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Skyshards account bound
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Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bouldercleave wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »This has gotten to the point of ridiculousness. Now, we're to the point of asking for all the skyshards, guild skill lines, quest skill points, achievements, along with the CP you're already getting.
Basically, you're asking for a template that let's you create a max level character.
No. We're not asking to have them all. We're asking to have those we already unlocked with other characters. There's a big difference.
A typical player that has been here any length of time has run through the main PvE zones at least once and done all the quests and gotten the shards. That will equal over 100 skill points. It's just asking for too much to give an alt out of the gate.
I think on my original character (professional crafter now) he has collected 390 or so shards IIRC. That's 130 insta skill points. Even if you can't apply ALL of them at once, it would be game breakingly over powered.
I don't think anyone at ZoS is stupid enough to implement something like this - and I have precious little faith in them.
Why? It still wouldnt matter unless they had the skills leveled to spend them.
Why? Because it would further unbalance a game that is already struggling to find balance in MANY areas. I'm sorry that a few of you can't see that.
To me this is not a QoL issue at all. Implementing features like this would be a very quick way to speed up the inevitable demise of the game and I don't think that is something that any of us want.
lol?
at all did you read with understood posts before if even? as we suggested these shards be unlockable only after max lvl on char hit so no unbalance while lvling and at max lvl...well...who cares? its max lvl ale we can expect everything from everyone
"speed up the inevitable demise of the game"
well if it is inevitable then why not to speed up to just ZOS could finally cleary look how they badly implement things to game
maybe if it could be speeded up much earlier then now we could have much beter balance with cancer than now? becaus eZOS could see their years of bad faster and faster finally fix it or in worst part this game could naturally die faster so many people could earlier end their annyonce, struggle and hate for balance in this game
seems logic for me, if game should die then will die and this doesnt matter if now, if could earlier and will later, game should be dead at all thats all
but if game have potential its should be always time, way to fix it until it die even while it started dying1 -
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »
Wut lolValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake0 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »This has gotten to the point of ridiculousness. Now, we're to the point of asking for all the skyshards, guild skill lines, quest skill points, achievements, along with the CP you're already getting.
Basically, you're asking for a template that let's you create a max level character.
No. We're not asking to have them all. We're asking to have those we already unlocked with other characters. There's a big difference.
A typical player that has been here any length of time has run through the main PvE zones at least once and done all the quests and gotten the shards. That will equal over 100 skill points. It's just asking for too much to give an alt out of the gate.
I think on my original character (professional crafter now) he has collected 390 or so shards IIRC. That's 130 insta skill points. Even if you can't apply ALL of them at once, it would be game breakingly over powered.
I don't think anyone at ZoS is stupid enough to implement something like this - and I have precious little faith in them.
Why? It still wouldnt matter unless they had the skills leveled to spend them.
Why? Because it would further unbalance a game that is already struggling to find balance in MANY areas. I'm sorry that a few of you can't see that.
To me this is not a QoL issue at all. Implementing features like this would be a very quick way to speed up the inevitable demise of the game and I don't think that is something that any of us want.
Where is the unbalance though? No one has actually said where the unbalance is. What is the harm in giving someone skill points they can't spend until they level their skills?
(Plus, if this is a concern about low level PvP...trust me, those guys want their skill points too)
Your skills and passives open up very quickly and I don't feel that you should be able to instantly apply points to skills and passives as fast as they become available. It creates a distinct advantage vs a new player that cannot apply points as fast and may not be able to open the same skills and passives at the same speed.
It also eliminates any feeling of progression, and there ARE actually people that care about that. With 1T, they all but killed that feeling and this would completely eliminate the rest.
I (and many others) do not want to play a game where you are instantly handed everything simply because you have been here the longest.
It's an opinion, and as such it is neither right or wrong. I just know that if something like this was implemented, I would personally stop playing and many others would as well. It would mark the turning point in this game that will lead to its demise.3 -
xan4silkb14_ESO✭✭✭✭So those who want account bound skyshards want all the rewards(skill points) with as little effort as possible? I get the appeal. You've done it already at least once and it's such a grind. Who wants to make a new character and have the agonizing decision of which skills are most important with your limited skill point resource? Why do we even have to level the skills themselves, and then their morphs? I'm not entirely sure what kind of game you want, but it doesn't seem that you really want a MMORPG. You want to be special. You don't want to slum it with the new players leveling their first character. It's not enough to use all of the CP you've earned or that any gear you want to, and have the room to keep can be used by any character you create. Nope, we need instant skill points. You want to play as little of the other aspects(skyshard hunting) of the game you don't like as possible but you want each character should be rewarded(skill points) as if they actually played those aspects.
So, to sum up, account bound skyshards should be a hard no. The only thing that isn't currently account bound that I can see maybe moving to account bound status that have almost 0 impact on play are wayshrines. Wayshrines are already mostly easy to come by with little play required if you are in a guild or have friends. When I've created new characters I spend a little time traveling to other guildies or friends that are online and sometimes repeat again if I still don't have many discovered wayshrines.3 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »This has gotten to the point of ridiculousness. Now, we're to the point of asking for all the skyshards, guild skill lines, quest skill points, achievements, along with the CP you're already getting.
Basically, you're asking for a template that let's you create a max level character.
No. We're not asking to have them all. We're asking to have those we already unlocked with other characters. There's a big difference.
A typical player that has been here any length of time has run through the main PvE zones at least once and done all the quests and gotten the shards. That will equal over 100 skill points. It's just asking for too much to give an alt out of the gate.
