Do you guys think!? [Dead Sets]

Ermiq · November 2018

I'm not an expert, but I know a set which is absolutely useless and has an alternative which outperforms even on a paper.

Prayer's Shawl:

(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka

(3 tiems) Adds 129 Spell Damage

(4 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery

(5 items) When you heal a friendly target, you have a 6% chance to grant them a damage shield that absorbs 2340 damage for 6 seconds.

While Combat Physician does almost the same but a way more better:

(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka

(3 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical

(4 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical

(5 items) Critically Healing an ally grants them a 8195 Damage Shield for 8 seconds. This effect has a cooldown of 6 seconds.

Lord_Eomer · November 2018

Add Murkmire Set @ Dead Water into list

sekou_trayvond · November 2018

I'd suggest that ZoS look into adding specific skill buffs into the 5th piece bonus, kind of like they do now with Maelstrom and Master weps. Currently, there are simply too many sets and not enough gameplay aspects to enhance. However, there a lot of skills going unnoticed and underused. This could be a means to kill two cliff racers with one stone.

regime211 · November 2018

sekou_trayvond wrote: »

I'd suggest that ZoS look into adding specific skill buffs into the 5th piece bonus, kind of like they do now with Maelstrom and Master weps. Currently, there are simply too many sets and not enough gameplay aspects to enhance. However, there a lot of skills going unnoticed and underused. This could be a means to kill two cliff racers with one stone.

Exactly, and Zos has actually given buffs to some skills that rarely anyone uses.

regime211 · November 2018

SirAndy wrote: »

regime211 wrote: »

Lol THIS! Anyone saying they can affectively use a useless/nerf set to work is an outright lier.

Anyone who claims that each and every set on that list posted above is useless for everyone is an outright liar ...

Have you used every single set? If you believe they're all useful by all means make a video displaying each sets capabilities in all aspects of the game.

regime211 · November 2018

RavenSworn wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

In PVE , you may see every raider almost run the same gears .

Tank - Ebon , Alkosh
Mag dps - Siroria , Mother's Sorrow
Stam dps - Relequen , Yokeda
Healer - Olorime

ZOS limited the player choices .

Theory crafting ? Take a look those youtubers or this forum active crafters , gears choices exactly the same !

Its not that the choices are limited, it's that most you tubers and a majority of the community wants to have the best gear possible. It's just human. You'd want the best stuff for yourself, and dealing great numbers with minimal effort required.

All content, even vet trials don't require maximum dps numbers. But if you want to finish it quick, skip mechanics and all that jazz, then yes higher numbers allow you to do that.

Most people mistake optimal with viable. Viable means as long as you can finish the content in reasonable time, you're good to go. I've done vet HM dungeons with 20k dps (with being 50% of the total dps even). That's the beauty of builds isn't it, there's always choices. Will there be a build that surpasses them all in terms of raw damage? Of course.

"ok guys, passing marks for this test is 75%."
"I've got 80%, that should be good."
"What?! Dude cmon, 98% is where it's at! Epic fails man."
"Seriously?"

Imagine a mechanic that has the boss reflect damage back to all players and have a unforgiving phase? That high dps won't save the group, it'll kill them. What if a mechanic require you to have self heals in addition to your healer? Perhaps a dungeon that requires you to have major expedition up at all times because of constant snares? So yeah, sets might be useless now... Might change tomorrow. /shrug

Sounds like you got carried in that HM dungeon, I find it really hard to believe with 20k dps, you didnt beat a HM dungeon without the other DPS having higher dps than you, or you had two other dps, if this was the case zos wouldn't make sets specifically for trials, if you could just use any said equipment, there is a reason why some trial sets come with bonuses that boost damage to enemies in trials.

regime211 · November 2018

tunepunk wrote: »

Agree with @Aluneth

I often play around with odd set combinations together with skills, just for fun.

One example I'm going to try in BG's when I collected the pieces i need is.

