Sorc isn't as dead as I thought

gamerguy757 · November 2018

So after re speccing my Sorc from Overload Build to pure burst, and changing Divines to Impen, my sorc does seem to survive better, but the shield nerf i do feel is still a bit excessive.
I don't use Rune Cage anymore, instead I replaced it with Encase...pretty funny watching someone bash nonstop trying to break free XD.

Tandor · November 2018

Such changes are rarely as bad as people make them out to be before they've had time to work them out.

Kel · November 2018

I've been running necro/Green pact (body..all impen) with Grothdarr on my sorc, and putting the matriarch on my bar for the heal.

30k health, 42k magicka, burst isn't what it used to be, but still really good, and....a 12k shield.

I fully agree, it isn't nearly as bad as players made it out to be. It comes down to not wanting to change.

ChunkyCat · November 2018

Funny picture would have been funny.

Shantu · November 2018

No, it comes down to being forced out of a play style through nerfs that nobody who actually plays the game wanted. Yeah, we'll just have to adjust, but it comes with a lot of resentment of being forced to change for no viable reason.

Something about dressing up a MagSorc in Impend gear strips away the magic that is supposed to come with this class. Magic should be a Sorcerer's defense...not gear.

Sevn · November 2018

My magsorc is dominating BG's. Switched out necro for bright throat sitting at, depending on what drink, 36k-40k mag, 21k health unbuffed(+5k battle spirit), 14k-16k stam. It's the only class that I have that I don't even have to slot a heal/impen for pvp/pve combat. I'm lost at why others who have mained a magsorc for the longest aren't doing even better than me.

Of course I do run my own builds and follow no meta, nerfs don't affect my builds as such.

gamerguy757 · November 2018

Sevn wrote: »

My magsorc is dominating BG's. Switched out necro for bright throat sitting at, depending on what drink, 36k-40k mag, 21k health unbuffed(+5k battle spirit), 14k-16k stam. It's the only class that I have that I don't even have to slot a heal/impen for pvp/pve combat. I'm lost at why others who have mained a magsorc for the longest aren't doing even better than me.

Of course I do run my own builds and follow no meta, nerfs don't affect my builds as such.

What other set do you run? Shackle?

Swomp23 · November 2018

gamerguy757 wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

My magsorc is dominating BG's. Switched out necro for bright throat sitting at, depending on what drink, 36k-40k mag, 21k health unbuffed(+5k battle spirit), 14k-16k stam. It's the only class that I have that I don't even have to slot a heal/impen for pvp/pve combat. I'm lost at why others who have mained a magsorc for the longest aren't doing even better than me.

Of course I do run my own builds and follow no meta, nerfs don't affect my builds as such.

What other set do you run? Shackle?

And what monster set? I'm currently trying to make my pve magsorc pvp-worthy (which he wasn't far before the nerfs, all in divine), and I struggle a lot with survivability. I crafted shackle in impen, but still run necro and Ilambris. I really want to switch out Ilambris...

Waffennacht · November 2018

I have yet to see any posts similar referring to no CP.

Your damage is reduced by a ton in no CP (5k less mag - more like 6 after modifiers, 20-30% less damage, far less crit resistance and damage mitigation from CP)

You sacrifice a lot in no CP giving up 1 or 2 sets for defensive stats.

I am not a fan of the changes in no CP. All of my other classes perform better in BGs, I made a sorc set up and decided to put it on my warden and it performed better, especially 1vX.

If sorc had a decent burst heal or HoT, then I'd change my tune

Feanor · November 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

I've been running necro/Green pact (body..all impen) with Grothdarr on my sorc, and putting the matriarch on my bar for the heal.

30k health, 42k magicka, burst isn't what it used to be, but still really good, and....a 12k shield.

I fully agree, it isn't nearly as bad as players made it out to be. It comes down to not wanting to change.

You’re running a dedicated tank set and a melee damage set. Of course you’re going to be harder to kill while obviously also benefiting from all the defensive CP. It’s a play style most people don’t enjoy who picked a Sorc - I guess most want to play a ranged caster.