I think on my original character (professional crafter now) he has collected 390 or so shards IIRC. That's 130 insta skill points. Even if you can't apply ALL of them at once, it would be game breakingly over powered.
I don't think anyone at ZoS is stupid enough to implement something like this - and I have precious little faith in them.
Why? It still wouldnt matter unless they had the skills leveled to spend them.
Why? Because it would further unbalance a game that is already struggling to find balance in MANY areas. I'm sorry that a few of you can't see that.
To me this is not a QoL issue at all. Implementing features like this would be a very quick way to speed up the inevitable demise of the game and I don't think that is something that any of us want.
lol?
at all did you read with understood posts before if even? as we suggested these shards be unlockable only after max lvl on char hit so no unbalance while lvling and at max lvl...well...who cares? its max lvl ale we can expect everything from everyone
"speed up the inevitable demise of the game"
well if it is inevitable then why not to speed up to just ZOS could finally cleary look how they badly implement things to game
maybe if it could be speeded up much earlier then now we could have much beter balance with cancer than now? becaus eZOS could see their years of bad faster and faster finally fix it or in worst part this game could naturally die faster so many people could earlier end their annyonce, struggle and hate for balance in this game
seems logic for me, if game should die then will die and this doesnt matter if now, if could earlier and will later, game should be dead at all thats all
but if game have potential its should be always time, way to fix it until it die even while it started dying
You have retired from ESO already. Your opinion means *** to me. At least with Valrien I can have a real discussion with someone with skin in the game and an intelligent point of view.4 -
p00tx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Sooo...what about a compromise? Instead of spoon feeding us, maybe they can just give us a little crutch built in, like they have on PC add-ons. Make it so once you find a Skyshard/Lorebook, it places a marker on your map at that location, and this becomes account bound so all of your characters can now access it. You'll still have to hunt, but it'll be a bit less tedious and obnoxious since you won't have to go back and forth between the game and your phone/tablet/computer (for those of us on console).PC/Xbox NA
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Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bouldercleave wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »This has gotten to the point of ridiculousness. Now, we're to the point of asking for all the skyshards, guild skill lines, quest skill points, achievements, along with the CP you're already getting.
Basically, you're asking for a template that let's you create a max level character.
No. We're not asking to have them all. We're asking to have those we already unlocked with other characters. There's a big difference.
A typical player that has been here any length of time has run through the main PvE zones at least once and done all the quests and gotten the shards. That will equal over 100 skill points. It's just asking for too much to give an alt out of the gate.
I think on my original character (professional crafter now) he has collected 390 or so shards IIRC. That's 130 insta skill points. Even if you can't apply ALL of them at once, it would be game breakingly over powered.
I don't think anyone at ZoS is stupid enough to implement something like this - and I have precious little faith in them.
Why? It still wouldnt matter unless they had the skills leveled to spend them.
Why? Because it would further unbalance a game that is already struggling to find balance in MANY areas. I'm sorry that a few of you can't see that.
To me this is not a QoL issue at all. Implementing features like this would be a very quick way to speed up the inevitable demise of the game and I don't think that is something that any of us want.
lol?
at all did you read with understood posts before if even? as we suggested these shards be unlockable only after max lvl on char hit so no unbalance while lvling and at max lvl...well...who cares? its max lvl ale we can expect everything from everyone
"speed up the inevitable demise of the game"
well if it is inevitable then why not to speed up to just ZOS could finally cleary look how they badly implement things to game
maybe if it could be speeded up much earlier then now we could have much beter balance with cancer than now? becaus eZOS could see their years of bad faster and faster finally fix it or in worst part this game could naturally die faster so many people could earlier end their annyonce, struggle and hate for balance in this game
seems logic for me, if game should die then will die and this doesnt matter if now, if could earlier and will later, game should be dead at all thats all
but if game have potential its should be always time, way to fix it until it die even while it started dying
You have retired from ESO already. Your opinion means *** to me. At least with Valrien I can have a real discussion with someone with skin in the game and an intelligent point of view.
oh so? ok then, so same I can tell as your opinion is *** to me because my is same to you because I stopped playing thanks to ZOS balance
and so I will tell that you are relly ignorant then as you dont knwo how looks hardcore engame while you writing your opinion
and my point of view thne is non-intelligent? this is what I understand from this your post, only because I stopped playing it for for real this doesnt mean I forgot every even small detail of this game
and I will now surprise you, I now play maybe 2-3 days in week in this game but now fully casually as ZOS broke me and Im done with hardcore endgame like pvp
but Im not saying this even my friends because I feel it like my discomfiture as I was on really high lvl and I fell to that low lvl of just casual playing, I feel like I could be mocked for this as how high I was and fell that low while knowin my skill level.
This is why I even not count to much as Im still playing in this game while still having old old problems but now Im not that aggresive like before because its just casual playing where almost nothing matter what I doing
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »This has gotten to the point of ridiculousness. Now, we're to the point of asking for all the skyshards, guild skill lines, quest skill points, achievements, along with the CP you're already getting.
Basically, you're asking for a template that let's you create a max level character.
No. We're not asking to have them all. We're asking to have those we already unlocked with other characters. There's a big difference.
A typical player that has been here any length of time has run through the main PvE zones at least once and done all the quests and gotten the shards. That will equal over 100 skill points. It's just asking for too much to give an alt out of the gate.
I think on my original character (professional crafter now) he has collected 390 or so shards IIRC. That's 130 insta skill points. Even if you can't apply ALL of them at once, it would be game breakingly over powered.
I don't think anyone at ZoS is stupid enough to implement something like this - and I have precious little faith in them.