Curse of DolyMesh:
(5 items) When you hit a taunted monster with a fully-charged Heavy Attack or any enemy that is stunned or immobilized with a fully-charged Heavy Attack, you deal an additional 12040 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 7 seconds.

combined with:
Inner Beast Which is a ranged Taunt. and throw some Ranged Bow Heavy's...

Not sure how effective it is, but sure gonna be fun to try...

Another fun combo I'm going to try in BG's as well for a Hybrid Trapper.
Swarm Mother + Eternal Hunt + other trap like skills.

1, Drop some daedric mines &, Volcanic Rune.
2. Roll dodge out of your circle to place yet another trap.
3. Block and pull With Swarm mother, or with Silver Leach.

I think this game has a lot of fun sets. That might not be that strong in PvE but can be really fun in PvP.

I've tried Dolymesh, and it was dookie, didnt hit as hard and it requires a specific class for it to proc

regime211 · November 2018

Kadoin wrote: »

regime211 wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

here is my personal list of scrap

Thank you for giving us a perfect example of why "Set xxx is utter trash and completely useless" posts are completely useless.

Just because someone can't figure out how to make a set work with a build doesn't mean that set is useless for everyone.

It really just means that person couldn't figure it out.

Thank you for pointing out my lack of insight in this area. To all, especially the OP who asked for others’ thoughts on this subject, I apologize for wasting your time with my replies. I should have known the only appropriate response to the OP’s query is “such threads are completely useless.”

In the future, please forward all questions on this topic to Sir Andy. I’m sure he has very detailed and proven builds using sets like Spelunker where he can bust out 45k DPS no problem.

Oh, and be sure to find out how he stores all of these sets he has figured out how to use effectively. Both are well beyond my intellect and I dare not embarrass myself further.

Lol THIS! Anyone saying they can affectively use a useless/nerf set to work is an outright lier.

Most of those sets are not useless though...

Notice how I said "sets" and didn't refer to that persons post?

Qbiken · November 2018

El_Borracho wrote: »

At the risk of inviting "you moron, that set is awesome" posts, here is my personal list of scrap. This is driven primarily by inventory control and lack of use. While some sets may be useful, I believe there is another set that outperforms it, that's why it made the list.

Affliction
Arch Mage
Armor Master
Baharaha’s Curse
Bark Skin
Buffer of the Swift
Combat Physician
Crest of Cyrodiil
Crusader
Deadly Strike
Defiler
Destruction Mastery
Draugr’s Rest
Dreamers
Dreugh King Slayer
Embershield
Essence Thief
Eternal Warrior
Footman
Glorious Defender
Grace of the Ancients
Hanu’s Compassion
Hatchlings Shell
Haven of Ursus
Healer’s Habit
Hunt Leader
Ice Furnace
Immortal Warrior
Inventor’s Guard
Invigoration
Jolting Arms
Juggernaut
Knight Errant Mail
Knightmare
Light Speaker
Lunar Bastion
Mad Tinkerer
Medusa
Morihaus
Netch Touch
Nikulas’ Heavy Armor
Noble Duelist
Oblivion’s Edge
Order of Diagna
Orgnum’s Scales
Overwhelming Surge
Pelinal’s Aptitude
Prayer Shawl
Quick Serpent
Ranger’s Gait
Rattlecage
Red Mountain
Robes of the Necromancer
Scathing Mage
Sergeant’s Mail
Sentry
Shalk Exoskleton
Spelunker
Spider Cultist
Storm Knight
Storm Master
Stygian
Svarra’s Scales
Sword Dancer
Sword Singer
Syrabane’s Grip
Toothrow
Tormentor
Treasure Hunter
Trinimac’s Valor
Truth
Twin Sisters
Undaunted Bastion
Undaunted Infiltrator
Unfathomable Darkness
Vampire Cloak
Vampire Lord
Vanguard
Vanus
Warlock
Warrior Poet
Way of Fire
Way of the Air
Wise Mage
Witchman
Withered Hand
Wrath of the Imperium
Ysgramor’s Birthright

Of those sets I disagree with the following ones:
- Bark Skin (used to be meta for permablock builds back when it was bugged and didn´t have a cooldown)
- Crest of Cyrodil
- Overwhelming Surge: One of the most used sets on magplar. Incredibly good proc set.
- Scathing Mage: Still used in PvE, not as frequently but still used by endgame players.
- Truth: No idea why you find truth to be a useless set....

