you, for them is random pug smashing that can be done on any class regardless of build. Thats not the definition of dominating for competitive players. Thats not even worth mentioning for them.

And no offence but ur build doesnt sound being able to dominate. Any semi competitive player on any semi competitive build regardless of class, will chew down ur full divines hybrid no heal setup before u realise what happened.

No worries, no offense taken, but it hasn't happened yet. Guess all the good pvpers are avoiding BG's all day every day all week. Shrugs.

Edit. Also funny you mention they can do it on any build, but many have claimed to only play one class? Post your vid of your dominant performance please. My performance is trash so no need to compare, but I'd like to see a good pvper in action. That is you correct?

It doesnt matter how many classes someone plays. A competitive player will adapt to any class and a fight against a build like urs wont pose much of a threat because simply ur build isnt viable for competitive PVP. Again, i said no offence, i have nothing against you and i didnt say u are trash so no need to go on the defensive. You are free to play and enjoy whatever u want. But it is what it is. Your build has no heals, small shields, no survivability, no sustain and is melee. Hybrid builds are underwhelming in general and ur build is underwhelming even for the low standards of hybrid builds. Im sorry but thats not competitive.

Showing you a clip of a competitive player wont make you understand what competitive means if you simply cant even understand why ur build isnt viable for competitive PVP. A better way to help you understand is to actually post ur whole build and gameplay footage so people can actually explain you why ur build isnt that good and why ur gameplay (most likely) isnt impressive to the eyes of good players.

Again, I'm not offended, I'm curious as to how you have come to your assessment. I play BG's all week, 3 to 4 hours a day alone. In all that time I have yet to get destroyed using my magsorc. Where are all these good players that should wreck my setup?

In higher MMR matches mostly.

Sevn wrote: »

What's even crazier is you are 100% right. My setup isn't even OPTIMIZED for BG's, I'm mainly using one bar and I'm still outperforming the competition. I have yet to have a negative match in BG's. Not once while using my poor setup by these unseen good players I haven't ran into yet.

And if you actually believe that a one bar, hybrid, divines, no heal melee sorc build is dominating PVP then prepare for a rude awakening when you go up against good players with good builds.

Sevn wrote: »

Have you played a hybrid in pvp? Of course not, that isn't what they are promoting on YouTube builds are they?

Dont need to. Speaking of YT however Ive seen an exceptionally good player on very good and very smart and impressive hybrid builds. Unfortunately the only thing ive seen is the builds holding the player back. He is the only reason i call them underwhelming and not outright bad. But if you think they are competitive then by all means show us ur footage. You are the one trying to change the common belief about hybrids being competitive. Not me.

Sevn wrote: »

Bet you only play cp pvp as well talking competitive while using cp's as a crutch lol. What server you play on? Hopefully we can meet up and you can show me how it's done.

For someone who says "im not offended" you seem to be prety aggressive towards me trying to attack me or belittle me or whatever this is. Ill just ignore it cause i dont feel the need to get into this kind of conversation. I dont play on PS4 to "show you how its done".

But again, feel free to post ur whole build and actual gameplay footage of dominating and outperforming everyone so we can engage in a more meaningful conversation.

P.S. Honest questions. Watch the BG score that jabrone posted in this thread and tell me if you are impressed by it. Also if you have the time watch the PC EU duelling tournament that took place a few days ago. Its in the PVP section and someone posted in the thread a link for the tourn. Watch the sorc and tell me what exactly do you make out of those fights.

You responded to me and me alone because you were looking for confrontation. Why deny it? As I do enjoy confrontation I'm giving you what you seek. To be clear I am not promoting hybrids and we have established that my build is trash and I'm beating mediocre players.

In higher mmr you say? You don't even know my pvp rank on this character, how could you possibly know what bracket I fall in? Correction, I said dominating BG's. I have no idea how it would hold up in cyro, but since I have zero interest in cyro anymore, it doesn't matter now does it?

Never played one huh? So you are one of those people that speaks on something they know very little about? Welp, no need to discuss why someone who has zero firsthand knowledge is down talking something they don't understand.