Why? It still wouldnt matter unless they had the skills leveled to spend them.
Why? Because it would further unbalance a game that is already struggling to find balance in MANY areas. I'm sorry that a few of you can't see that.
To me this is not a QoL issue at all. Implementing features like this would be a very quick way to speed up the inevitable demise of the game and I don't think that is something that any of us want.
Where is the unbalance though? No one has actually said where the unbalance is. What is the harm in giving someone skill points they can't spend until they level their skills?
(Plus, if this is a concern about low level PvP...trust me, those guys want their skill points too)
Your skills and passives open up very quickly and I don't feel that you should be able to instantly apply points to skills and passives as fast as they become available. It creates a distinct advantage vs a new player that cannot apply points as fast and may not be able to open the same skills and passives at the same speed.
It also eliminates any feeling of progression, and there ARE actually people that care about that. With 1T, they all but killed that feeling and this would completely eliminate the rest.
I (and many others) do not want to play a game where you are instantly handed everything simply because you have been here the longest.
It's an opinion, and as such it is neither right or wrong. I just know that if something like this was implemented, I would personally stop playing and many others would as well. It would mark the turning point in this game that will lead to its demise.
One Tamriel killed progression. Where is the sense of progression when you're always scaled up or down to the mob's level no matter what? You're right about this...but progression is completely dead, and nothing else will kill it further. This means that Skyshards being account wide will not change this at all.
Plus, there is the issue of champion points. The situation you propose will do nothing that Champion Points haven't already done (now if you want to advocate the removal of CP I'm all for it, my dude).
In short I see no way in which this leads to the demise of ESO. Tamriel Unlimited, Morrowind, and One Tamriel already all did a fine job of thatValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭xan4silkb14_ESO wrote: »So those who want account bound skyshards want all the rewards(skill points) with as little effort as possible? I get the appeal. You've done it already at least once and it's such a grind. Who wants to make a new character and have the agonizing decision of which skills are most important with your limited skill point resource? Why do we even have to level the skills themselves, and then their morphs? I'm not entirely sure what kind of game you want, but it doesn't seem that you really want a MMORPG. You want to be special. You don't want to slum it with the new players leveling their first character. It's not enough to use all of the CP you've earned or that any gear you want to, and have the room to keep can be used by any character you create. Nope, we need instant skill points. You want to play as little of the other aspects(skyshard hunting) of the game you don't like as possible but you want each character should be rewarded(skill points) as if they actually played those aspects.
So, to sum up, account bound skyshards should be a hard no. The only thing that isn't currently account bound that I can see maybe moving to account bound status that have almost 0 impact on play are wayshrines. Wayshrines are already mostly easy to come by with little play required if you are in a guild or have friends. When I've created new characters I spend a little time traveling to other guildies or friends that are online and sometimes repeat again if I still don't have many discovered wayshrines.
Funny you say that about "not wanting an MMORPG" when other games have already had such QOL updates incorporated into either the game itself or the cash shop.
Did you know WoW sells leveled characters to reduce the grind on both new and existing players?
FFXIV does too, and that game doesn't even have Skill PointsValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭and like you @tmbrinks missiong that point its easiest way to obtain skillpoint via collecting these shards and with our examples as we dont ahve single build for every character its not enough from jsut lvling skillpoints and and with it additional via dung quests or public dung group challenges, we still need more to have our single alt not boring because of avaiblity just single build at him
I never said it wasn't the easiest. I said you have other options if you find that grind too tedious.
There are 2 versions of most dungeons (that's another 50 or so skill points, public dungeons for another 15. There are 50 in pvp alone (now that is a grind!). There are 11 in the main quest alone. 8 in the CWC quest (that's a quick one! If you have DLC) You can quickly get to 200+ skill points without collecting a single skyshard (now, I would, since the quests take you to them). If 200+ skill points isn't enough, then no amount of logic on my end will change your mind.
I completely agree that skyshards are the easiest and probably the quickest way to get skill points. It's what I did to get mine on my alt accounts. But the argument from nearly everybody in the "Pro-Account Bound Skyshards" camp, has been that "Farming skyshards is boring" and disregarding the other sources of skill points. You are not REQUIRED to do the skyshard grind. It's a choice, you can choose to do it or not. Hence, it should not be account bound.
yes you never said it before but I was saying that by myself and much many who watn skyshards accound wide - because its easies, quickest wayt to get skillpoints
and no this isnt "REQUIRED" but for us who want their alts working it is mainly only option to get more skillpoints because other way like questiong is even worse for us who dont like even shards gathering on every character
skillpoints from jsut dungs still is not enough t get fully playable character as we want and as you said alliance war 50 lvl is real grind and ofc we dont do that just for alts, only its max to get caltrops if we dont want go for pvp this char atlest until we dont have these skippoints to max our alts for full playable stateSooo...what about a compromise? Instead of spoon feeding us, maybe they can just give us a little crutch built in, like they have on PC add-ons. Make it so once you find a Skyshard/Lorebook, it places a marker on your map at that location, and this becomes account bound so all of your characters can now access it. You'll still have to hunt, but it'll be a bit less tedious and obnoxious since you won't have to go back and forth between the game and your phone/tablet/computer (for those of us on console).
Oh, I completely agree with those kinds of QoL upgrades for console. I think it's ridiculous that they don't have that. Along with similar add-ons like Multi-Craft/Lazy Writ-Crafter (for quicker crafting of potions/food/furniture/writs), Awesome Guild Store, for better searching in guild traders. I would be all for add-ons like Skyshards/Lorebooks to be base game for console as well (not even having to discover them) Combat Metrics, for dps tracking, buff tracking, etc.
