Do you guys think!? [Dead Sets]

SirAndy

regime211 wrote: »

Lol THIS! Anyone saying they can affectively use a useless/nerf set to work is an outright lier.

Anyone who claims that each and every set on that list posted above is useless for everyone is an outright liar ...

sevomd69

Baharah's Curse is most definitely not useless...Also Scathing mage...and Dreugh King has its uses... and I use Oblivion's Edge when I farm overland...best way to fill up those empty soul gems...

ihazzit

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Bahraha’s Curse still has a place in self-sustain tanking and can singlehandedly replace a healer even on a vamp tank. It pairs very well with Argonian and spell pen too.

There are times I use this on my magsorc. It's a great set for VMA now for me.

LeHarrt91

I get the sets like Light speaker etc that add 400+ to that specific weapon and sets like that in ok with as they are. but there are sets that have been affected by balance changes and made them worse without being adjusted at all.

brandonv516

Yeah they really ruined Stygian. It was such a beautiful Magicka gank build set.

I decon Wizards Riposte now, that used to be a favorite.

D0PAMINE

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Bahraha’s Curse still has a place in self-sustain tanking and can singlehandedly replace a healer even on a vamp tank. It pairs very well with Argonian and spell pen too.

I love Barahas Curse on my NB take paired with Bloodthorns Touch.

D0PAMINE

Btw, Oblivions edge is great for filling soul gems, Oblivions foe isnt on your list tho, and that set is bad.

xeNNNNN

El_Borracho wrote: »

At the risk of inviting "you moron, that set is awesome" posts, here is my personal list of scrap. This is driven primarily by inventory control and lack of use. While some sets may be useful, I believe there is another set that outperforms it, that's why it made the list.

Affliction
Arch Mage
Armor Master
Baharaha’s Curse
Bark Skin
Buffer of the Swift
Combat Physician
Crest of Cyrodiil
Crusader
Deadly Strike
Defiler
Destruction Mastery
Draugr’s Rest
Dreamers
Dreugh King Slayer
Embershield
Essence Thief
Eternal Warrior
Footman
Glorious Defender
Grace of the Ancients
Hanu’s Compassion
Hatchlings Shell
Haven of Ursus
Healer’s Habit
Hunt Leader
Ice Furnace
Immortal Warrior
Inventor’s Guard
Invigoration
Jolting Arms
Juggernaut
Knight Errant Mail
Knightmare
Light Speaker
Lunar Bastion
Mad Tinkerer
Medusa
Morihaus
Netch Touch
Nikulas’ Heavy Armor
Noble Duelist
Oblivion’s Edge
Order of Diagna
Orgnum’s Scales
Overwhelming Surge
Pelinal’s Aptitude
Prayer Shawl
Quick Serpent
Ranger’s Gait
Rattlecage
Red Mountain
Robes of the Necromancer
Scathing Mage
Sergeant’s Mail
Sentry
Shalk Exoskleton
Spelunker
Spider Cultist
Storm Knight
Storm Master
Stygian
Svarra’s Scales
Sword Dancer
Sword Singer
Syrabane’s Grip
Toothrow
Tormentor
Treasure Hunter
Trinimac’s Valor
Truth
Twin Sisters
Undaunted Bastion
Undaunted Infiltrator
Unfathomable Darkness
Vampire Cloak
Vampire Lord
Vanguard
Vanus
Warlock
Warrior Poet
Way of Fire
Way of the Air
Wise Mage
Witchman
Withered Hand
Wrath of the Imperium
Ysgramor’s Birthright

Hey now...The morihaus trolling in PvP is hilarious and well worth using if you're bored and in need of a good laugh. Its rather amusing rolling through zergs.

zaria

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

regime211 wrote: »

Some sets have become completely useless? I wanted to make this thread to throw down sets you believe have always been useless, and or useless after a nerf?

Ever since launch there were only really 2 or 3 useable sets. The above list is why people have storage problems. They keep them all thinking they will be meta one day and they just wont be.