I see no need to post a vid of my trashy play, however I would like to compete directly with your dominant magsorc build. I'm expecting you to win, but man the salt that would develop if you were to lose to such a trashy build? Epic. Too bad you're on PC. You a miat user too?

I responded to you cause you were the one who said that you are dominating and wiping the floor with everyone using a mediocre build to say the least, not because i have a secret agenda against you. I didnt seek a cofrontation and im not salty. Lol. I just responded to ur comment without talking about you as a player and explicitly said that i didnt mean to offend you personally. But then you had to be aggressive and made some dumb attempts to belittle me and everyone who dared to disagree with you because the reality is, the only one who is salty and seeking a confrontation is you. And since you are so hell bent on turning a normal conversation into a confrontation then let me blunt.

From everything you said throughout this thread i dont actually believe that you are even a semi decent player. You seem to lack basic knowledge about PVP, you dont understand what competitive means and you fail to actually understand even a simple BG scoresheet. You also dont know that ur PVP rank has nothing to do with MMR and since you even mentioned PVP rank, i wouldnt be surprised if you actually believe that PVP rank indicates player skill which is a common mistake for people who dont really know much about PVP. You dont even have the attitude of a good player. A good competitive player wouldnt say "i die to multiple people as i should". Good competitive players intentionally put themselves in outnumbered situations because they believe they can outplay their opponents and actually win.

Im one of those that speaks on something they know very little about? Nah, quite the opposite. I speak on subjects i know a lot about because i have extensive experience in the game and i dont need to try every single build in the game to give feedback on something that is common knowledge. To make it a little more simple for you, i dont need to try a hybrid melee, full divines, no sustain, no survivability sorc build that doesnt even bar swaps to know that it wont work in the competitive scene. Thats common knowledge for people who understand PVP.

Waffennacht · November 2018

I tried the most common sorc build last night. Sure it wasn't my idea, but, it did absolutely horribly.

2-4 18 assists.

Shields still drop very quickly with full impen and 31k resistance.

Meh, I'll try a different build I suppose, but I hated how clunky sorc felt

Thrasher91604 · November 2018

You can turtle up and survive for a while with 3 or more beating on you. But good luck taking any of them out, especially surprise attack spammers.

Emma_Overload · November 2018

I can't help but notice that most of these posters who think Sorcs are "just fine if you adapt blah blah blah" also mention their performance in Battlegrounds...

Hey, that's great that you can rack up kills with Fury while your enemies are distracted by the bleedblade who is pounding their faces, but what about the rest of us? Do you ever step foot in Cyrodiil or Imperial City? Without your zerg or pocket healer?

Malamar1229 · November 2018

CrimsonGTX wrote: »

Yeah Sorcs aren't dead, that talk was a overreaction. The shield changes and major expedition nerfs across the board was poorly thought-out and excessive tho.

The dead talk occurred when there was a 1 second cast timer on shields. No relevant sorcs were saying the class was dead who took time to play it on PTS after they reverted the cast timer. Let's clear that up.

Malamar1229 · November 2018

It's not really a question of the class being dead due to gutting/nerfing...its just not fun anymore. It's high maintenance, kinda lost in defining itself as a class...and you can do everything a sorc can on another class and better.
Magplar, Magdk, stamblade are all much more fun than being on my sorc....which I've mained since launch.

Kel · November 2018

Emma_Overload wrote: »

I can't help but notice that most of these posters who think Sorcs are "just fine if you adapt blah blah blah" also mention their performance in Battlegrounds...

Hey, that's great that you can rack up kills with Fury while your enemies are distracted by the bleedblade who is pounding their faces, but what about the rest of us? Do you ever step foot in Cyrodiil or Imperial City? Without your zerg or pocket healer?

How else are you supposed to show how effective your build is? Can't show a kill/death ratio on console in Cyrodiil. Also was accused of hiding build behind defensive CP earlier in the thread. That criticism is blown up in battlegrounds since it's no cp.
Don't know what to tell you. My sorc is just fine. Perhaps the problem is you're not as good at sorc as you thought you were.
Not sorry for playing sorc well this patch. I know the agenda is to complain about it being trash to appeal for buffs, but I'm trying to work with what is in game...and it's working.