Feanor · November 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

I have yet to see any posts similar referring to no CP.

Your damage is reduced by a ton in no CP (5k less mag - more like 6 after modifiers, 20-30% less damage, far less crit resistance and damage mitigation from CP)

You sacrifice a lot in no CP giving up 1 or 2 sets for defensive stats.

I am not a fan of the changes in no CP. All of my other classes perform better in BGs, I made a sorc set up and decided to put it on my warden and it performed better, especially 1vX.

If sorc had a decent burst heal or HoT, then I'd change my tune

Exactly.

Sevn · November 2018

gamerguy757 wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

My magsorc is dominating BG's. Switched out necro for bright throat sitting at, depending on what drink, 36k-40k mag, 21k health unbuffed(+5k battle spirit), 14k-16k stam. It's the only class that I have that I don't even have to slot a heal/impen for pvp/pve combat. I'm lost at why others who have mained a magsorc for the longest aren't doing even better than me.

Of course I do run my own builds and follow no meta, nerfs don't affect my builds as such.

What other set do you run? Shackle?

You got it! I use different monster sets depending on what I'm doing, pvp/pve. Kena or dominus and some 1 piece that improves resistance. Ilambris 2pc for pve. I mainly only use her for BG's now btw. No impen, 5 light, 2 hvy. No cp drops my mag to around 33k regen to 1385 or something like that and I just switch drinks for more health. I run a hybrid btw. 2h, light staff. Sometimes I'll run dubs, sometimes I'll run witches, but for BG's I run double bloody mary.

Not in front of the game but I'll post her exact stats later. Either I'm better than I thought, and I think I'm average at best or those nerfs only buffed my build. I prefer up close combat and those shields are incredible for doing so. Not a fan of ranged combat which is why I avoided the sorc for so long. If this is magsorc at its weakest I see why the forums always brought them under fire.

I can't get this type of performance on any other class, last match last night my NB went 3-2, mostly ganking which I really don't enjoy doing but war is war. My sorc? 12-4, 17 assists. 2 of those deaths came from falling into lava. Did I mention I'm doing this well using mainly one bar?

I only switch to 2hd when some dk flaps his wings and thinks they are safe lol. No buddy, I'm not a strictly ranged sorc. She's beastly. I'm on ps4NA. If I can figure out how to record and post I will post a random match. I think video speaks volumes so you all don't think I'm blowing hot air about her.

grannas211 · November 2018

Using encase. “Just now using impen instead of divines.”

No offense you’re either a troll or you run in huge ball groups only.

brandonv516 · November 2018

Same players who were successful in BGs with Sorcerer are still successful.

Still shield stacking and still burst - all the complaints seem so trivial.

Do see more running the Matriarch now though.

pieratsos · November 2018

Sevn wrote: »

My magsorc is dominating BG's. Switched out necro for bright throat sitting at, depending on what drink, 36k-40k mag, 21k health unbuffed(+5k battle spirit), 14k-16k stam. It's the only class that I have that I don't even have to slot a heal/impen for pvp/pve combat. I'm lost at why others who have mained a magsorc for the longest aren't doing even better than me.

Of course I do run my own builds and follow no meta, nerfs don't affect my builds as such.

They do much better than you. The difference between you and them however is the definition of dominating. What seems like dominating for you, for them is random pug smashing that can be done on any class regardless of build. Thats not the definition of dominating for competitive players. Thats not even worth mentioning for them.

And no offence but ur build doesnt sound being able to dominate. Any semi competitive player on any semi competitive build regardless of class, will chew down ur full divines hybrid no heal setup before u realise what happened.

Sevn · November 2018

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

My magsorc is dominating BG's. Switched out necro for bright throat sitting at, depending on what drink, 36k-40k mag, 21k health unbuffed(+5k battle spirit), 14k-16k stam. It's the only class that I have that I don't even have to slot a heal/impen for pvp/pve combat. I'm lost at why others who have mained a magsorc for the longest aren't doing even better than me.