Gargath · November 2018

With last changes to Minor Toughness for the Wardens, the Warrior-Poet set should give at least Major Toughness now (+20% max health).

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · November 2018

every game has dead sets...if its not meta its not used and that's how it is cuz you cant have everything equal...would kill the reason of progression

mb10 · November 2018

Some sets NEED a serious serious buff, they have potential but are just so pathetically bad atm

mb10 · November 2018

D0PAMINE wrote: »

Btw, Oblivions edge is great for filling soul gems, Oblivions foe isnt on your list tho, and that set is bad.

lmao who the hell fills soul gems???

olsborg · November 2018

Like 75% of all sets are useless or overly weak. And 75% of those again are craftables

phileunderx2 · November 2018

Stack of filled soul gems vendors for 6k. They pile up and are a decent source of gold.

kringled_1 · November 2018

regime211 wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

regime211 wrote: »

Lol THIS! Anyone saying they can affectively use a useless/nerf set to work is an outright lier.

Anyone who claims that each and every set on that list posted above is useless for everyone is an outright liar ...

Have you used every single set? If you believe they're all useful by all means make a video displaying each sets capabilities in all aspects of the game.

That's not what he said at all. He was saying that there are useful sets in that list, as has been pointed out by others in detail. That's not the same as saying that every single set in there is highly useful.

regime211 wrote: »

RavenSworn wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

In PVE , you may see every raider almost run the same gears .

Tank - Ebon , Alkosh
Mag dps - Siroria , Mother's Sorrow
Stam dps - Relequen , Yokeda
Healer - Olorime

ZOS limited the player choices .

Theory crafting ? Take a look those youtubers or this forum active crafters , gears choices exactly the same !

Its not that the choices are limited, it's that most you tubers and a majority of the community wants to have the best gear possible. It's just human. You'd want the best stuff for yourself, and dealing great numbers with minimal effort required.

All content, even vet trials don't require maximum dps numbers. But if you want to finish it quick, skip mechanics and all that jazz, then yes higher numbers allow you to do that.

Most people mistake optimal with viable. Viable means as long as you can finish the content in reasonable time, you're good to go. I've done vet HM dungeons with 20k dps (with being 50% of the total dps even). That's the beauty of builds isn't it, there's always choices. Will there be a build that surpasses them all in terms of raw damage? Of course.

"ok guys, passing marks for this test is 75%."
"I've got 80%, that should be good."
"What?! Dude cmon, 98% is where it's at! Epic fails man."
"Seriously?"

Imagine a mechanic that has the boss reflect damage back to all players and have a unforgiving phase? That high dps won't save the group, it'll kill them. What if a mechanic require you to have self heals in addition to your healer? Perhaps a dungeon that requires you to have major expedition up at all times because of constant snares? So yeah, sets might be useless now... Might change tomorrow. /shrug

Sounds like you got carried in that HM dungeon, I find it really hard to believe with 20k dps, you didnt beat a HM dungeon without the other DPS having higher dps than you, or you had two other dps, if this was the case zos wouldn't make sets specifically for trials, if you could just use any said equipment, there is a reason why some trial sets come with bonuses that boost damage to enemies in trials.