L2P sorc

Sevn · November 2018

@pieratsos

Serious question, do you have trouble reading? "I don't believe you are a semi-decent player". Qoute me stating so. In fact I stated the opposite. That is what trashy means isn't it? What do you hope to accomplish by repeating what I have already, quite clearly stated?

This is pointless. You are salty. Every thread we interact in its it's the same salt. Your only agenda here is to discredit any positive feedback dealing with magsorc in a hope they revert the changes. I hope they never do if it means dealing with less narrow minded people in this game.

I'm not here promoting hybrids. I'm posting my experience using one. You're using my lack of knowledge of how the mmr works to discredit my bg experience, yet have zero idea how well a hybrid works? Because someone else told you they don't work and you are just regurgitating crap that you have been fed. How does my lack of knowledge of how the matchmaking works affect my builds ability to perform well in BG's? Are you really gonna strawman it now? Now the subject is about how mmr works or more precisely how I lack the knowledge of how it works?

I've only spoken on rank/mmr when addressing how I believed how they pair players up, when did I mention anything about spreadsheets, there you go just randomly throwing in things that were never touched on. You're not a competitor. You most likely seek out opportunities to pad your ego. You ever see good players fighting each other? Rarely do I. Why? Because it's a stalemate usually.

But not you, your ego tells you that you are beating multiple players of the exact same skill level with great gear. You ever watch two good players duel? It's a stalemate until someone makes a mistake. But nope, you seem like the type of 1vxer's that believes they are fighting all top notch opponents and winning lol.

Easy to belittle someone speaking on something they know very little about, and to be clear I was only belittling you.

In the end, I do not care if you believe my experience to be true. My presence in this thread is to agree with op that sorcs aren't nearly as bad as you want others to believe. Last question, If my character was melee only, they wouldn't be a hybrid now would it ?

ZettaVC · November 2018

I tried the Alcast magsorc pvp BG build because I'm a sheep and I have no original ideas 😉:

5x Armour Master
5x Shackle
2x Bloodspawn

Purely because they are both craftable, so easy re-spec. Honestly, the most fun I have ever had in BG!

Arkangeloski · November 2018

This guy is getting flamed for saying that certain class is not dead or at least works for him lol, this is crazy...

GreenhaloX · November 2018

It's not dead, but well, it sure isn't as good as prior Murkmire patch.. and what the hell is "Grace." Magician was taken away with One Tamriel, and now Grace is emplaced in light armor passive. Good grief..

Thogard · November 2018

someone ping me when it’s safe for me to say “I told you so” about sorcs this patch.

It’s definitely not as brainless as it used to be, but the mobility is top notch.

If you aren’t using streak to take advantage of the fact that everyone just lost their major expedition uptime, then you aren’t doing murkmire sorc correctly.

Feanor · November 2018

@Thogard

Sorc was brainless in the Rune Cage era. The saving grace for Sorc is that there are still a lot of players who are not counting to 3 and don’t see the burst coming at all. Are you winning fights on your Sorc vs players of equal skill? I highly doubt that.

Besides, BGs are a play style of their own. Sorc always has been strong there because of the limitations the fights have. Open world is a totally different story though.

People are running freaking tank sets now. It’s hilarious when you think about it.

Knootewoot · November 2018

Does this mean we can stil make #NerfSorc treads?

This is the most happy day of my life

Thrasher91604 · November 2018

The problem is to make sorcs survivable you have to lose a lot of that burst damage. Against a player with a modicum of spell and crit resists and shields or decent health or good dodging skill you can only scratch them.

mairwen85 · November 2018

Not to Stoke the flames, but I got 15 kills, 7 assists with my pve build in dm this morning. Just swapped out my skills to single target only, swapped apprentice for lady, all divines, all light bar heavy chest and med legs, skoria, julianos, bsw. Died twice. Not sure if that means sorcs are amaze-balls or that death match is a bad gauge, or other players were bad, or my team was awesome... I just know that for a sorc, keeping the high ground away from melee and battering players strategically works, Pre and post murkmire, regardless of dedicated build (in death match at least).