I couldn't imagine playing the game on console for those reasons. Not because the game would be worse, but because some simple tasks would become tedious.
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Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭I couldn't imagine playing the game on console for those reasons. Not because the game would be worse, but because some simple tasks would become tedious.
yea well for me like many many other who I also know these simple tasks as are not giving any of additional self experience in game are really tedious especially for pvp player which I also knew and while we have this higl lvl endgame with pvp then these simple thing for jsut lvling new alt are really tedious
but as I said for now as Im defeated and dont play hiogher lvl atlest which need full meta builds now I dont care for anything but I know what how is feeling by different player but some of them are really ignorarnt as we could see in just this thread and this is for both sides : P0 -
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✭✭✭I couldn't imagine playing the game on console for those reasons. Not because the game would be worse, but because some simple tasks would become tedious.
yea well for me like many many other who I also know these simple tasks as are not giving any of additional self experience in game are really tedious especially for pvp player which I also knew and while we have this higl lvl endgame with pvp then these simple thing for jsut lvling new alt are really tedious
but as I said for now as Im defeated and dont play hiogher lvl atlest which need full meta builds now I dont care for anything but I know what how is feeling by different player but some of them are really ignorarnt as we could see in just this thread and this is for both sides : P
So now we are ignorant because we disagree with your assessment of a game mechanic that you admittedly no longer even need? If you are a casual player now, why would you need 100+ insta skill points?2 -
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✭✭Bouldercleave wrote: »
Why? Because it would further unbalance a game that is already struggling to find balance in MANY areas. I'm sorry that a few of you can't see that.
To me this is not a QoL issue at all. Implementing features like this would be a very quick way to speed up the inevitable demise of the game and I don't think that is something that any of us want.
Because you already collected them on another character. People who whine about "imbalance" on low levels are fooling themselves. This counts for those not even at max CP either for alts.
1. You can literally wear level 1 training gear to 50 and it not matter.
2. People buy Power leveling services all the time in craglorn.
3. You can literally AFK and level in this game using dolmens which are 100% free and running 24/7.
You want to talk about demise of "the experience" of a game in which you can go into a zone and see about 40 people essentially AFKing their way to 50?5 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bouldercleave wrote: »I couldn't imagine playing the game on console for those reasons. Not because the game would be worse, but because some simple tasks would become tedious.
yea well for me like many many other who I also know these simple tasks as are not giving any of additional self experience in game are really tedious especially for pvp player which I also knew and while we have this higl lvl endgame with pvp then these simple thing for jsut lvling new alt are really tedious
but as I said for now as Im defeated and dont play hiogher lvl atlest which need full meta builds now I dont care for anything but I know what how is feeling by different player but some of them are really ignorarnt as we could see in just this thread and this is for both sides : P
So now we are ignorant because we disagree with your assessment of a game mechanic that you admittedly no longer even need? If you are a casual player now, why would you need 100+ insta skill points?
no, I could say just you are here who still commenting in this thread as you writed:Bouldercleave wrote: »You have retired from ESO already. Your opinion means *** to me.
so because I say I stopped playing this game now my opinion about things like this is just not worth in your side, I have played this game for over 3.5 years and with beta and my opinion is *** because I stopped playing this game and with it suddenly I forg anything about this game and different player feeling about some aspects of this game, ty.
and as casual I dont need these points right now but gues what...I know feeling for other players and who know, maybe it would be really helpful for me if I hit again 50lvl? as I still dont want to do quest.
this even now is to boring for me and I dont have the best memories about this and still I have in mind every quest which I have done before if Im going for this again0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Simply put, the people who enjoy Skyshards after the first time are the minority. There is no getting around that.
There's every way of getting around that, unless you have the empirical data with which to substantiate it.What is the harm in giving someone skill points they can't spend until they level their skills?
What is the point in giving someone skill points they can't spend? If you can't spend them until you level your skills, why are you so desperate to get them now ?2 -
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Did you not answer yourself at the start of this discussion?...why are you so desperate to get them now ?
And as I said back then...This is really only a problem for those who want a quick way for alts to get to endgame, and so they level from 1-50 at a dolmen and then complain about having to get all the skyshards too, and frankly I don't have any sympathy with that approach...
Everything else of this whole discussion is just smokescreen as the people mentioned try to muddy the facts as to sustain their "gimme!" argument.TheShadowScout wrote: »People unwilling to spend the effort yet still thinking they are entitled to all the rewards as to play at the same level with those who did indeed take the hard way and spent the effort.
And then try and rule-lawyer together a argument why they somehow deserve to get everything account wide because "they have already done it..." or "it would just be quality of living improvements" or "I dislike PvE, gimme all so I can play what I like..." or something.
...
...does it show that I sort of despise those demands at this point?
If you want something badly enough, you will gladly spend the effort to get it.
If its not worth spending the effort for you, then you did not want it enough and can do without.2 -
Noctus✭✭✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »
Did you not answer yourself at the start of this discussion?...why are you so desperate to get them now ?
And as I said back then...This is really only a problem for those who want a quick way for alts to get to endgame, and so they level from 1-50 at a dolmen and then complain about having to get all the skyshards too, and frankly I don't have any sympathy with that approach...
Everything else of this whole discussion is just smokescreen as the people mentioned try to muddy the facts as to sustain their "gimme!" argument.TheShadowScout wrote: »People unwilling to spend the effort yet still thinking they are entitled to all the rewards as to play at the same level with those who did indeed take the hard way and spent the effort.