When you're talking the easier base game dungeons, it's perfectly possible to do vet HM with the better dps being at 20k, it just takes longer. It doesn't mean that there isn't content where you need more.

kylewwefan · November 2018

Give you some more detailed feedback

1.)Affliction poop
2.)Arch Mage poop
3.)Armor Master used to use it.
4.)Baharaha’s Curse used to use it. Very difficult to find in heavy pieces.
5.)Bark Skin poop
6.)Buffer of the Swift poop
7.)Combat Physician I dont know?
8.)Crest of Cyrodiil I dont know?
9.)Crusader I dont know?
10.)Deadly Strike poop
11.)Defiler poop
12.)Destruction Mastery tried it....
13.)Draugr’s Rest poop
14.)Dreamers poop
15.)Dreugh King Slayer used for Stormproof Stamplar. Sure there’s better sets, but was good for a time.
16.)Embershield poop
17.)Essence Thief ....look good on paper. Hard to work
18.)Eternal Warrior tried it because gold jewelry...is poop
19.)Footman thaught it was good, but was told it was poop. Never went back
20.)Glorious Defender I dont know?
21.)Grace of the Ancients used it to Stormproof MagBlade it’s probably never gonna be a recommended set. Worked for me
22.)Hanu’s Compassion I dont know?
23.)Hatchlings Shell heard it has PvP uses
24.)Haven of Ursus Never bothered with it
25.)Healer’s Habit tried it. Better sets out there
26.)Hunt Leader tried it. Is poop
27.)Ice Furnace never bothered with this set
28.)Immortal Warrior weaker version of eternal warriors...poop
29.)Inventor’s Guard poop
30.)Invigoration wtf is this set?
31.)Jolting Arms not sure about this one.
32.)Juggernaut maybe was good back in the Vet 12 days. Not at vet 14 or Vet 16
33.)Knight Errant Mail maybe PvP use?
34.)Knightmare poop because it won’t do what you want it to do on the things needed to do it most on
35.)Light Speaker poop
36.)Lunar Bastion tried it. One of the best looking effects in the game imo
37.)Mad Tinkerer awesome effect for sonic the hedgehog fans
38.)Medusa poop. Tried it. Still poop
39.)Morihaus. Cool effect
40.)Netch Touch wtf is this doing on the list? Great set
41.)Nikulas’ Heavy Armor poop. Wanted to be good, but is poop.
42.)Noble Duelist poop. Even more poop for Dueling.
43.)Oblivion’s Edge tried it. Not bad. Not great. Hesitate to call it poop.
44.)Order of Diagna poop
45.)Orgnum’s Scales Health regen builds used to be a thing.
46.)Overwhelming Surge not bad. Cool effects
47.)Pelinal’s Aptitude for those still trying to hybrid....
48.)Prayer Shawl wth is this set? Sounds like poop. Leave it here
49.)Quick Serpent always meant to put this set together and try it out, but never got around to it.
50.)Ranger’s Gait poop
51.)Rattlecage not terrible. Easily outclassed by many other sets
52.)Red Mountain one time BiS for many, sidelined some time ago. Cool effects
53.)Robes of the Necromancer wtf is this?
54.)Scathing Mage wtf is wrong with you? Get this off the list at once.
55.)Sergeant’s Mail heard it was ok.
56.)Sentry poop
57.)Shalk Exoskleton not bad
58.)Spelunker poop
59.)Spider Cultist not bad at all
60.)Storm Knight poop
61.)Storm Master poop
62.)Stygian poop
63.)Svarra’s Scales poop
64.)Sword Dancer easily outclassed
65.)Sword Singer easily outclassed
66.)Syrabane’s Grip poop
67.)Toothrow poop
68.)Tormentor poop
69.)Treasure Hunter farmer gear
70.)Trinimac’s Valor used to be best set for pet Sorc. A long time ago. Now it’s not so great.
71.)Truth highly niche. Outclassed by better sets
72.)Twin Sisters poop
73.)Undaunted Bastion poop
74.)Undaunted Infiltrator poop
75.)Unfathomable Darkness not bad at all.
76.)Vampire Cloak poop
77.)Vampire Lord poop
78.)Vanguard poop
79.)Vanus poop
80.)Warlock poop
81.)Warrior Poet remove from this list immediately
82.)Way of Fire not bad
83.)Way of the Air not bad
84.)Wise Mage poop
85.)Witchman poor mans VO
86.)Withered Hand poop
87.)Wrath of the Imperium easily outclassed by other sets.
88.)Ysgramor’ssgramor’s Birthright Ice Mage niche

So, there’s a handful of sets that don’t deserve to be on this list, but most do.

