Leave My Argonian Werewolf Alone

Wuuffyy · November 2018

I’m absolutely sick of all these nerfs. TH is wrong with you guys! You don’t have a vision beyond that of finances. I use the trash looking in game race as a way to sustain magic and keep healing strong as a required part of a permanent wolf werewolf build. I sacrifice ALL damage and high max stat from different races for this okay bistat recov. That’s my trade off.

Are you giving me a better alternative? Do you even care about niche gameplay or is the play the way... just another marketing lie? Are you giving me a race change token?

I change my build every other patch and purposely avoid as much meta as possible but when you force me to change it l, I draw the line. Going to be honest... If your “minor” changes to races this upcoming patch are as major as I think they will be, then I’m done. Sure you don’t care at all but I’m done with all of it.

Nerftheforums · November 2018

And this ^, kids, is the reason why you should not do drugs

Pevey · November 2018

I have heard rumors of upcoming racial changes. Where is this info coming from?

IlCanis_LupuslI · November 2018

If you have any question bro just ask I've found a way for a highly reliable magica sustain... And I'm a khajiit

nsmurfer · November 2018

you absolutely deserve to be nerfed if you are OP, regardless of whether you like it or not. anybody who played the game since the initial racial overhaul can attest to how OP argonians are, especially in PvP and PvE tanking. You have virtually more stamina sustain than Bosmer, and that says a lot, given Bosmer are the stam sustain race with added mag and health sustain

you give up nothing for it, dont lie. There is a reason 50% of the PvP playerbase is argonian. What you do even mean by give up all damage? You give up 10% stamina(3k stamina) to get 10% health(3k health) and insane healing. Your extra super sustain is essentially free... Dont even bother sugarcoating it.

Niche? You running a meta stamina playstyle with a meta PvP race and call it niche?

ChunkyCat · November 2018

I want to DBoS all over your Werewolf

Kikke · November 2018

What we know: 1# People think argonians sustain is OP. 2# We know update 21 comes with racial rework

So I guess this guy just did 1+1 and is outrage of what he figured out.

Twohothardware · November 2018

Argonian has been majorly unbalanced for over a year now and every PTS cycle we've been asking for Race balancing and haven't gotten it. There's a reason everyone including top pvp'ers started playing as the ugliest race in the game when before that it was among the least played.

Argonian has a huge advantage over every other race for tanking in PvE because of the sustain and in PvP where sustain and healing have become the two weakest areas in a build Argonian has become by far the easiest race to play competitively on. That advantage was compounded with the addition of the Infused jewelry trait and potion cooldown glyphs earlier this year in Summerset.

It's not just the amount of sustain but how exactly the sustain is given. Argonians sustain passive allows you to get all the resources back at the exact moment u need it such as when your completely out of Stamina or low Health and about to die allowing you to reset the fight.

Argonian might of been balanced in the old meta we used to have a couple years ago when sustain was near infinite on any Race and you could run double damage sets, but not in this new meta where sustain and healing dominates more than the little extra damage you get from other Races.

Banana · November 2018

You potion suckas are going down

Defilted · November 2018

It is from the update 21 combat changes discussion that will happen sometime next year. Keep in mind they commented on a direction , but have never up to this point said what is going to be done or not done.

Hit the recent button, It is at the top of the list.

megachin502 · November 2018

I'm fine with them nerfing argonian, as long as they still work as Magicka or stamina because all of my characters are argonians and this allows me a lot of flexibility and time save. And if they made them into one specific spec, adios eso.

Wuuffyy · November 2018

megachin502 wrote: »

I'm fine with them nerfing argonian, as long as they still work as Magicka or stamina because all of my characters are argonians and this allows me a lot of flexibility and time save. And if they made them into one specific spec, adios eso.

Yea... This is more or less what I meant. I don't want them to alter the passive mechanics but I'm okay with them watering it down a bit (dark deal nerf, pvp shields, cloak nerf, incap nerf, etc.

Wuuffyy · November 2018

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

If you have any question bro just ask I've found a way for a highly reliable magica sustain... And I'm a khajiit

Pm me... I might be willing to try other things but there is a chance I've already heard about it too.... idk yet.