Of course I do run my own builds and follow no meta, nerfs don't affect my builds as such.

They do much better than you. The difference between you and them however is the definition of dominating. What seems like dominating for you, for them is random pug smashing that can be done on any class regardless of build. Thats not the definition of dominating for competitive players. Thats not even worth mentioning for them.

And no offence but ur build doesnt sound being able to dominate. Any semi competitive player on any semi competitive build regardless of class, will chew down ur full divines hybrid no heal setup before u realise what happened.

No worries, no offense taken, but it hasn't happened yet. Guess all the good pvpers are avoiding BG's all day every day all week. Shrugs.

Edit. Also funny you mention they can do it on any build, but many have claimed to only play one class? Post your vid of your dominant performance please. My performance is trash so no need to compare, but I'd like to see a good pvper in action. That is you correct?

Sevalaricgirl · November 2018

My mag sorc is vampire healer for my dungeon group and she does very well.

Kel · November 2018

Feanor wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

I've been running necro/Green pact (body..all impen) with Grothdarr on my sorc, and putting the matriarch on my bar for the heal.

30k health, 42k magicka, burst isn't what it used to be, but still really good, and....a 12k shield.

I fully agree, it isn't nearly as bad as players made it out to be. It comes down to not wanting to change.

You’re running a dedicated tank set and a melee damage set. Of course you’re going to be harder to kill while obviously also benefiting from all the defensive CP. It’s a play style most people don’t enjoy who picked a Sorc - I guess most want to play a ranged caster.

You can label it whatever you like, I label it as effective....yes, as a caster.

https://imgur.com/a/59cOFrl

No cp battlegrounds, btw...
Yes, that's a 27-0 score and almost a million damage done.

I fully realize sorc isn't what it once was. Still. Doesn't change the fact my set up gets me kills and wins. Sneer at it and dismiss all you like, I'll just be over here killing it...sorry you can't make sorc work for you.

Tan9oSuccka · November 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

I've been running necro/Green pact (body..all impen) with Grothdarr on my sorc, and putting the matriarch on my bar for the heal.

30k health, 42k magicka, burst isn't what it used to be, but still really good, and....a 12k shield.

I fully agree, it isn't nearly as bad as players made it out to be. It comes down to not wanting to change.

You’re running a dedicated tank set and a melee damage set. Of course you’re going to be harder to kill while obviously also benefiting from all the defensive CP. It’s a play style most people don’t enjoy who picked a Sorc - I guess most want to play a ranged caster.

You can label it whatever you like, I label it as effective....

https://imgur.com/a/59cOFrl

No cp battlegrounds, btw...
Yes, that's a 27-0 score and almost a million damage done.

I fully realize sorc isn't what it once was. Still. Doesn't change the fact my set up gets me kills and wins. Sneer at it and dismiss all you like, I'll just be over here killing it...sorry you can't make sorc work for you.

I thought all the forum people unsubbed and quit because Sorcerers were suddenly “unplayable”.

Kel · November 2018

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

I've been running necro/Green pact (body..all impen) with Grothdarr on my sorc, and putting the matriarch on my bar for the heal.

30k health, 42k magicka, burst isn't what it used to be, but still really good, and....a 12k shield.

I fully agree, it isn't nearly as bad as players made it out to be. It comes down to not wanting to change.

You’re running a dedicated tank set and a melee damage set. Of course you’re going to be harder to kill while obviously also benefiting from all the defensive CP. It’s a play style most people don’t enjoy who picked a Sorc - I guess most want to play a ranged caster.

You can label it whatever you like, I label it as effective....

https://imgur.com/a/59cOFrl

No cp battlegrounds, btw...
Yes, that's a 27-0 score and almost a million damage done.

I fully realize sorc isn't what it once was. Still. Doesn't change the fact my set up gets me kills and wins. Sneer at it and dismiss all you like, I'll just be over here killing it...sorry you can't make sorc work for you.