Cyrodil is a different animal altogether...

pieratsos · November 2018

@Sevn
I wrote an essay addressing each of the points you made but then i read again everything you said and just deleted everything cause it seems pointless. Seriously half of ur comments are off topic and spinning things i said. I dont even know what you even try to say at this point. First talking about a secret agenda because of a past confrontation between us even tho you are the one who turned this one into a confrontation by trying to belittle me for no reason, then telling me that you didnt say anything about BG scores even tho u literally talked about ur scores in the second comment. Then saying something about mmr/pvp rank which i dont even know what you try to say. Then calling me salty or egotistical while you attack everyone that dared to disagree with you. Then asking me a completely irrelevant question about whether i see good players fighting each other. Meh, just forget it. Ill just make you one question.

If you believe that you are not even a semi decent player then how on gods green earth do you actually believe that you are dominating good players. Like seriously, its common sense. You just literally threw ur entire argument out of the window with this comment. lol.

Waffennacht · November 2018

You really can't use one BG (or even a handful) to analyze the performance of any build/class etc

Too many variables in a single match: player skill and group composition vary wildly.

I am comparing Sorc against my other characters; not against my opponents'

It's about the toolkit:. If I go for high resistance, decent health, impen and max mag - I have very low spell damage or low crit or low Regen. This isn't the case for any other class (because they have abilities to support Shields; they aren't essentially forced to rely on the Shields alone - nor have to sacrifice several slots to achieve a similar passive healing)

The abilities are very straight forward; if you sacrifice slots - meaning the potential to be countered is very high.

A few observations: rune cage is absolutely trash now, even if it connects, the travel time is so long and clunky. Streak, curse, and wrath are all good abilities, but there's all my slots.

I would like to say, the reason most players are successful with sorc ( @Thogard etc) is because they are good players. I can't help but think they would be successful - or even more so, using a different class. I mean, I'd love for sorc to have a HoT

Irylia · November 2018

Shantu wrote: »

No, it comes down to being forced out of a play style through nerfs that nobody who actually plays the game wanted. Yeah, we'll just have to adjust, but it comes with a lot of resentment of being forced to change for no viable reason.

Something about dressing up a MagSorc in Impend gear strips away the magic that is supposed to come with this class. Magic should be a Sorcerer's defense...not gear.

Been full impen sorc since dbh

Sorc isn’t as attractive as it used to be.
Flame reach is now your stun when it used to Be the iconic frag. RC is delayed and worse than before they buff:nerfed it for a year.

Wrathmane · November 2018

I've mained a sorc since launch.....I usually play vivec Na PC..... I also find myself tougher than what I was before the patch...... I feel that the Nerf somehow made my toon better and harder to kill.... I've always run Impen armor when I'm solo I run 5 pc heavy 2 light, Grothdarrs, Spinners, julianos.... a hybrid build as well.... S&B/Resto staff.... I mean the sorcs problem is the timing to generate sufficient burst to get your target into Mage's Wrath range and that hasn't changed.... I find the change came in my tankyness .... my ability to survive and get the hell out of the way of the zerg has gotten much better...... the other day I racked up 50/0 in about 1.5 hours of playing I was mostly up against the pug zerg and I spent a lot of the time streaking through the zerg encasing then picking off the stragglers I cc'ed... its really only when up against an organized group who focuses me down is when I have trouble solo.

Group play is another story, when I have a dedicated healer at my back I tend to go 5pc light, 1 med, 1 heavy, Balroth/spinners/VD Resto/Destro ...... I tend to go heavy damage dealing with this setup, minimal healing with dependence on my shields...... this setup was more negatively effected by the patch... I became much more squishy, but the trade off is more damage.

Moral of my story... every class goes through nerfs and buffs... I just keep on playin my game!

Beardimus · November 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

I tried the most common sorc build last night. Sure it wasn't my idea, but, it did absolutely horribly.

2-4 18 assists.

Shields still drop very quickly with full impen and 31k resistance.