And then try and rule-lawyer together a argument why they somehow deserve to get everything account wide because "they have already done it..." or "it would just be quality of living improvements" or "I dislike PvE, gimme all so I can play what I like..." or something.
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...does it show that I sort of despise those demands at this point?
If you want something badly enough, you will gladly spend the effort to get it.
If its not worth spending the effort for you, then you did not want it enough and can do without.
look i give u a clear and logical point of view. a game is suppose to be fun.... if u have to do a task which is not fun its work....
it makes sense to make skyshards accountwide becouse u allready discovered those areas and had ur exploration fun....
the only people who not want that skyshards are beeing accountwide are people that allready done this like 10 times and dont want other people to have it easier. am i wrong ?
skyshards not beeing accountwide is a flaw of the game becouse it forces people to do something which is not fun and a game as stated before is suppose to be fun. most people here have a job they dont need a 2nd or 3rd one which wont even be payed right ? (if u dont understand this statement look at my 2nd sentence)Edited by Noctus on November 13, 2018 9:12PM6 -
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Did you not answer yourself at the start of this discussion?...why are you so desperate to get them now ?
And as I said back then...This is really only a problem for those who want a quick way for alts to get to endgame, and so they level from 1-50 at a dolmen and then complain about having to get all the skyshards too, and frankly I don't have any sympathy with that approach...
Everything else of this whole discussion is just smokescreen as the people mentioned try to muddy the facts as to sustain their "gimme!" argument.TheShadowScout wrote: »People unwilling to spend the effort yet still thinking they are entitled to all the rewards as to play at the same level with those who did indeed take the hard way and spent the effort.
And then try and rule-lawyer together a argument why they somehow deserve to get everything account wide because "they have already done it..." or "it would just be quality of living improvements" or "I dislike PvE, gimme all so I can play what I like..." or something.
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...does it show that I sort of despise those demands at this point?
If you want something badly enough, you will gladly spend the effort to get it.
If its not worth spending the effort for you, then you did not want it enough and can do without.
look i give u a clear and logical point of view. a game is suppose to be fun.... if u have to do a task which is not fun its work....
it makes sense to make skyshards accountwide becouse u allready discovered those areas and had ur exploration fun....
the only people who not want that skyshards are beeing accountwide are people that allready done this like 10 times and dont want other people to have it easier. am i wrong ?
skyshards not beeing accountwide is a flaw of the game becouse it forces people to do something which is not fun and a game as stated before is suppose to be fun. most people here have a job they dont need a 2nd or 3rd one which wont even be payed right ? (if u dont understand this statement look at my 2nd sentence)
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Yes, in my opinion you are wrong. I want them not account bound simply because I like to wander across Tamriel on all my 14 alts, getting shyshards, doing quests, farming nodes and killing mobs. Skyshards are just part of this wandering for all my alts. It really doesn't matter to me if someone thinks that I "dont want other people to have it easier". Sorry, majority of people don't think that way, this assumption sounds absurdly.it makes sense to make skyshards accountwide becouse u allready discovered those areas and had ur exploration fun.... the only people who not want that skyshards are beeing accountwide are people that allready done this like 10 times and dont want other people to have it easier. am i wrong ?
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Yes, in my opinion you are wrong. I want them not account bound simply because I like to wander across Tamriel on all my 14 alts, getting shyshards, doing quests, farming nodes and killing mobs. Skyshards are just part of this wandering for all my alts. It really doesn't matter to me if someone thinks that I "dont want other people to have it easier". Sorry, majority of people don't think that way, this assumption sounds absurdly.it makes sense to make skyshards accountwide becouse u allready discovered those areas and had ur exploration fun.... the only people who not want that skyshards are beeing accountwide are people that allready done this like 10 times and dont want other people to have it easier. am i wrong ?
so you will not have p[roblem if it would have an option for toggable or something like you need to jsut acvtive on your alt to get skyshards from other char
you are this one who will dont care about this as easier way for many other while this wouldnt have an effect on balance and still let you do what you like 0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »One thing no one has addressed is how this would muck up the current achievements you can get from collecting skyshards. Would you be demanding to have access to the dyes you get if you could just buy access to skill points?
Also how would this effect zones outside your chosen alliance? Would you get shards only native to your alliance zones? Or all zones? And wouldn't this mess up Cadwells Silver and Gold?
easy why like they have done with dyes or collectibles - once unlocked on 1 char then avaible for rest while you still can go for achiev for collecting this if its really that mmuch immersive for some ignorants as I see
Ignorants? Excuse me?
as I said in many post before and I see you are on of them who defend shards to be separate for every char while ignoring fact many playrer :
- dont have time to run it on every new char
- dont have any of fun in this running collecting simulator
- its just boring af for many
- and again not everyone have time for this while aslo have no fun running for this
and most is hard defenders of this system because its ok, its immersive for them to have it separately on every char while ignoring rest players who have more problem with this than fun of playing doing this
1. There is a point we have more characters than we should have. I already know I reached my limit and beyond and that is ok.
