Better Fishing Boat

golfgirl89 · November 2018

Given the painstaking grind of getting the Anglar achievement as well as the introduction of new boats into the game, who else thinks the Anglar achievement sailboat should be larger with additional features such as an added cabin and/or a ships wheel at the helm?

Acrolas · November 2018

On the development side, we have a strict policy to never change art assets once they have been in the live game, except – and this is important – if they are obviously “wrong”. Think bad animations, shoulder pads clipping through armor, weapons hanging too far off a character model’s hip – that kind of thing. This “no change” policy has been in effect since the Redguard Female Armor Debacle of 2015. This was where we updated the visuals of one type of Redguard Female armor and pushed it live without thinking of the consequences of players who liked the way it looked and had been using it for over a year. This caused a lot of – very much merited – criticism from players that liked the older style much better. That’s when we started our “no change” policy. Even if we think an asset needs to updated because it doesn’t fit ESO’s established art style or the artist responsible thinks they could have done better, we no longer change live assets because players are used to the way the game and their characters look, and that is more important than what WE think.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5430473#Comment_5430473

BleedMe_AnOcean · November 2018

Acrolas wrote: »

On the development side, we have a strict policy to never change art assets once they have been in the live game, except – and this is important – if they are obviously “wrong”. Think bad animations, shoulder pads clipping through armor, weapons hanging too far off a character model’s hip – that kind of thing. This “no change” policy has been in effect since the Redguard Female Armor Debacle of 2015. This was where we updated the visuals of one type of Redguard Female armor and pushed it live without thinking of the consequences of players who liked the way it looked and had been using it for over a year. This caused a lot of – very much merited – criticism from players that liked the older style much better. That’s when we started our “no change” policy. Even if we think an asset needs to updated because it doesn’t fit ESO’s established art style or the artist responsible thinks they could have done better, we no longer change live assets because players are used to the way the game and their characters look, and that is more important than what WE think.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5430473#Comment_5430473

And there's a simple workaround.

A different boat.

golfgirl89 · November 2018

Have several boats options at different prices for the fishing achievement . That way people can still have the current option if that’s what they like. As it stands the new boats which everyone can buy look better than the achievement boat so many people who are working on or planning to do the fishing achievement have very little incentive to complete .

ixie · November 2018

As @Acrolas pointed out they have a policy to never change art assets, a solution could be to have separate boats/fishing related housing items for the DC, AD, EP, and Cyrodiil achievemnts and have the current fishing vessel be the reward for one of those, and then add a better boat for the Master Angler achievement.

Gargath · November 2018

The achievement's boat is ugly af and that's main reason, after enormous amount of time wasted, to not touch the fishing too often.

There are enough furnitures to make a boat of your own design instead

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nadrokal · November 2018

Either a new boat, or now that there are music boxes in game, how about a music box with a fishing theme, like this:

https://goo.gl/images/91gVjZ

SteveCampsOut · November 2018

golfgirl89 wrote: »

Have several boats options at different prices for the fishing achievement . That way people can still have the current option if that’s what they like. As it stands the new boats which everyone can buy look better than the achievement boat so many people who are working on or planning to do the fishing achievement have very little incentive to complete .

What new boats? Where? When? How? And Sometimes Why?

Abigail · November 2018

Acrolas wrote: »

[W]e no longer change live assets because players are used to the way the game and their characters look, and that is more important than what WE think.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5430473#Comment_5430473

It's too damned bad the developers don't have the same regard for players across the board. The policy inconsistency is staggering.

golfgirl89 · November 2018

Gargath wrote: »

The achievement's boat is ugly af and that's main reason, after enormous amount of time wasted, to not touch the fishing too often.

There are enough furnitures to make a boat of your own design instead .

Yes I know but I always reach the slot max so if I can get a nice boat that only cost me one slot that would be great!

golfgirl89 · November 2018

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

golfgirl89 wrote: »

Have several boats options at different prices for the fishing achievement . That way people can still have the current option if that’s what they like. As it stands the new boats which everyone can buy look better than the achievement boat so many people who are working on or planning to do the fishing achievement have very little incentive to complete .

What new boats? Where? When? How? And Sometimes Why?

The three Murkmire boats .

Carbonised · November 2018

Simple solution: add more base game boats to the achievement vendor.

And add DLC boats for having done DLC angler achievements.

The master angler boat is a shoddy embarrasment for one of the achievements in the game that requires the most investment.

SteveCampsOut · November 2018

golfgirl89 wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

golfgirl89 wrote: »

Have several boats options at different prices for the fishing achievement . That way people can still have the current option if that’s what they like. As it stands the new boats which everyone can buy look better than the achievement boat so many people who are working on or planning to do the fishing achievement have very little incentive to complete .

What new boats? Where? When? How? And Sometimes Why?

The three Murkmire boats .

You only answered the first question. What about the rest? "Where? When? How? And Sometimes Why?"

Acrolas · November 2018

Combat balance is a science, not an art.