Got to get real with what you’re gonna put together and use.

zaria · November 2018

phileunderx2 wrote: »

Stack of filled soul gems vendors for 6k. They pile up and are a decent source of gold.

They fill up anyway with the soul passives for me, just remember to have stacks of empty then doing dungeons.
Back at launch I remember having to use soul trap to fill gems for pvp but might not had the passives yet.
because of no level scaling you could not run all over the world farming skyshard.

Nemeliom · November 2018

El_Borracho wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

here is my personal list of scrap

Thank you for giving us a perfect example of why "Set xxx is utter trash and completely useless" posts are completely useless.

Just because someone can't figure out how to make a set work with a build doesn't mean that set is useless for everyone.

It really just means that person couldn't figure it out.

Thank you for pointing out my lack of insight in this area. To all, especially the OP who asked for others’ thoughts on this subject, I apologize for wasting your time with my replies. I should have known the only appropriate response to the OP’s query is “such threads are completely useless.”

In the future, please forward all questions on this topic to Sir Andy. I’m sure he has very detailed and proven builds using sets like Spelunker where he can bust out 45k DPS no problem.

Oh, and be sure to find out how he stores all of these sets he has figured out how to use effectively. Both are well beyond my intellect and I dare not embarrass myself further.

You rock 😎

Lord_Eomer · November 2018

Nemeliom wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

here is my personal list of scrap

Thank you for giving us a perfect example of why "Set xxx is utter trash and completely useless" posts are completely useless.

Just because someone can't figure out how to make a set work with a build doesn't mean that set is useless for everyone.

It really just means that person couldn't figure it out.

Thank you for pointing out my lack of insight in this area. To all, especially the OP who asked for others’ thoughts on this subject, I apologize for wasting your time with my replies. I should have known the only appropriate response to the OP’s query is “such threads are completely useless.”

In the future, please forward all questions on this topic to Sir Andy. I’m sure he has very detailed and proven builds using sets like Spelunker where he can bust out 45k DPS no problem.

Oh, and be sure to find out how he stores all of these sets he has figured out how to use effectively. Both are well beyond my intellect and I dare not embarrass myself further.

You rock 😎

lol

SirAndy · November 2018

regime211 wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

regime211 wrote: »

Lol THIS! Anyone saying they can affectively use a useless/nerf set to work is an outright lier.

Anyone who claims that each and every set on that list posted above is useless for everyone is an outright liar ...

Have you used every single set? If you believe they're all useful by all means make a video displaying each sets capabilities in all aspects of the game.

Except that was not my claim. WTB "Reading Comprehension" ...

El_Borracho · November 2018

To all who have replied to my list, and my follow-up venom, I'm glad to see the majority took my list for what its worth: its simply my 2 cents. I'm happy people disagree with some sets I put on there. Of course there are people who like sets I have on there. Not saying that its worthless (although some are) or that people who run these are bad players, dumb, etc. which again, most understood. Not everyone runs the same stuff. Its cool.

I love discussions about this. Variety is good in this game. I will definitely take a second look at some of the sets people have pointed out, thank you for that. But the fact remains, you have to store this stuff. And when it comes down to keeping something like Ebon Armory versus an experimental tanking set, choices have to be made. These are the choices I make. And the rub is, you can always go back and get stuff you scrapped if you want it again.

Psyonico · November 2018

So, trying things out...
Thinking about either hatchlings shell or knightmare for my Warden tank, any thoughts on which would be better?

Starlock · November 2018

Given folks have different gameplay priorities, there really aren't any "dead" sets.

Personally, the sets that are most "dead" to me are those that are content gated behind activities I don't do often enough to bother with trying to collect set pieces from it. Is it a trial set? Yup, it's dead for me. Is it from a dungeon? Yup, that's dead too.