2. We do not need everything, especially all SP, on every character. I have well over 300 on 5 characters, over 350 on some, but have much less than 200 on the rest. I do fine with each character.
sure we dont need to have all skillpoints on every character, at all this thread is about just skyshards, not every skillpoint from quests etc
I have my main on which I have literally everything which I could achieve and its ok
but after long time playing only my main I want to play other classes for more fun and difference in it
I really have problem about mainly achievs locked for every character but this is for other topic
problem which I have is that as every time I have leveled my new char I know how to play him, I have knowledge about it and Im ready in it for harder endgame like pvp after shor time of practise while still missing many skillpoints if grinded
as I see I have atlest average 140-160 skyshards gathered on every char to have option swap in some different builds without need to respec
so even accountwide skyshards we wont need to have all unlocked, maybe atlest all gathered from dung or from opwen world map? this would be enough for basics in most while not forcing players to struggle with this gathering so explore most of maps which is really taking time and and not much fun for x-th time
EDIT: and what I see when now I looked closely to my alts? every next/later alt have aless and less shards unlocked because of how more boring it is every next time and with it not fun
First you are choosing to grind your character so that is really a choice. You are going for speed leveling up rather than efficiency since doing the skill point quests would go far to get a character skill point ready at the end.
Second, it is really obvious that your limited view is not shared by many. It has been stated in here already some want pretty much a ready made character with everything leveled up just because they leveled it one for one.
So the main logic, other than what I stated early, that Zos will use is give them an inch and they will want a mile. Zos would be wise to avoid moving that inch.
"Quests" and "efficient" used at the same time?
You just made me literally LOL dude
LOL. Anyone who supports this the idea because they thing grinding XP then going and farming sky shards makes me lol.
Granted, some are smarter than others and the smart ones that want a decent number of skill points will do the skill point quests. So LOL right back at you.
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Yes, in my opinion you are wrong. I want them not account bound simply because I like to wander across Tamriel on all my 14 alts, getting shyshards, doing quests, farming nodes and killing mobs. Skyshards are just part of this wandering for all my alts. It really doesn't matter to me if someone thinks that I "dont want other people to have it easier". Sorry, majority of people don't think that way, this assumption sounds absurdly.it makes sense to make skyshards accountwide becouse u allready discovered those areas and had ur exploration fun.... the only people who not want that skyshards are beeing accountwide are people that allready done this like 10 times and dont want other people to have it easier. am i wrong ?
I didn't say that. No idea why I'm in that quoteValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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Yes, in my opinion you are wrong. I want them not account bound simply because I like to wander across Tamriel on all my 14 alts, getting shyshards, doing quests, farming nodes and killing mobs. Skyshards are just part of this wandering for all my alts. It really doesn't matter to me if someone thinks that I "dont want other people to have it easier". Sorry, majority of people don't think that way, this assumption sounds absurdly.it makes sense to make skyshards accountwide becouse u allready discovered those areas and had ur exploration fun.... the only people who not want that skyshards are beeing accountwide are people that allready done this like 10 times and dont want other people to have it easier. am i wrong ?
I didn't say that. No idea why I'm in that quote
It's quite obvious that you didn't. You write in complete, coherent sentences that even though may be disagreeable, can be understood.
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Dreyloch✭✭✭✭✭Skyshards will never and of course should never be account bound, unlocked so new characters have all those SPs.
I realize it is easy to overlook but it is absurd to think a new character should start off loaded with skill points but when one looks at PvP it is clear it would be unbalanced and unfair in the below lvl 50 campaign.
So that is the reason they will never be unlocked for the account and no one has offered a logical reason that they should be.
So you asked me to read this and I say, really don't care. You can go to the MAIN campaign at level 10. Unless your someone that's absolutely new to the game, no one goes to under 50 anymore on alts. I know I sure don't. If you think that's going to put off new troops for your faction, then guess what? They probably don't have the constitution for it in the first place!
PvP takes a very hardy soul to keep getting up and coming back when your knocked down repeatedly. Skill points or not."The fear of Death, is often worse than death itself"1 -
xan4silkb14_ESO✭✭✭✭Skyshards will never and of course should never be account bound, unlocked so new characters have all those SPs.
I realize it is easy to overlook but it is absurd to think a new character should start off loaded with skill points but when one looks at PvP it is clear it would be unbalanced and unfair in the below lvl 50 campaign.
So that is the reason they will never be unlocked for the account and no one has offered a logical reason that they should be.
So you asked me to read this and I say, really don't care. You can go to the MAIN campaign at level 10. Unless your someone that's absolutely new to the game, no one goes to under 50 anymore on alts. I know I sure don't. If you think that's going to put off new troops for your faction, then guess what? They probably don't have the constitution for it in the first place!
PvP takes a very hardy soul to keep getting up and coming back when your knocked down repeatedly. Skill points or not.
You clearly don't read the PvP forums. There are quite a few not-new-to-the-game players in the under 50 campaign. Hell, some of them regularly reroll characters to go back.
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sulima✭✭✭RaddlemanNumber7 wrote: »No, absolutely not. Each time one of my characters absorbs a skyshard it is a special little moment for me as well. I've just restarted my 15th character to ensure that it continues to happen.
As a casual player I don't agree with this statement, and frankly what would it take away from you if an option for other players was available to make it account bound? I'm sure the DEVs could make it a toggling option for all the MMO purists strongly voicing their concerns in this thread. Would that be OK then, or would you then feel cheated by it? OMG!!! ZOS is now pay to win...
I don't find it enjoyable to hunt down skyshards a second time, more importantly I don't have the cycles to do so. I find these types of grinds fests the biggest flaw of most MMOs.
I tell you what would be nice, me rolling another class and explore all the great skill lines that I can from the points I already earned on a different character.
Personally, I believe my dues are paid in full to ZOS, but pretty sure it's folks with 15+ characters out there that will never feel that way for reasons I truly can't understand.
I prefer the current model over Account Wide option, I hunt the Sky Shards while clearing the Delves and Public Dungeons for a Zone, I have 10 characters on EU and 3 on NA.
