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Do you guys think!? [Dead Sets]
regime211
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Some sets have become completely useless? I wanted to make this thread fo the community tothrow down sets you believe have always been useless, and or useless after a nerf?
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✭✭At the risk of inviting "you moron, that set is awesome" posts, here is my personal list of scrap. This is driven primarily by inventory control and lack of use. While some sets may be useful, I believe there is another set that outperforms it, that's why it made the list.
Affliction
Arch Mage
Armor Master
Baharaha’s Curse
Bark Skin
Buffer of the Swift
Combat Physician
Crest of Cyrodiil
Crusader
Deadly Strike
Defiler
Destruction Mastery
Draugr’s Rest
Dreamers
Dreugh King Slayer
Embershield
Essence Thief
Eternal Warrior
Footman
Glorious Defender
Grace of the Ancients
Hanu’s Compassion
Hatchlings Shell
Haven of Ursus
Healer’s Habit
Hunt Leader
Ice Furnace
Immortal Warrior
Inventor’s Guard
Invigoration
Jolting Arms
Juggernaut
Knight Errant Mail
Knightmare
Light Speaker
Lunar Bastion
Mad Tinkerer
Medusa
Morihaus
Netch Touch
Nikulas’ Heavy Armor
Noble Duelist
Oblivion’s Edge
Order of Diagna
Orgnum’s Scales
Overwhelming Surge
Pelinal’s Aptitude
Prayer Shawl
Quick Serpent
Ranger’s Gait
Rattlecage
Red Mountain
Robes of the Necromancer
Scathing Mage
Sergeant’s Mail
Sentry
Shalk Exoskleton
Spelunker
Spider Cultist
Storm Knight
Storm Master
Stygian
Svarra’s Scales
Sword Dancer
Sword Singer
Syrabane’s Grip
Toothrow
Tormentor
Treasure Hunter
Trinimac’s Valor
Truth
Twin Sisters
Undaunted Bastion
Undaunted Infiltrator
Unfathomable Darkness
Vampire Cloak
Vampire Lord
Vanguard
Vanus
Warlock
Warrior Poet
Way of Fire
Way of the Air
Wise Mage
Witchman
Withered Hand
Wrath of the Imperium
Ysgramor’s Birthright
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✭✭Some sets have become completely useless? I wanted to make this thread to throw down sets you believe have always been useless, and or useless after a nerf?
Ever since launch there were only really 2 or 3 useable sets. The above list is why people have storage problems. They keep them all thinking they will be meta one day and they just wont be.3 -
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✭✭@DMuehlhausen My exact feelings. I play on PS4 so that's why I keep a running list. No add-ons on console. Its so easy to accumulate stuff thinking "one day, this will be great" when it will never be great. Other stuff looks awesome on paper (like Essence Thief), but after researching it, its just not.
The reality is that if any of this becomes meta, you can always go back and farm it. No need to clutter your inventory with it, just in case.3 -
Tannus15✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Tava's the most obviously useless set after this update. Needs a complete rework now.
Off the top of my head: crusader, dune ripper, oblivion's foe, barkskin, spelunker, light speaker, hircine visage, warlock, magicka furnace, undaunted unweaver, jolting arms, storm master, medusa, noble duelest, immortal yokeda, automated defense, galenwe, spider cult
More. There are so many bad / dead sets now.5 -
regime211✭✭✭✭✭
✭El_Borracho wrote: »@DMuehlhausen My exact feelings. I play on PS4 so that's why I keep a running list. No add-ons on console. Its so easy to accumulate stuff thinking "one day, this will be great" when it will never be great. Other stuff looks awesome on paper (like Essence Thief), but after researching it, its just not.
The reality is that if any of this becomes meta, you can always go back and farm it. No need to clutter your inventory with it, just in case.
I thought I was the ONLY one thinking that one day zos may go back and look at old sets abs actually make some predefined changes to then, even if they have recieve a nerf, I believe zos nerfs certain sets to the point they become useless, and if that's the case I know it's more work on them but they should just replace those sets or take them completely out of the game.1 -
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✭✭✭✭@El_Borracho I think the only set in your list I personally disagree with is Knight-Errant mail.
That's an awesome set for tanking pugs. It heals and increases the tanks damage. My sorc tank gets almost 20k dps which at times is more than 50% of a pug's group dps.
I would be bad if you only run with good players though.3 -
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✭✭@El_Borracho I think the only set in your list I personally disagree with is Knight-Errant mail.
That's an awesome set for tanking pugs. It heals and increases the tanks damage. My sorc tank gets almost 20k dps which at times is more than 50% of a pug's group dps.
I would be bad if you only run with good players though.
I'll keep that in mind. I put a question thread about that set on the PVP boards today. Consensus for PVP is that it is outclassed by 7th Legion. Haven't seen anyone sing its praises for PVE. Thanks for the input.0 -
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Thank you for giving us a perfect example of why "Set xxx is utter trash and completely useless" posts are completely useless.El_Borracho wrote: »here is my personal list of scrap
Just because someone can't figure out how to make a set work with a build doesn't mean that set is useless for everyone.