List is longer then you take all the playstyles: tanks, healers and pvp also how hard sets are to get.
Still its a long list even if you include specialized sets

Everstorm

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Bahraha’s Curse still has a place in self-sustain tanking and can singlehandedly replace a healer even on a vamp tank. It pairs very well with Argonian and spell pen too.

Bahraha's is my go to set for when I want to solo more challenging stuff. And if you take a look at the prices for it on the traders you'll realise it's quite popular.

OrdoHermetica

SirAndy wrote: »

regime211 wrote: »

Lol THIS! Anyone saying they can affectively use a useless/nerf set to work is an outright lier.

Anyone who claims that each and every set on that list posted above is useless for everyone is an outright liar ...

I also suspect that the poster of said list only does PvE, as some of those sets are go-to PvP sets. Though yeah, there are a few meta or off-meta PvE sets in that list as well.

But they did get most of the useless ones, too, so there's that.

ccfeeling

In PVE , you may see every raider almost run the same gears .

Tank - Ebon , Alkosh
Mag dps - Siroria , Mother's Sorrow
Stam dps - Relequen , Yokeda
Healer - Olorime

ZOS limited the player choices .

Theory crafting ? Take a look those youtubers or this forum active crafters , gears choices exactly the same !

RavenSworn

ccfeeling wrote: »

In PVE , you may see every raider almost run the same gears .

Tank - Ebon , Alkosh
Mag dps - Siroria , Mother's Sorrow
Stam dps - Relequen , Yokeda
Healer - Olorime

ZOS limited the player choices .

Theory crafting ? Take a look those youtubers or this forum active crafters , gears choices exactly the same !

Its not that the choices are limited, it's that most you tubers and a majority of the community wants to have the best gear possible. It's just human. You'd want the best stuff for yourself, and dealing great numbers with minimal effort required.

All content, even vet trials don't require maximum dps numbers. But if you want to finish it quick, skip mechanics and all that jazz, then yes higher numbers allow you to do that.

Most people mistake optimal with viable. Viable means as long as you can finish the content in reasonable time, you're good to go. I've done vet HM dungeons with 20k dps (with being 50% of the total dps even). That's the beauty of builds isn't it, there's always choices. Will there be a build that surpasses them all in terms of raw damage? Of course.

"ok guys, passing marks for this test is 75%."
"I've got 80%, that should be good."
"What?! Dude cmon, 98% is where it's at! Epic fails man."
"Seriously?"

Imagine a mechanic that has the boss reflect damage back to all players and have a unforgiving phase? That high dps won't save the group, it'll kill them. What if a mechanic require you to have self heals in addition to your healer? Perhaps a dungeon that requires you to have major expedition up at all times because of constant snares? So yeah, sets might be useless now... Might change tomorrow. /shrug

zaria

RavenSworn wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

In PVE , you may see every raider almost run the same gears .

Tank - Ebon , Alkosh
Mag dps - Siroria , Mother's Sorrow
Stam dps - Relequen , Yokeda
Healer - Olorime

ZOS limited the player choices .

Theory crafting ? Take a look those youtubers or this forum active crafters , gears choices exactly the same !

Its not that the choices are limited, it's that most you tubers and a majority of the community wants to have the best gear possible. It's just human. You'd want the best stuff for yourself, and dealing great numbers with minimal effort required.

All content, even vet trials don't require maximum dps numbers. But if you want to finish it quick, skip mechanics and all that jazz, then yes higher numbers allow you to do that.

Most people mistake optimal with viable. Viable means as long as you can finish the content in reasonable time, you're good to go. I've done vet HM dungeons with 20k dps (with being 50% of the total dps even). That's the beauty of builds isn't it, there's always choices. Will there be a build that surpasses them all in terms of raw damage? Of course.

"ok guys, passing marks for this test is 75%."
"I've got 80%, that should be good."
"What?! Dude cmon, 98% is where it's at! Epic fails man."
"Seriously?"