There's a segment of the community that wants to make achievements more visible - bigger, flashers furnishings, posted numbers. But achievements are their game, not mine. If most people just aren't impressed at digital status symbols, that's not a developer issue.

Achievement furnishings are just an optional thing you have access to after doing something. The only thing wrong with the Master Angler boat is that it's classed as a Parlor Vase instead of a Vessel or a Vehicle.

golfgirl89 · November 2018

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

golfgirl89 wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

golfgirl89 wrote: »

Have several boats options at different prices for the fishing achievement . That way people can still have the current option if that’s what they like. As it stands the new boats which everyone can buy look better than the achievement boat so many people who are working on or planning to do the fishing achievement have very little incentive to complete .

What new boats? Where? When? How? And Sometimes Why?

The three Murkmire boats .

You only answered the first question. What about the rest? "Where? When? How? And Sometimes Why?"

Crown store.

trowlk · November 2018

trowlk wrote: »

BOATS AND VESSELS

Many people, including me, go fishing with one purpose in particular: Obtain the Fishing Vessel.
It takes a lot of time and effort to obtain such furniture. I think we could encourage these players and a lot more to go fishing with the following FISHING VESSELS as achievement rewards for completing the vanilla zones:

MASTER FISHER New Achievement Furniture Reward
Fishing Vessel, Incomplete. (The current Fishing Vessel will be the reward of Malabal Tor)

PACT FISHERMAN

Nord Ship By completing Bleakrock Angler (Shouldn't include snow :P)

Dark Elf Shadboat, Sail By completing Stonefalls Angler

Dark Elf Houseboat, Sail By completing Deshaan Angler

Dark Elf Sailboat By Completing Shadowfen Angler

Nord Ship, Sail By completing Eastmarch Angler

Nord Ship, Covered By completing Rift Angler

COVENANT FISHERMAN

Breton Shadboat By completing Stros M'Kai Angler

Breton Shadboat, Sail By completing Glenumbra Angler

Breton Sailboat By completing Stormhaven Angler

Redguard Canoe, Sail By completing Rivenspire Angler

Redguard Sailboat By completing Alik'r Angler

Redguard Houseboat, Covered By completing Bangkorai Angler

DOMINION FISHERMAN

Khajiit Skiff By completing Roost Angler

High Elf Sailboat By completing Auridon Angler

High Elf Sailboat, Winged By completing Grahtwood Angler

High Elf Sailboat, Cabin By completing Greenshade Angler

Khajiit Shadboat, Sail By completing Malabal Tor Angler (This is the new version of the current Fishing Vessel)

Khajiit Sailboat, Cabin By completing Reaper's March Angler

Cyrodiil Angler

Imperial Canoe By completing Cyrodiil Angler

Coldharbour Angler

Common Skiff By completing Coldharbour Angler

You can find more amazing unreleased furniture in My Furniture Wishlist thread.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/373118/my-furniture-wishlist

Carbonised · November 2018

Acrolas wrote: »

Combat balance is a science, not an art.
If most people just aren't impressed at digital status symbols, that's not a developer issue..

This has nothing to do with status symbols, as usual you're just going off on a tangent that has nothing to do with the topic at all.

There are dozens of boats in the game in various sizes, and all we get for one of the game's hardest achievements is a tiny rowboat. Try putting that small thing in any house with ocean access or a dock, it looks absolutely comical.

All people are asking for are some larger and more elaborate boats for the houses with docks, instead of a tiny thing that barely has any use as a seagoing vessel. This has nothing to do with "status symbols" or whatever nonsense you're going on about.

trowlk · November 2018

Carbonised wrote: »

Simple solution: add more base game boats to the achievement vendor.

And add DLC boats for having done DLC angler achievements.

The master angler boat is a shoddy embarrasment for one of the achievements in the game that requires the most investment.

Why are you always right and just? You always have excelent arguments to defend the right topics

Acrolas · November 2018

Carbonised wrote: »

Try putting that small thing in any house with ocean access or a dock, it looks absolutely comical.

I have. It's quite reasonable as a static, single-person vessel.

Not every achievement furnishing is going to delight everyone. My Mountain of Loot is still sitting half-buried in the ocean somewhere.

I could see maybe asking for a decorative fishing hole to be added to the achievement. But as the achievement requires exactly zero offshore fishing to complete, the obsession over the boat is, indeed, a matter of status symbol psychology.

If it doesn't turn heads, it's not good enough.

Unit117 · November 2018

I would really like to see fishing play a bigger role. Like houses. Let us get diffrent boats and upgrade them how we like. Then like dungeons. Let us go on difrent fishing adventures as a group. It can be premade routes the boat takes and we decide to when to move to the next fishing location. Also allow different types of fishing. Using crab cages, cast nets, trolling, deep sea, rivers, swamps. If they overhauled fishing into something big and important. People would lose thier minds in a good way and sustain a playerbase off that alone. Giving them a fishing skill line would be really interesting with great fish and crustacean recipe rewards

max_only · November 2018

How about a ship in the shallows off a major city purchasable with AP?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/434804/alliance-housing-aka-navy-ship-home-ap-pricing