Kadoin · November 2018

Eremith wrote: »

I'm not an expert, but I know a set which is absolutely useless and has an alternative which outperforms even on a paper.

Prayer's Shawl:

(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka

(3 tiems) Adds 129 Spell Damage

(4 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery

(5 items) When you heal a friendly target, you have a 6% chance to grant them a damage shield that absorbs 2340 damage for 6 seconds.

While Combat Physician does almost the same but a way more better:

(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka

(3 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical

(4 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical

(5 items) Critically Healing an ally grants them a 8195 Damage Shield for 8 seconds. This effect has a cooldown of 6 seconds.

Not only that, prayer seems to rarely ever work. It used to be useful when damage shield from sets still procced other sets like trinimac's valor. Now both the sets are junk

Mettaricana · November 2018

El_Borracho wrote: »

At the risk of inviting "you moron, that set is awesome" posts, here is my personal list of scrap. This is driven primarily by inventory control and lack of use. While some sets may be useful, I believe there is another set that outperforms it, that's why it made the list.

Affliction
Arch Mage
Armor Master
Baharaha’s Curse
Bark Skin
Buffer of the Swift
Combat Physician
Crest of Cyrodiil
Crusader
Deadly Strike
Defiler
Destruction Mastery
Draugr’s Rest
Dreamers
Dreugh King Slayer
Embershield
Essence Thief
Eternal Warrior
Footman
Glorious Defender
Grace of the Ancients
Hanu’s Compassion
Hatchlings Shell
Haven of Ursus
Healer’s Habit
Hunt Leader
Ice Furnace
Immortal Warrior
Inventor’s Guard
Invigoration
Jolting Arms
Juggernaut
Knight Errant Mail
Knightmare
Light Speaker
Lunar Bastion
Mad Tinkerer
Medusa
Morihaus
Netch Touch
Nikulas’ Heavy Armor
Noble Duelist
Oblivion’s Edge
Order of Diagna
Orgnum’s Scales
Overwhelming Surge
Pelinal’s Aptitude
Prayer Shawl
Quick Serpent
Ranger’s Gait
Rattlecage
Red Mountain
Robes of the Necromancer
Scathing Mage
Sergeant’s Mail
Sentry
Shalk Exoskleton
Spelunker
Spider Cultist
Storm Knight
Storm Master
Stygian
Svarra’s Scales
Sword Dancer
Sword Singer
Syrabane’s Grip
Toothrow
Tormentor
Treasure Hunter
Trinimac’s Valor
Truth
Twin Sisters
Undaunted Bastion
Undaunted Infiltrator
Unfathomable Darkness
Vampire Cloak
Vampire Lord
Vanguard
Vanus
Warlock
Warrior Poet
Way of Fire
Way of the Air
Wise Mage
Witchman
Withered Hand
Wrath of the Imperium
Ysgramor’s Birthright

Pretty accurate they need to cull these or turn them into different element variations of other sets we have

MaxJrFTW · November 2018

I don't think you know what dead means. A lot of those sets are good for niche builds, situationally good, or just straight up good.

Conan776 · November 2018

I use one of those "scrap" sets myself. But I ain't saying which one because I'm a jinx and then they might nerf it!

Ermiq · January 2019

The quoted post was made before Murkmire shields nerf, but I think this comparison still relevant:

Eremith wrote: »

Prayer's Shawl:

(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(3 tiems) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(4 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery

(5 items) When you heal a friendly target, you have a 6% chance to grant them a damage shield that absorbs 2340 damage for 6 seconds.

Combat Physician:

(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(3 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(4 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(5 items) Critically Healing an ally grants them a 8195 Damage Shield for 8 seconds. This effect has a cooldown of 6 seconds.

commdt · January 2019

Now can anybody put up a list of sets that were suggested useles and noone objected? That would be a primary target for ZOS to reconsider