Imagine a mechanic that has the boss reflect damage back to all players and have a unforgiving phase? That high dps won't save the group, it'll kill them. What if a mechanic require you to have self heals in addition to your healer? Perhaps a dungeon that requires you to have major expedition up at all times because of constant snares? So yeah, sets might be useless now... Might change tomorrow. /shrug

This is true, now its another factor, how hard is the set to use, do you need to keep track on proc like on Mechanical Acuity?
On the other hand if your dps is low you will benefit from an proc set rater than one who do an flat damage bonus.

Aluneth

I've used Knight Errant and in my experience, it's great for solo play. I love Shalk Exoskeleton, and I'm using it on my tank sorcerer at the moment.

idk

regime211 wrote: »

Some sets have become completely useless?

I think there are few, if any, sets that are completely useless. Useless is pretty absolute.

There are many that are less useful that others but that does not make them useless. With as many sets as ESO has and with as many that are added every year it is clear we will have a lot of sets that are no were near as useful as other sets and it will always be that way.

Gargath

Ysgramor’s Birthright - great for Mag Frost Warden, paired with Necropotence.
Netch's Touch - great for Mag Sorc, paired with Necropotence.

You know nothing OP .

Aluneth

There is more to the game than just trials.

PvP
Dungeons
Veteran Dungeons
Solo
etc...

Just because a set doesn't fit the main meta when it comes to DPS or trials, doesn't mean it's useless.

DoonerSeraph

Personally, I think a bunch of sets can get some nice adjustments to make them useful in more situations or not completely outclassed by other sets.

2 examples: Sword Singer and Sword Dancer are completely outclassed by Automaton, the only skill it doesnt affect is Momentum AFAIK.

So a little extra bonus aside from more weapon damage could be added to compensate for using such a specialized set. Cost reduction to relevant skills (Sword Singer) and adding x seconds to the duration of skills (Sword Dancer, buffing Twin Slashes, and the very potent Lacerate ult) are buffs that keep the identity of the set and make them interesting.

Just my 2 septims tho

kylewwefan

So much this.

Aluneth wrote: »

There is more to the game than just trials.

PvP
Dungeons
Veteran Dungeons
Solo
etc...

Just because a set doesn't fit the main meta when it comes to DPS or trials, doesn't mean it's useless.

You will find niche sets good at some things. PvP uses are endless. Many trials builds are not quite as good in 4 man stuff. Overland, anything goes sometimes.

Brotherhood and thieves guild stuff may need a different kind of setup.

I would have to agree though, there are some that are mostly poo easily outperformed by any other set.

On the road to Stormproofing all my toons, I’ve used some of “The List” sets. It wasn’t pretty. I wasn’t breaking any records or anything. But they were most helpful at the time while I got more comfortable and better with them.

pod88kk

pauli133 wrote: »

Do you guys think!?

Not if I can avoid it.

Wait what?

RavenSworn

Aluneth wrote: »

There is more to the game than just trials.

PvP
Dungeons
Veteran Dungeons
Solo
etc...

Just because a set doesn't fit the main meta when it comes to DPS or trials, doesn't mean it's useless.

Absolutely right on the spot.

tunepunk

Agree with @Aluneth

I often play around with odd set combinations together with skills, just for fun.

One example I'm going to try in BG's when I collected the pieces i need is.

Curse of DolyMesh:
(5 items) When you hit a taunted monster with a fully-charged Heavy Attack or any enemy that is stunned or immobilized with a fully-charged Heavy Attack, you deal an additional 12040 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 7 seconds.

combined with:
Inner Beast Which is a ranged Taunt. and throw some Ranged Bow Heavy's...

Not sure how effective it is, but sure gonna be fun to try...


Another fun combo I'm going to try in BG's as well for a Hybrid Trapper.
Swarm Mother + Eternal Hunt + other trap like skills.