IlCanis_LupuslI · December 2018

a) full armor enchanted in prismatic jewelry in triune
b) dual wield, nirnhoned(weapon damage)/infused(steal magica enchant)
c) Use tripots and only use them when magica is empty NOT when stamina is empty(use the off balance cc and HA to fill up stamina)
d) use white ww pets are controllable (Ha the target you want to focus pets will attack that target only) and take a lot of heat of you plus I'm sure they proc the magica steal enchant
D) Mighty Chudan(8k resistances 2k ich more max health what's not to like) TK is nice but if you take way less damage you won't have to drain your magica as much trying to counter heal
Oly changes I made sofar was enchanting everything with prismatic & taking the off balance cc vs the fracture one for more burst and sustain
Hope you like it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOx_aSRc16w&t=217s

Maryal · December 2018

I don't play an Argonian and never will - that being said I am perfectly fine with the Argonian potion passive. IMO, if you play an Argonian, you deserve that passive.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · December 2018

I have played only Argonians since day one. It’s not OP you want to balance simply change it back to 15% tri-stat return and boom balance.
It was balanced before the Morrowind patch. When the sustain nerf hit and they changed it to a set number. 15% was balanced and 5000 everything on top of a tri-potion can be seen as unfair.

I’m 100% against nerfing Argonians in to Oblivion when changing one half or one passive would do the trick.

megachin502 · December 2018

The potion passive isin't that strong lol. 4k every 40 seconds? Compare that to a race that has regen, theyre constantly getting it. I think what zos means about rebalancing races is that they wanna make it so for example redguard isisnt the best race for stam but there are other options aswell.

Katheriah · December 2018

Argonians are ugly.

UppGRAYxDD · December 2018

Any nerf to the Argonian swim speed is where I draw the line...

Twohothardware · December 2018

megachin502 wrote: »

The potion passive isin't that strong lol. 4k every 40 seconds? Compare that to a race that has regen, theyre constantly getting it. I think what zos means about rebalancing races is that they wanna make it so for example redguard isisnt the best race for stam but there are other options aswell.

It's 4k returned for all three resources instead of one and u get it all instantly when u need it. Fights only typically last a few seconds in Cyrodiil so whoever has the advantage in 5 seconds means a lot more than who has the spread out advantage over 40 seconds. The other advantage is that you get all the Stamina even while blocking which is huge for tanks in PvE and in PvP as well. Your Stam regen is 0 while blocking or sprinting on other Races. You can also get away with running more damage or defensive sets instead of recovery since the Resourceful passive isn't dependent on your regen stats.

Wuuffyy · December 2018

Take the potion passive down to 2.5k or 3k each at max (pref 3), get rid of the magic passive and add a point to health passive, take the healing done and received to 3 and 3 or 4 and 4 and then...

BUFF the *** bad sus and outdated passive races like nord, imperial, katgeeeeeet, etc.

Wuuffyy · December 2018

@ZOS_GinaBruno ^^^^^^^^^^

megachin502 · December 2018

Twohothardware wrote: »

megachin502 wrote: »

The potion passive isin't that strong lol. 4k every 40 seconds? Compare that to a race that has regen, theyre constantly getting it. I think what zos means about rebalancing races is that they wanna make it so for example redguard isisnt the best race for stam but there are other options aswell.

It's 4k returned for all three resources instead of one and u get it all instantly when u need it. Fights only typically last a few seconds in Cyrodiil so whoever has the advantage in 5 seconds means a lot more than who has the spread out advantage over 40 seconds. The other advantage is that you get all the Stamina even while blocking which is huge for tanks in PvE and in PvP as well. Your Stam regen is 0 while blocking or sprinting on other Races. You can also get away with running more damage or defensive sets instead of recovery since the Resourceful passive isn't dependent on your regen stats.

This is, no one is blocking all the time. Eventually you're gonna go for a few heavy attacks and that's where races like redguards outperform.

tactx · December 2018

You must be new to MMOs. Every update is a sweeping castrating tube-tying (equality) nerf. Sustain is already hard enough to maintain, but since some have less issues (because they chose the race with the passives that fit their class... shocking I know.) than most, all will now suffer accordingly.

Mayrael · December 2018

Pitiful whiners, you really think they will nerf Argonians leaving Altmer, Bretons or Redguards untouched? Facepalm... With a chair. The mighty nerf hammer is OTW and no one will be safe thanks to you.

Wuuffyy · December 2018

tactx wrote: »

You must be new to MMOs. Every update is a sweeping castrating tube-tying (equality) nerf. Sustain is already hard enough to maintain, but since some have less issues (because they chose the race with the passives that fit their class... shocking I know.) than most, all will now suffer accordingly.

