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Longest run with Undaunted chest till your item? I'm up to over 70 keys without a single Velidreth
oDezX
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Its got to a point now where the range in rng is a joke.
I'm trying on the chest with the *least* outcomes for a Velidreth Medium shoulder, gave up even trying to get one with Divines, ill just transmute it. However, in over 70 keys I've not had a single Velidreth shoulder. Whether light, medium or heavy.
Getting a little annoying
I'm trying on the chest with the *least* outcomes for a Velidreth Medium shoulder, gave up even trying to get one with Divines, ill just transmute it. However, in over 70 keys I've not had a single Velidreth shoulder. Whether light, medium or heavy.
Getting a little annoying
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Maxdevil✭✭✭Lol got about 5-6 Velidreth in 25-30keys only one zaan light shoulderEdited by Maxdevil on November 11, 2018 2:53PM"Maxdevil knows much, and tells some. Maxdevil knows many things others do not."
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TheKingofSass✭✭✭✭Rngesus must really hate you. Granted, the game just knows what you really want and gives you exactly not that. I really am in the need for an earthgore heavy shoulder, only got it in medium and it keeps giving me the warden.. occasionally kena and a tons of Domi....ripperoni pepperoni."Remember, darkness does not always equate to evil, just as light does not always bring good."
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Velodreth was an epic PITA for me as well, but just to reiterate what @molecule mentioned here, only the big chest in the middle drops Velidreth.
Also, just my blind assumption here, I am pretty sure that when I got my Velidreth shoulder it was on a DLC vet pledge key. Not one of the easier ones.
Edited by Nerdrage9000 on November 11, 2018 2:59PM0 -
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Yes. Middle. It has the least outcomes out of all the 3 chests it terms of chance to get the item I want.Nerdrage9000 wrote: »
Velodreth was an epic PITA for me as well, but just to reiterate what @molecule mentioned here, only the big chest in the middle drops Velidreth.
Also, just my blind assumption here, I am pretty sure that when I got my Velidreth shoulder it was on a DLC vet pledge key. Not one of the easier ones.
All the keys are the sameveli only drops from the middle chest, where all the DLC sets are in.
Yes. I have been around long enough. I have likely deconstructed a Medium Velidreth in the past because I thought I would get a Divines one eventually. I then created more and more Chars and left trying to get Velidreth alone to my annoyance
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✭✭482 keys...before I FINALLY got Kena shoulder piece [in any weight/trait]
This is why I suggest that we are given the option to turn in monster shoulders/helms that we don't want in exchange for "undaunted tokens" which would be used to buy more keys or [at a higher cost..say 30 pieces worth] a shoulder of your choosing..but with a random weight & trait.0 -
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FilteredRiddle✭✭✭✭Before transmutation, I remember using 500ish keys trying to get the right shoulder/trait combination. Since transmutation, the most keys I've used to get a specific shoulder in any trait is somewhere around 50ish.Xbox One NA
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✭✭Around 19x - 200 keys to get my medium Zaan medium shoulder .
ZOS may think this is funny ?
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cheops✭✭✭I had a problem with velidreth too.
Yet I repeatedly had the same item from another set over the 50 or so keys I used on the same chest.
does not feel like RNG to me....0 -
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✭✭Random number generator, what can I say... yes, you're an outlier, but not of improbable proportion. The middle chest drops ten shoulders; approximately one player in a thousand and a half will spend 70 keys without getting should they desire in any weight. If they're gunning for certain weight to boot, then they have 9.3% chance not to get what they want with 70 keys, that's one of out ten players.
That's why I'm voting for introducing the 'fair scheduling' in the random generator that governs drops. The longer someone isn't getting a certain drop, the higher the chance of that drop is - maybe up until guaranteed drop after long succession of not getting it. That would remove great deal of outliers.Edited by John_Falstaff on November 13, 2018 10:24AM2 -
ZoM_Head✭✭✭✭Its got to a point now where the range in rng is a joke.
I'm trying on the chest with the *least* outcomes for a Velidreth Medium shoulder, gave up even trying to get one with Divines, ill just transmute it. However, in over 70 keys I've not had a single Velidreth shoulder. Whether light, medium or heavy.
Getting a little annoying
Before transmutation kicked in, spent 800+ keys to get Skoria medium divine shoulders and it never dropped.
Did the undaunted dailies on 4 characters, till this day those shoulder never dropped in that trait. Just transmuted some training ones to divines but it is a joke.mDKs still need a lot of love!0 -
lokulin✭✭✭✭✭John_Falstaff wrote: »Random number generator, what can I say... yes, you're an outlier, but not of improbable proportion. The middle chest drops ten shoulders; approximately one player in a thousand and a half will spend 70 keys without getting should they desire in any weight. If they're gunning for certain weight to boot, then they have 9.3% chance not to get what they want with 70 keys, that's one of out ten players.
That's why I'm voting for introducing the 'fair scheduling' in the random generator that governs drops. The longer someone isn't getting a certain drop, the higher the chance of that drop is - maybe up until guaranteed drop after long succession of not getting it. That would remove great deal of outliers.
Glad to see someone else who understands probability here. I'd totally be on board with 'fair scheduling' although I'm not sure how they would make it work. How does the game know you want a particular shoulder or weapon? In a game where your ability to be able to pull your weight in group content somewhat depends on your ability to obtain certain items the fact that some people may have to spend hundreds of hours on something where others may get it in minutes doesn't seem to me like a fun or fair gameplay mechanic. Sure in a lot of things the randomness evens out but there are some places, like shoulders and vMA drops where there is less opportunity for things to normalize.I've hidden your signature.1 -
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✭✭Would be nice if you at least got to choose from 2 or 3 from that chest with a random trait.0 -
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Puzzlenuts✭✭✭Spent 100+ keys trying to get heavy divines grothdarr never got them until transmutation came along. More recently spent about 60 some keys to get heavy Zaan's.0 -
RavenSworn✭✭✭✭✭Guess that's why I got alts. Got all the shoulder pieces that I want within 20 keys each char? And it is usually weird rng, like I would get lots of shadow rend on my healer but lots of velidreth on my tank.
Its really rng at work. But I do agree on a token system. It's the least that they can do.Ingame: RavenSworn, Pc / NA.
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✭✭@lokulin , in my imagination, it's not about what player wants, but rather what player gets and what he doesn't. Yes, it sadly would require to keep track of drops for each player individually, so there's that. And when I said 'longer', I didn't have time in mind, not exactly, but rather number of drops received so far.
So, for example, loot table for Warrior in HRC contains certain number of possible items; jewelry of several types, weapons. Suppose a player finished HRC and got his drop - say, Infallible ring. At this moment, the probabilities of all other drops in this particular loot table would be adjusted upwards for this particular player, and next time he runs HRC, he gets slightly higher chance to get other drops than Infallible ring. Next run he gets VO dagger and that returns probability of that dagger back to where it was before (lower in fact since others grew), while all other drops he so far hadn't seen will be adjusted higher yet. That way, the longer he runs HRC without seeing, say, AY dagger, the higher the dagger's probability in his personal version of the loot table is.Edited by John_Falstaff on November 13, 2018 11:30AM0 -
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