So in 2017 I had seen the Halloween crates previewed and I had been incredibly excited. While I do not have much money and such things are difficult for me, I had saved up enough crown gems to almost buy an Apex Mount and I was eager to get a Halloween one.

Then when it was released, I found out for the first time in your Crown Crate history you had introduced RNG-only drops in this Real Money Gatchapon system (which is by the way illegal in several countries and is gambling that baits and exploits people who are mentally ill and is by proxy ableist and classist at once.)

I was so disgusted and devastated that you would make such a money-hungry, ableist, classist, exclusionist move that alienated me, a loyal customer who has played since early beta, because I lived in poor conditions and did not have much money, that I unsubscribed from your monthly and quit your game entirely. Because I do not support a real money gatchapon system when I should be able to gradually and diligently work towards anything I want, not just throw buckets of real life money I don't have at you for a tiny chance while being buried in worthless junk that I can't even trade in (Mounts cannot be liquidated, etc. In prior crates I've gotten apex mount drops I hated and didn't want which is B S , and I would gladly give them away to anyone who wants them but OOPS can't have people helping each other can we?)

I've married since then, and moved. Only recently I have I felt my disgust with your toxic practices subside enough to be able to play again without feeling actively conscious of how bad you burnt me. My wife even bought me one of your grossly overpriced houses that you put up for an equally shady practice of a low time frame. I wondered if you had learned from last year. And here we are. I knew better than to get my hopes up, because you did the same crap again. I see you put last years in for gems but all I can think about when I look at it is the gross thing you did and are doing.

So I guess I'm going to continue avoiding, because as someone with a neurological disorder that these business tactics love to exploit, I'm self aware enough to not enable you to take once-loyal players like me for granted.

It's not entitlement. It's toxicity , gambling, and practices literally illegal in several countries due to the toxic and abusive impact it has on society. In any GAME you should be able to put continued effort, no matter how much or little, towards something for an eventual guaranteed goal. I used to PRAISE them because of the Crown Gem system until they pulled this stunt last year. Yet Unlike basically every other MMO I play, they don't even let you farm the shop money in-game.

They don't deserve to demand an unlivable amount of a paycheck for a "maybe". They don't even want to listen to the players, or entire systems of government for that matter. So why do they deserve my money much less my respect?

Oh and even funnier is how many hoops I had to jump through to even be able to post this criticism. Because I joined in early beta I never got my forum key so when I wanted to complain last year I couldn't and I was so heartbroken I was too depressed to fight for my forum key. This year I was just made mad enough that I got it out of spite.

I expect this will be deleted later and I'll be 'warned' like every other thin-skinned online company does these-days when their paying customers say something they don't want to hear.

Radiance wrote: »

Bring back the Black Cat with the Red Ribbon!!!

The Black Cat was a limited edition Valentine's day, Crown Store special 2 years ago and not a Witches Festival special.

Finally... the treasure hunter outfit. It will finally be mine.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Anyway, before you panic, we'll probably get another ESO+ event before these crates go away.

The January '18 ESO+ trial included the Flame Atronach crates, so if they follow the same schedule the promotion will cover the next season of crates and not Hollowjack.

CrucifiedGenesis wrote: »

Real Money Gatchapon system

You can only use a virtual currency to obtain Crown Crates. Please refer to the TOS about virtual currency, including the fact that it has no real monetary value.

When do we need to log in and kill the stuff?I can't seem to access the page that tells me when.

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

If actually tested in any court case, that will hold as much water as an upside down bucket since they sell that "virtual currency" directly for money.

They rent the service lease to exchange the virtual currency for in-game items for money.

I know the most common counter-example is that you're allowed to sublease an apartment you're renting, but that's not accurate. You're only legally allowed to sublease an apartment if the lease explicitly permits you to. A lease that doesn't mention subleasing is not permission to sublease.

Everything in the store is a rental, and ZOS is explicit that we don't own the crowns and we don't own the items redeemed with crowns. Buying crowns is giving consent that you understand and accept these lease terms.


But it'll never be tested in court because we all agree to section 15 of the TOS, so it's all a bit irrelevant.

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

The correct answer to the post you quoted, if you wanted to avoid that discussion, was the ignore the post completely, just like the developers do and anybody with any public relations experience will do when they say "no comment" to a direct easy to answer question.

I don't represent ZOS so if I want to shut down a post filled with misleading emotional bait with a few actual facts, I can.

Daedric skull looks amazing and I want it- but no way is it worth 100 gems

Of course I missed another one, Crappy 2 day heads up and it was not on my launcher Thursday, last time I logged in.

Only seems fit I missed this, first three days I haven't played in 3+months. Ah well no need to log in until Murkmire as there are no more crates in the daily rewards this month. I think its about time for a break.

Edit: didn't get an email heads up either. Only reason I checked here today is to see if the Psijic Villa had been released yet.

SilverWF wrote: »

And how and when I'll get this 3 free Hollowjack crates?

"You'll be rewarded with a new crate for every day you participate (up to a max of three), and you'll receive your earned crates by Wednesday, September 19. That’s the day before they’re available in the store. You will be able to find your free crate in your Crown Crates menu."

Since the last 3-4 occasions I've cleared a fishing hole or three haven't turned up a single Pyandonean bottle, and given I don't think I ever got a motif out of any bottle anyway, I'm tempted to cash in my Resplendent Sweetroll to get the remaining missing motif pages before they're gone...

Does the Daemon Cockerel do anything special? I'm assuming it has some twist a la the devil goat, at 100 gems and that name...

The only thing i had remote interest in was the Hallowjack Netch pet...but to make it gems only?? Why do you keep finding ways for us NOT to throw money at you, if this were crowns i'd be all over it, but i refuse to ever buy into gambling crates. So much for my favorite season to buy items.