I thought all the forum people unsubbed and quit because Sorcerers were suddenly “unplayable”.

Like I said, just the ones who refuse to look at other methods of playing.
A few in this post, by the tone of some of the replies.

siddique · November 2018

I used to play a DK Tank a couple of years ago. Came back, was building a Sorc and the Nerf happened. I can see how it has affected my character but i can live with that.

I love doing battlegrounds and my MagSorc kicks some serious arse most of the time. I can secure 15-20 kills on a good day in a deathmatch. And I haven't even gotten proper gear yet. 301 CP with only two legendary armor pieces.

Sevn · November 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

I've been running necro/Green pact (body..all impen) with Grothdarr on my sorc, and putting the matriarch on my bar for the heal.

30k health, 42k magicka, burst isn't what it used to be, but still really good, and....a 12k shield.

I fully agree, it isn't nearly as bad as players made it out to be. It comes down to not wanting to change.

You’re running a dedicated tank set and a melee damage set. Of course you’re going to be harder to kill while obviously also benefiting from all the defensive CP. It’s a play style most people don’t enjoy who picked a Sorc - I guess most want to play a ranged caster.

You can label it whatever you like, I label it as effective....yes, as a caster.

https://imgur.com/a/59cOFrl

No cp battlegrounds, btw...
Yes, that's a 27-0 score and almost a million damage done.

I fully realize sorc isn't what it once was. Still. Doesn't change the fact my set up gets me kills and wins. Sneer at it and dismiss all you like, I'll just be over here killing it...sorry you can't make sorc work for you.

It's mindblowing isn't it? You post your experiences and they come in to trash you. Because they aren't doing well? They haven't adapted? As if there is only one way to play a magsorc. Sorry if your traditional meta build can't cut it anymore. Man I hope I run into some of these good players in BG's.

Mureel · November 2018

Shantu wrote: »

No, it comes down to being forced out of a play style through nerfs that nobody who actually plays the game wanted. Yeah, we'll just have to adjust, but it comes with a lot of resentment of being forced to change for no viable reason.

Something about dressing up a MagSorc in Impend gear strips away the magic that is supposed to come with this class. Magic should be a Sorcerer's defense...not gear.

This and also: for those of us who never shield stacked or ran with a resto; thanks the f a lot.

I wish the nerf only worked on stacked shields (where people had the issue with it!). I hate it this way; on all my chars.

pieratsos · November 2018

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

My magsorc is dominating BG's. Switched out necro for bright throat sitting at, depending on what drink, 36k-40k mag, 21k health unbuffed(+5k battle spirit), 14k-16k stam. It's the only class that I have that I don't even have to slot a heal/impen for pvp/pve combat. I'm lost at why others who have mained a magsorc for the longest aren't doing even better than me.

Of course I do run my own builds and follow no meta, nerfs don't affect my builds as such.

They do much better than you. The difference between you and them however is the definition of dominating. What seems like dominating for you, for them is random pug smashing that can be done on any class regardless of build. Thats not the definition of dominating for competitive players. Thats not even worth mentioning for them.

And no offence but ur build doesnt sound being able to dominate. Any semi competitive player on any semi competitive build regardless of class, will chew down ur full divines hybrid no heal setup before u realise what happened.

No worries, no offense taken, but it hasn't happened yet. Guess all the good pvpers are avoiding BG's all day every day all week. Shrugs.

Edit. Also funny you mention they can do it on any build, but many have claimed to only play one class? Post your vid of your dominant performance please. My performance is trash so no need to compare, but I'd like to see a good pvper in action. That is you correct?

It doesnt matter how many classes someone plays. A competitive player will adapt to any class and a fight against a build like urs wont pose much of a threat because simply ur build isnt viable for competitive PVP. Again, i said no offence, i have nothing against you and i didnt say u are trash so no need to go on the defensive. You are free to play and enjoy whatever u want. But it is what it is. Your build has no heals, small shields, no survivability, no sustain and is melee. Hybrid builds are underwhelming in general and ur build is underwhelming even for the low standards of hybrid builds. Im sorry but thats not competitive.