For CP; Server Wide is the correct approach.
If others had an option to have it account bound to explore new content, all while the option to explore skyshards remained would that be ok???TheShadowScout wrote: »
Did you not answer yourself at the start of this discussion?...why are you so desperate to get them now ?
And as I said back then...This is really only a problem for those who want a quick way for alts to get to endgame, and so they level from 1-50 at a dolmen and then complain about having to get all the skyshards too, and frankly I don't have any sympathy with that approach...
Everything else of this whole discussion is just smokescreen as the people mentioned try to muddy the facts as to sustain their "gimme!" argument.TheShadowScout wrote: »People unwilling to spend the effort yet still thinking they are entitled to all the rewards as to play at the same level with those who did indeed take the hard way and spent the effort.
And then try and rule-lawyer together a argument why they somehow deserve to get everything account wide because "they have already done it..." or "it would just be quality of living improvements" or "I dislike PvE, gimme all so I can play what I like..." or something.
...
...does it show that I sort of despise those demands at this point?
If you want something badly enough, you will gladly spend the effort to get it.
If its not worth spending the effort for you, then you did not want it enough and can do without.
look i give u a clear and logical point of view. a game is suppose to be fun.... if u have to do a task which is not fun its work....
it makes sense to make skyshards accountwide becouse u allready discovered those areas and had ur exploration fun....
the only people who not want that skyshards are beeing accountwide are people that allready done this like 10 times and dont want other people to have it easier. am i wrong ?
skyshards not beeing accountwide is a flaw of the game becouse it forces people to do something which is not fun and a game as stated before is suppose to be fun. most people here have a job they dont need a 2nd or 3rd one which wont even be payed right ? (if u dont understand this statement look at my 2nd sentence)
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I have done it like fifteen times, and it was super easy for me... so I am not quite sure what you were thinking here...the only people who not want that skyshards are beeing accountwide are people that allready done this like 10 times and dont want other people to have it easier...
Of course, I -do- pick up the skyshards en passant while doing the questing with my alts, so there is that, compared to doping all the familliar quests for the dozenth time, takeing three steps to the side to grab that skyshard too is nothing.
Account wide stuff is something I myself would bebefit from, a great deal.
I still will keep arguing against any more account wide stuff then we already have, because I believe it would be deterimental to the game to make things too easy - seeing ones effort gaining one some rewards is one of the reasons such games work for more then a playthrough after all!
Yeah, suuuuure.If others had an option to have it account bound to explore new content, all while the option to explore skyshards remained would that be ok???
How about the game gives everyone everything right at start, so there is nothing left to work for? I mean, they still could if they like, yes?
What will happen?
Considering historical precedent, the majority will stop working for anything, loose interest and go for a game where they -can- have their effort rewarded over those who do not spend any effort.
And ESO gets shut down.
I mean, the whole "gimme" argument here is started from exactly the wrong direction.
People keep arguing how getting the shyshards and accompaning skill points on their alts for no extra effort would benefit -them-!
How would it benfit ZOS?
It would not.
So its not gonna happen.
In exactly the same way account-wide riding is not gonna happen, and account wide level 50 is not gonna happen, and account wide quest completion is not gonna happen, and account wide crafting research is not gonna happen, and account wide alliance ranks are not gonna happen, and account wide achievements are not gonna happen...
But...
...there is something that might benefit ZOS in this regard... If people feel strongly enough about avoiding the so-called "skyshard grind" to -PAY- for it... just like some pay for riding lessons... well, that is something that ZOS might someday decide to do, put an "convenience item" for regional shyshard collection in the crown store.
IF they thought the people who loudly whine against having to actually make an effort to gain those skyshards would be willing to put their money where their mouth is, instead of just crying on the forums, that is.
How about it?
Who of the ones who whine loudly would be willing to -pay- for it, hmmm?
I am guessing... not many.
I am guessing... if they feel the effort to grab them in-game is too much already, they certainly would not want to spend actual money.
I am guessing... they just want free handouts.
...and that is why I for one will keep calling them the "gimme crowd" and have a very low opinion of their "give me stuff I am too lazy to spend minor effort on because otherwise I'll cry and whine!" mentality...2 -
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✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »
I have done it like fifteen times, and it was super easy for me... so I am not quite sure what you were thinking here...the only people who not want that skyshards are beeing accountwide are people that allready done this like 10 times and dont want other people to have it easier...
Of course, I -do- pick up the skyshards en passant while doing the questing with my alts, so there is that, compared to doping all the familliar quests for the dozenth time, takeing three steps to the side to grab that skyshard too is nothing.
Account wide stuff is something I myself would bebefit from, a great deal.
I still will keep arguing against any more account wide stuff then we already have, because I believe it would be deterimental to the game to make things too easy - seeing ones effort gaining one some rewards is one of the reasons such games work for more then a playthrough after all!
Yeah, suuuuure.If others had an option to have it account bound to explore new content, all while the option to explore skyshards remained would that be ok???
How about the game gives everyone everything right at start, so there is nothing left to work for? I mean, they still could if they like, yes?
What will happen?
Considering historical precedent, the majority will stop working for anything, loose interest and go for a game where they -can- have their effort rewarded over those who do not spend any effort.
And ESO gets shut down.
I mean, the whole "gimme" argument here is started from exactly the wrong direction.
People keep arguing how getting the shyshards and accompaning skill points on their alts for no extra effort would benefit -them-!
How would it benfit ZOS?
It would not.
So its not gonna happen.