1, Drop some daedric mines &, Volcanic Rune.
2. Roll dodge out of your circle to place yet another trap.
3. Block and pull With Swarm mother, or with Silver Leach.

I think this game has a lot of fun sets. That might not be that strong in PvE but can be really fun in PvP.

RavenSworn

tunepunk wrote: »

Agree with @Aluneth

I often play around with odd set combinations together with skills, just for fun.

One example I'm going to try in BG's when I collected the pieces i need is.

Curse of DolyMesh:
(5 items) When you hit a taunted monster with a fully-charged Heavy Attack or any enemy that is stunned or immobilized with a fully-charged Heavy Attack, you deal an additional 12040 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 7 seconds.

combined with:
Inner Beast Which is a ranged Taunt. and throw some Ranged Bow Heavy's...

Not sure how effective it is, but sure gonna be fun to try...


Another fun combo I'm going to try in BG's as well for a Hybrid Trapper.
Swarm Mother + Eternal Hunt + other trap like skills.

1, Drop some daedric mines &, Volcanic Rune.
2. Roll dodge out of your circle to place yet another trap.
3. Block and pull With Swarm mother, or with Silver Leach.

I think this game has a lot of fun sets. That might not be that strong in PvE but can be really fun in PvP.

Proximity det

I'm curious... Does Doylemish set work with tormentor? Also with tremorscale? Always wondered about that combo...

Mavor

Bahara's is a great set for soloing and tanking, shouldn't be in the list. Maybe not for trials or pvp, but not everything needs to be measured by those metrics.

Datolite

Is it just me or does Knightmare sound pretty badass on paper? What's preventing it from being a good PvP option?

Datolite

brandonv516 wrote: »

Yeah they really ruined Stygian. It was such a beautiful Magicka gank build set.

I decon Wizards Riposte now, that used to be a favorite.

Riposte is still good in 1v1 or BGs. Decent uptime, not as overtuned as before but worth a slot.

Kadoin

regime211 wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

El_Borracho wrote: »

here is my personal list of scrap

Thank you for giving us a perfect example of why "Set xxx is utter trash and completely useless" posts are completely useless.

Just because someone can't figure out how to make a set work with a build doesn't mean that set is useless for everyone.

It really just means that person couldn't figure it out.

Thank you for pointing out my lack of insight in this area. To all, especially the OP who asked for others’ thoughts on this subject, I apologize for wasting your time with my replies. I should have known the only appropriate response to the OP’s query is “such threads are completely useless.”

In the future, please forward all questions on this topic to Sir Andy. I’m sure he has very detailed and proven builds using sets like Spelunker where he can bust out 45k DPS no problem.

Oh, and be sure to find out how he stores all of these sets he has figured out how to use effectively. Both are well beyond my intellect and I dare not embarrass myself further.

Lol THIS! Anyone saying they can affectively use a useless/nerf set to work is an outright lier.

Most of those sets are not useless though...

richo262

I'd prefer ZOS to cull 1/3 of the sets. Using the craftables as the 'loss'.

The base game has the starting sets in triplicate, so remove 2 from every zone. Not required since T1.
DLC's and Chapters generally have 3 sets. Make it two. I'd much rather 2 sets of quality that I may use, than 2 I may 1 I would never.

Use the data gathered on their end to figure out what sets simply get no or very limited real usage (writs excluded). The sets we wouldn't even notice missing.

If there is a set found that gets 'moderate' usage, have that drop instead of a dungeon set that gets no usage.

So essentially all dungeons still get their light / med / heavy. What we lose is crafting stations that never get used.

The real estate left behind could be useful for future content, ie The Seducer in Deshaan (Which there are 2 other stations in the worldspace in other alliances, there only needs to be 1 since T1 came out) is found in a cave in the North that is just asking to be retrofitted into a DLC Dungeon.

Datolite

No, they can't just remove sets. Would cause a riot. I like their most recent approach during the summer, where they reimagined a bunch of the pvp sets.