Showing you a clip of a competitive player wont make you understand what competitive means if you simply cant even understand why ur build isnt viable for competitive PVP. A better way to help you understand is to actually post ur whole build and gameplay footage so people can actually explain you why ur build isnt that good and why ur gameplay (most likely) isnt impressive to the eyes of good players.

Mureel · November 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

I've been running necro/Green pact (body..all impen) with Grothdarr on my sorc, and putting the matriarch on my bar for the heal.

30k health, 42k magicka, burst isn't what it used to be, but still really good, and....a 12k shield.

I fully agree, it isn't nearly as bad as players made it out to be. It comes down to not wanting to change.

You’re running a dedicated tank set and a melee damage set. Of course you’re going to be harder to kill while obviously also benefiting from all the defensive CP. It’s a play style most people don’t enjoy who picked a Sorc - I guess most want to play a ranged caster.

You can label it whatever you like, I label it as effective....yes, as a caster.

https://imgur.com/a/59cOFrl

No cp battlegrounds, btw...
Yes, that's a 27-0 score and almost a million damage done.

I fully realize sorc isn't what it once was. Still. Doesn't change the fact my set up gets me kills and wins. Sneer at it and dismiss all you like, I'll just be over here killing it...sorry you can't make sorc work for you.

Show me your superstar xD (Because I wanna know your skills/build!) pretty please? xD

Mureel · November 2018

jabrone77 wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

jabrone77 wrote: »

I've been running necro/Green pact (body..all impen) with Grothdarr on my sorc, and putting the matriarch on my bar for the heal.

30k health, 42k magicka, burst isn't what it used to be, but still really good, and....a 12k shield.

I fully agree, it isn't nearly as bad as players made it out to be. It comes down to not wanting to change.

You’re running a dedicated tank set and a melee damage set. Of course you’re going to be harder to kill while obviously also benefiting from all the defensive CP. It’s a play style most people don’t enjoy who picked a Sorc - I guess most want to play a ranged caster.

You can label it whatever you like, I label it as effective....

https://imgur.com/a/59cOFrl

No cp battlegrounds, btw...
Yes, that's a 27-0 score and almost a million damage done.

I fully realize sorc isn't what it once was. Still. Doesn't change the fact my set up gets me kills and wins. Sneer at it and dismiss all you like, I'll just be over here killing it...sorry you can't make sorc work for you.

I thought all the forum people unsubbed and quit because Sorcerers were suddenly “unplayable”.

Like I said, just the ones who refuse to look at other methods of playing.
A few in this post, by the tone of some of the replies.

I never played like most sorcs did; but still, wwhen you only use one shield; the nerf hurt. Also on my healer, also on my PVE magblade. The nerf was excessive if you didn't stack shields.

Sevn · November 2018

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

My magsorc is dominating BG's. Switched out necro for bright throat sitting at, depending on what drink, 36k-40k mag, 21k health unbuffed(+5k battle spirit), 14k-16k stam. It's the only class that I have that I don't even have to slot a heal/impen for pvp/pve combat. I'm lost at why others who have mained a magsorc for the longest aren't doing even better than me.

Of course I do run my own builds and follow no meta, nerfs don't affect my builds as such.

They do much better than you. The difference between you and them however is the definition of dominating. What seems like dominating for you, for them is random pug smashing that can be done on any class regardless of build. Thats not the definition of dominating for competitive players. Thats not even worth mentioning for them.

And no offence but ur build doesnt sound being able to dominate. Any semi competitive player on any semi competitive build regardless of class, will chew down ur full divines hybrid no heal setup before u realise what happened.

No worries, no offense taken, but it hasn't happened yet. Guess all the good pvpers are avoiding BG's all day every day all week. Shrugs.

Edit. Also funny you mention they can do it on any build, but many have claimed to only play one class? Post your vid of your dominant performance please. My performance is trash so no need to compare, but I'd like to see a good pvper in action. That is you correct?