Meh, I'll try a different build I suppose, but I hated how clunky sorc felt

Agreed mate. I haven't nailed a noCP setup yet really

Sevn · November 2018

pieratsos wrote: »

@Sevn
I wrote an essay addressing each of the points you made but then i read again everything you said and just deleted everything cause it seems pointless. Seriously half of ur comments are off topic and spinning things i said. I dont even know what you even try to say at this point. First talking about a secret agenda because of a past confrontation between us even tho you are the one who turned this one into a confrontation by trying to belittle me for no reason, then telling me that you didnt say anything about BG scores even tho u literally talked about ur scores in the second comment. Then saying something about mmr/pvp rank which i dont even know what you try to say. Then calling me salty or egotistical while you attack everyone that dared to disagree with you. Then asking me a completely irrelevant question about whether i see good players fighting each other. Meh, just forget it. Ill just make you one question.

If you believe that you are not even a semi decent player then how on gods green earth do you actually believe that you are dominating good players. Like seriously, its common sense. You just literally threw ur entire argument out of the window with this comment. lol.

Again, I said dominating BG's, not good players, as it has been said good players fight only in cp cyro, right?

My off point was, you have no idea of my opponents skill level, nor do I. Having 3 times as many kills as deaths in a DM is considered dominating in my book. If I'm facing off against scrubs and winning handily, would that not classify as dominating BG's? You are the one that brought up the quality of my opponents in an effort to discredit my experience.

My main point was, if a player of my skill level, with my build can dominate the majority of the players they face in BG's, one on one at that, then magsorc isn't dead, just a certain playstyle, but apparently magsorc can only be played one way?

Just because I think my skill level is low doesn't mean it actually is. Showing humility is an underappreciated ability. Hope that clears it up for you.

Edit-
You know, I just did a little research on how the mmr pits folks and the only real conclusions were premades are placed in a higher que and maybe, MAYBE the number of medals gained are used for ranking. High ranked solo qued players are often thrown in on losing teams against premades. That's my experience, unless fighting the same group of players doesn't equal a premade. I play a tons, I get tons of medals, wouldn't that place me in a higher que?

So, in an effort to extend an olive branch to all I'll amend my statement, my magsorc, while not winning every match, is dominating most of the opposition I'm facing in BG's, especially one on one. Wait, isn't that my original post? Weird.

Edit-2

Now after more research I'm going to ask you to explain the mmr to me. From the info I gathered there is no set conclusion. So in an effort for clarity I'm interested in what info you have and where you found it. If you are going to use my lack of knowledge on something to discredit my experience I definitely expect you to have the official info on it.

Waffennacht · November 2018

Just to try and help; and I have 0 conclusive evidence, but I've read: amount of matches, amount of points, and leaderboard status all affect MMR.

I'm inclined to believe the first one is true, as I have had large differences in the second two and haven't noticed a difference in que times (leaderboard vs non leaderboard didn't seem to change anything as an example)

Betty_Booms · November 2018

The only defining factor for the sorc now is its execute.

The issue with the shield is that it still scales off max mag. So the ability to increase health to take advantage of a bigger shield is still gimped and this is inherent in no cp..

Yes i have taken tanky builds into bgs with 10k shields. I can survive a bit longer but kill nothing... even with fury spam.

The issue is that sorc is outperformed on all fronts. Damage, defense, heals.
And the same issue applys with needing a pet for a reliable heal.

I loath sacrificing two skills just for a heal...
Screw the pet just give me its ability on 1 bar.....

Yes. When you spec for survival you will survive better. Congratulations. Its the fact we sacrifice further damage for this.

Sevn · November 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

Just to try and help; and I have 0 conclusive evidence, but I've read: amount of matches, amount of points, and leaderboard status all affect MMR.

I'm inclined to believe the first one is true, as I have had large differences in the second two and haven't noticed a difference in que times (leaderboard vs non leaderboard didn't seem to change anything as an example)

I certainly appreciate your input! Yep, as I stated I too could not find any conclusive evidence as to how the mmr works, but if someone is going to use my lack of knowledge of how it works to discredit my entire experience in BG's I expect them to have the full answer, though he wasn't the only one to use such a tactic against my post. The other one is more than welcome to explain it in detail as well.