In exactly the same way account-wide riding is not gonna happen, and account wide level 50 is not gonna happen, and account wide quest completion is not gonna happen, and account wide crafting research is not gonna happen, and account wide alliance ranks are not gonna happen, and account wide achievements are not gonna happen...
But...
...there is something that might benefit ZOS in this regard... If people feel strongly enough about avoiding the so-called "skyshard grind" to -PAY- for it... just like some pay for riding lessons... well, that is something that ZOS might someday decide to do, put an "convenience item" for regional shyshard collection in the crown store.
IF they thought the people who loudly whine against having to actually make an effort to gain those skyshards would be willing to put their money where their mouth is, instead of just crying on the forums, that is.
How about it?
Who of the ones who whine loudly would be willing to -pay- for it, hmmm?
I am guessing... not many.
I am guessing... if they feel the effort to grab them in-game is too much already, they certainly would not want to spend actual money.
I am guessing... they just want free handouts.
...and that is why I for one will keep calling them the "gimme crowd" and have a very low opinion of their "give me stuff I am too lazy to spend minor effort on because otherwise I'll cry and whine!" mentality...
I see. First off, the ad hominem attacks weaken your argument, not strengthen it.
Lighten up on those. Insults like those are why no one take the arguments against these types of things seriously. Most people who post them can't ever resist calling everyone a bunch of lazy, entitled crybabies.
Second off, I want to address your opening statement. You say Skyshards are incredibly east to the point where you've already done it 15 times...but then you also say they require effort and that those efforts should be rewarded. So which is it, are they insignificantly easy or do they require effort? You're being contradictory
Third, improving the game benefits ZOS. Nothing more, nothing less. Regardless of whether this change would be free or paid for, it would benefit ZOS. Not everything has to have a price tag to be of benefit to a company.
Lastly, many people actually would be willing to pay for this if ZOS wasn't the company selling it. The Crown Store is overpriced and disingenuous. More likely than not, I would be paying 10 dollars per zone of Skyshards per character just like riding lessons (btw, riding lessons are about 10 bucks for 1/18 of your horse. Just let that sink in. You need just under 200 dollars to get a useable horse. If that doesn't scream mobile gatcha game I don't know what does). See my Crown Store thread for my opinion on the ZOS Crown Store. If the price was reasonable and it was truly unlocked for my account I would have no problems paying.
TL;DR Your ad hominems sprinkled throughout your post make your argument a joke. Your position is contradictory. You are wrong in thinking that just because something does not have a price tag attached it, there is no incentive to improve of the game. And that many would be willing to pay for it if the Crown Store wasn't awful.
Btw work on your tone. Your post conveys too much of an "I am so right lol" mentality for someone so wrong.Edited by Valrien on November 14, 2018 2:32PMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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I have done it like fifteen times, and it was super easy for me... so I am not quite sure what you were thinking here...the only people who not want that skyshards are beeing accountwide are people that allready done this like 10 times and dont want other people to have it easier...
Of course, I -do- pick up the skyshards en passant while doing the questing with my alts, so there is that, compared to doping all the familliar quests for the dozenth time, takeing three steps to the side to grab that skyshard too is nothing.
Account wide stuff is something I myself would bebefit from, a great deal.
I still will keep arguing against any more account wide stuff then we already have, because I believe it would be deterimental to the game to make things too easy - seeing ones effort gaining one some rewards is one of the reasons such games work for more then a playthrough after all!
Yeah, suuuuure.If others had an option to have it account bound to explore new content, all while the option to explore skyshards remained would that be ok???
How about the game gives everyone everything right at start, so there is nothing left to work for? I mean, they still could if they like, yes?
What will happen?
Considering historical precedent, the majority will stop working for anything, loose interest and go for a game where they -can- have their effort rewarded over those who do not spend any effort.
And ESO gets shut down.
I mean, the whole "gimme" argument here is started from exactly the wrong direction.
People keep arguing how getting the shyshards and accompaning skill points on their alts for no extra effort would benefit -them-!
How would it benfit ZOS?
It would not.
So its not gonna happen.
In exactly the same way account-wide riding is not gonna happen, and account wide level 50 is not gonna happen, and account wide quest completion is not gonna happen, and account wide crafting research is not gonna happen, and account wide alliance ranks are not gonna happen, and account wide achievements are not gonna happen...
But...
...there is something that might benefit ZOS in this regard... If people feel strongly enough about avoiding the so-called "skyshard grind" to -PAY- for it... just like some pay for riding lessons... well, that is something that ZOS might someday decide to do, put an "convenience item" for regional shyshard collection in the crown store.
IF they thought the people who loudly whine against having to actually make an effort to gain those skyshards would be willing to put their money where their mouth is, instead of just crying on the forums, that is.
How about it?
Who of the ones who whine loudly would be willing to -pay- for it, hmmm?
I am guessing... not many.
I am guessing... if they feel the effort to grab them in-game is too much already, they certainly would not want to spend actual money.
I am guessing... they just want free handouts.
...and that is why I for one will keep calling them the "gimme crowd" and have a very low opinion of their "give me stuff I am too lazy to spend minor effort on because otherwise I'll cry and whine!" mentality...
I for one, am not apart of the "gimmie" crowd. I just want the game to be less tedious. I don't want to play Old Content when you spend money on playing new content. People would pay for sky shards. But that would be P2W. And again, YOU WOULD NOT BE GIVEN THEM. YOU WOULD HAVE TO GET THEM ALL FIRST. That is not, "Gimmie this for free" That is, "I have done this once before, so don't make me do the same exact *** thing again and again"5