It doesnt matter how many classes someone plays. A competitive player will adapt to any class and a fight against a build like urs wont pose much of a threat because simply ur build isnt viable for competitive PVP. Again, i said no offence, i have nothing against you and i didnt say u are trash so no need to go on the defensive. You are free to play and enjoy whatever u want. But it is what it is. Your build has no heals, small shields, no survivability, no sustain and is melee. Hybrid builds are underwhelming in general and ur build is underwhelming even for the low standards of hybrid builds. Im sorry but thats not competitive.

Showing you a clip of a competitive player wont make you understand what competitive means if you simply cant even understand why ur build isnt viable for competitive PVP. A better way to help you understand is to actually post ur whole build and gameplay footage so people can actually explain you why ur build isnt that good and why ur gameplay (most likely) isnt impressive to the eyes of good players.

Again, I'm not offended, I'm curious as to how you have come to your assessment. I play BG's all week, 3 to 4 hours a day alone. In all that time I have yet to get destroyed using my magsorc. Where are all these good players that should wreck my setup?

What's even crazier is you are 100% right. My setup isn't even OPTIMIZED for BG's, I'm mainly using one bar and I'm still outperforming the competition. I have yet to have a negative match in BG's. Not once while using my poor setup by these unseen good players I haven't ran into yet.

I'm losing to multiple attackers as I should. But whatever, I'll continue to rack up kills with my poor setup and keep an eye out for those good players lol. Have you played a hybrid in pvp? Of course not, that isn't what they are promoting on YouTube builds are they?

Bet you only play cp pvp as well talking competitive while using cp's as a crutch lol. What server you play on? Hopefully we can meet up and you can show me how it's done.

Feanor · November 2018

@jabrone77

It’s not about making it work. It’s not rocket science. It’s about whether the play style is fun or not. If it’s for you, good for you.

@Sevn

BGs are a terrible benchmark for assessing a class, especially when you only count Deathmatch. Besides, in low MMR BGs the majority of opponents are outright terrible. But again, if it’s fun, for you, all the better. I just don’t think anyone is going to be successful vs decent opponents using “just one bar” and a hybrid setup.

Sevn · November 2018

Feanor wrote: »

@jabrone77

It’s not about making it work. It’s not rocket science. It’s about whether the play style is fun or not. If it’s for you, good for you.

@Sevn

BGs are a terrible benchmark for assessing a class, especially when you only count Deathmatch. Besides, in low MMR BGs the majority of opponents are outright terrible. But again, if it’s fun, for you, all the better. I just don’t think anyone is going to be successful vs decent opponents using “just one bar” and a hybrid setup.

what is the proper place go make a pvp assessment? Cp cyro? Why? Why would I make an assessment using a crutch like cp? Bg's puts a real strain on your sustain, it limits your overall damage and it's way more evenly matched without cps carrying folks. I'm also not wearing any proc sets to carry me, all kills are from me.

What better place to test a pvp build? Who mentioned anything about only deathmatch? That was just the last match type. My sorc chews up the other modes even harder. 24-3, 19-4, etc all while capturing or defending said objective. The only mode I suck at is chaosball, maybe crazyking.

Why is it that the opposition I face is mediocre, but you guys are fighting "skilled" pvpers? If I beat them they were subpar but if you guys win it's all skill? That's what is irritating about discussing this with some. Of course I can't beat everyone with just one bar, but the total hybrid build is extremely successful.

I'll ask you the same, have you pvped using a hybrid before? If so and didn't find success does that mean no one else has? If not how can you speak on what works when you've never even tried it? What build are you using, please don't say some standard cookie cutter meta crap all while downing something you've never even tried.

pieratsos · November 2018

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Sevn wrote: »

My magsorc is dominating BG's. Switched out necro for bright throat sitting at, depending on what drink, 36k-40k mag, 21k health unbuffed(+5k battle spirit), 14k-16k stam. It's the only class that I have that I don't even have to slot a heal/impen for pvp/pve combat. I'm lost at why others who have mained a magsorc for the longest aren't doing even better than me.