Not new and ESO is a different kind of MMO

IlCanis_LupuslI · December 2018

Maryal wrote: »

I don't play an Argonian and never will - that being said I am perfectly fine with the Argonian potion passive. IMO, if you play an Argonian, you deserve that passive.

You sacrifice so much damage.... I literally haven't seen a lizard in pvp who hit hard.... Not even on a stamblade....
And if you like running trials aswell you'll sacrefice 6-7k easily as a werewolf with proper equipment

Joosef_Kivikilpi · December 2018

nsmurfer wrote: »

you absolutely deserve to be nerfed if you are OP, regardless of whether you like it or not. anybody who played the game since the initial racial overhaul can attest to how OP argonians are, especially in PvP and PvE tanking. You have virtually more stamina sustain than Bosmer, and that says a lot, given Bosmer are the stam sustain race with added mag and health sustain

you give up nothing for it, dont lie. There is a reason 50% of the PvP playerbase is argonian. What you do even mean by give up all damage? You give up 10% stamina(3k stamina) to get 10% health(3k health) and insane healing. Your extra super sustain is essentially free... Dont even bother sugarcoating it.

Niche? You running a meta stamina playstyle with a meta PvP race and call it niche?

Literally Tri-Pot with 3 Gold Alchemy Cooldown Enchants on Gold Jewelry equates to almost 12k of every resource... every 21 seconds.

That math = ~1150 Magicka, Stamina, and Health Recovery if a Tri-potion is used immediately every cooldown. I don't care if "10% max stamina" isn't obtained by being Argonian. No other racial gives that type of crazy sustain.

Oh... wait. Let me Restoration Heavy Attack real fast, then potion... ahhh, yeah, that's about 16k health now.

Wuuffyy · December 2018

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

nsmurfer wrote: »

you absolutely deserve to be nerfed if you are OP, regardless of whether you like it or not. anybody who played the game since the initial racial overhaul can attest to how OP argonians are, especially in PvP and PvE tanking. You have virtually more stamina sustain than Bosmer, and that says a lot, given Bosmer are the stam sustain race with added mag and health sustain

you give up nothing for it, dont lie. There is a reason 50% of the PvP playerbase is argonian. What you do even mean by give up all damage? You give up 10% stamina(3k stamina) to get 10% health(3k health) and insane healing. Your extra super sustain is essentially free... Dont even bother sugarcoating it.

Niche? You running a meta stamina playstyle with a meta PvP race and call it niche?

Literally Tri-Pot with 3 Gold Alchemy Cooldown Enchants on Gold Jewelry equates to almost 12k of every resource... every 21 seconds.

That math = ~1150 Magicka, Stamina, and Health Recovery if a Tri-potion is used immediately every cooldown. I don't care if "10% max stamina" isn't obtained by being Argonian. No other racial gives that type of crazy sustain.

Oh... wait. Let me Restoration Heavy Attack real fast, then potion... ahhh, yeah, that's about 16k health now.

Well If you don’t count the loss of 900 wep/spell and 10% max, sure.

Joosef_Kivikilpi · December 2018

nsmurfer wrote: »

you absolutely deserve to be nerfed if you are OP, regardless of whether you like it or not. anybody who played the game since the initial racial overhaul can attest to how OP argonians are, especially in PvP and PvE tanking. You have virtually more stamina sustain than Bosmer, and that says a lot, given Bosmer are the stam sustain race with added mag and health sustain

you give up nothing for it, dont lie. There is a reason 50% of the PvP playerbase is argonian. What you do even mean by give up all damage? You give up 10% stamina(3k stamina) to get 10% health(3k health) and insane healing. Your extra super sustain is essentially free... Dont even bother sugarcoating it.

Niche? You running a meta stamina playstyle with a meta PvP race and call it niche?

Literally Tri-Pot with 3 Gold Alchemy Cooldown Enchants on Gold Jewelry equates to almost 12k of every resource... every 21 seconds.

That math = ~1150 Magicka, Stamina, and Health Recovery if a Tri-potion is used immediately every cooldown. I don't care if "10% max stamina" isn't obtained by being Argonian. No other racial gives that type of crazy sustain.

Oh... wait. Let me Restoration Heavy Attack real fast, then potion... ahhh, yeah, that's about 16k health now.

megachin502 · December 2018

Argonians only have survivability. They don't have damage like the other races. That's the reason why you play argonian and as long its still a tank race, I'm happy.