Of course I do run my own builds and follow no meta, nerfs don't affect my builds as such.

They do much better than you. The difference between you and them however is the definition of dominating. What seems like dominating for you, for them is random pug smashing that can be done on any class regardless of build. Thats not the definition of dominating for competitive players. Thats not even worth mentioning for them.

And no offence but ur build doesnt sound being able to dominate. Any semi competitive player on any semi competitive build regardless of class, will chew down ur full divines hybrid no heal setup before u realise what happened.

No worries, no offense taken, but it hasn't happened yet. Guess all the good pvpers are avoiding BG's all day every day all week. Shrugs.

Edit. Also funny you mention they can do it on any build, but many have claimed to only play one class? Post your vid of your dominant performance please. My performance is trash so no need to compare, but I'd like to see a good pvper in action. That is you correct?

It doesnt matter how many classes someone plays. A competitive player will adapt to any class and a fight against a build like urs wont pose much of a threat because simply ur build isnt viable for competitive PVP. Again, i said no offence, i have nothing against you and i didnt say u are trash so no need to go on the defensive. You are free to play and enjoy whatever u want. But it is what it is. Your build has no heals, small shields, no survivability, no sustain and is melee. Hybrid builds are underwhelming in general and ur build is underwhelming even for the low standards of hybrid builds. Im sorry but thats not competitive.

Showing you a clip of a competitive player wont make you understand what competitive means if you simply cant even understand why ur build isnt viable for competitive PVP. A better way to help you understand is to actually post ur whole build and gameplay footage so people can actually explain you why ur build isnt that good and why ur gameplay (most likely) isnt impressive to the eyes of good players.

Again, I'm not offended, I'm curious as to how you have come to your assessment. I play BG's all week, 3 to 4 hours a day alone. In all that time I have yet to get destroyed using my magsorc. Where are all these good players that should wreck my setup?

In higher MMR matches mostly.

Sevn wrote: »

What's even crazier is you are 100% right. My setup isn't even OPTIMIZED for BG's, I'm mainly using one bar and I'm still outperforming the competition. I have yet to have a negative match in BG's. Not once while using my poor setup by these unseen good players I haven't ran into yet.

And if you actually believe that a one bar, hybrid, divines, no heal melee sorc build is dominating PVP then prepare for a rude awakening when you go up against good players with good builds.

Sevn wrote: »

Have you played a hybrid in pvp? Of course not, that isn't what they are promoting on YouTube builds are they?

Dont need to. Speaking of YT however Ive seen an exceptionally good player on very good and very smart and impressive hybrid builds. Unfortunately the only thing ive seen is the builds holding the player back. He is the only reason i call them underwhelming and not outright bad. But if you think they are competitive then by all means show us ur footage. You are the one trying to change the common belief about hybrids being competitive. Not me.

Sevn wrote: »

Bet you only play cp pvp as well talking competitive while using cp's as a crutch lol. What server you play on? Hopefully we can meet up and you can show me how it's done.

For someone who says "im not offended" you seem to be prety aggressive towards me trying to attack me or belittle me or whatever this is. Ill just ignore it cause i dont feel the need to get into this kind of conversation. I dont play on PS4 to "show you how its done".

But again, feel free to post ur whole build and actual gameplay footage of dominating and outperforming everyone so we can engage in a more meaningful conversation.

P.S. Honest questions. Watch the BG score that jabrone posted in this thread and tell me if you are impressed by it. Also if you have the time watch the PC EU duelling tournament that took place a few days ago. Its in the PVP section and someone posted in the thread a link for the tourn. Watch the sorc and tell me what exactly do you make out of those fights.

Feanor · November 2018

@Sevn

Let’s just leave it at the following: I don’t buy that your no impen no heal one bar hybrid Sorc is going up against decent opposition when you feel like you are “dominating”. It’s great you have fun, and let’s just agree to disagree.

And no, I don’t play CP PvP at all.