It really just means that person couldn't figure it out.
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Thank you for giving us a perfect example of why "Set xxx is utter trash and completely useless" posts are completely useless.El_Borracho wrote: »here is my personal list of scrap
Just because someone can't figure out how to make a set work with a build doesn't mean that set is useless for everyone.
It really just means that person couldn't figure it out.
Thank you for pointing out my lack of insight in this area. To all, especially the OP who asked for others’ thoughts on this subject, I apologize for wasting your time with my replies. I should have known the only appropriate response to the OP’s query is “such threads are completely useless.”
In the future, please forward all questions on this topic to Sir Andy. I’m sure he has very detailed and proven builds using sets like Spelunker where he can bust out 45k DPS no problem.
Oh, and be sure to find out how he stores all of these sets he has figured out how to use effectively. Both are well beyond my intellect and I dare not embarrass myself further.Edited by El_Borracho on October 31, 2018 11:45PM49 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Given how many sets are in the game, it's not possible to keep them all up to date with every patch. Think of it like a Trading Card Game once a new expansion pack comes out, the older packs eventually get phased out, you can still collect them but to stay on top you have to collect the new stuff.0 -
Gatviper✭✭✭✭Too many sets, too little use. Some forgotten and ignored sets can actually make some good builds, but most of those I find, are either not fitting to my personal build, or are not good enough to think twice but deconstruct.Life is a ride, like days in a train, cities rush by, like ghosts in the night.
The rhythm of wheels, time fades away, stations of a journey, destination unknown.2 -
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✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »At the risk of inviting "you moron, that set is awesome" posts, here is my personal list of scrap. This is driven primarily by inventory control and lack of use. While some sets may be useful, I believe there is another set that outperforms it, that's why it made the list.
Affliction
Arch Mage
Armor Master
Baharaha’s Curse
Bark Skin
Buffer of the Swift
Combat Physician
Crest of Cyrodiil
Crusader
Deadly Strike
Defiler
Destruction Mastery
Draugr’s Rest
Dreamers
Dreugh King Slayer
Embershield
Essence Thief
Eternal Warrior
Footman
Glorious Defender
Grace of the Ancients
Hanu’s Compassion
Hatchlings Shell
Haven of Ursus
Healer’s Habit
Hunt Leader
Ice Furnace
Immortal Warrior
Inventor’s Guard
Invigoration
Jolting Arms
Juggernaut
Knight Errant Mail
Knightmare
Light Speaker
Lunar Bastion
Mad Tinkerer
Medusa
Morihaus
Netch Touch
Nikulas’ Heavy Armor
Noble Duelist
Oblivion’s Edge
Order of Diagna
Orgnum’s Scales
Overwhelming Surge
Pelinal’s Aptitude
Prayer Shawl
Quick Serpent
Ranger’s Gait
Rattlecage
Red Mountain
Robes of the Necromancer
Scathing Mage
Sergeant’s Mail
Sentry
Shalk Exoskleton
Spelunker
Spider Cultist
Storm Knight
Storm Master
Stygian
Svarra’s Scales
Sword Dancer
Sword Singer
Syrabane’s Grip
Toothrow
Tormentor
Treasure Hunter
Trinimac’s Valor
Truth
Twin Sisters
Undaunted Bastion
Undaunted Infiltrator
Unfathomable Darkness
Vampire Cloak
Vampire Lord
Vanguard
Vanus
Warlock
Warrior Poet
Way of Fire
Way of the Air
Wise Mage
Witchman
Withered Hand
Wrath of the Imperium
Ysgramor’s Birthright
There are quite a few that are very useful in that list. Especially, in the right hands on the right builds. The less theory crafting you do yourself or with your friends that you play with will create less diversity for you to have with sets to be useful. Every new dlc or chapter dropped introduces new sets and by the nerfs or buffs, the fotm sets that people gather to always. I do feel the problem is not just with Zos, as many inexperienced players cry for nerfs right away, ruining even new sets because they are lazy and have 1 main and do not wish to learn the proper counters. Though on the other hand, Zos has no real reason to do anything, as their attitude of late seems to be aimed at getting new players while not really caring much anymore for the loyal playerbase that has stayed around much like some of the deadsets.
But it is good to keep a personal list for your builds and the ones you are testing, while theory crafting.
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✭✭Bahraha’s Curse still has a place in self-sustain tanking and can singlehandedly replace a healer even on a vamp tank. It pairs very well with Argonian and spell pen too.Edited by Peekachu99 on October 31, 2018 11:48PM6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »
Thank you for giving us a perfect example of why "Set xxx is utter trash and completely useless" posts are completely useless.El_Borracho wrote: »here is my personal list of scrap
Just because someone can't figure out how to make a set work with a build doesn't mean that set is useless for everyone.
It really just means that person couldn't figure it out.
Thank you for pointing out my lack of insight in this area. To all, especially the OP who asked for others’ thoughts on this subject, I apologize for wasting your time with my replies. I should have known the only appropriate response to the OP’s query is “such threads are completely useless.”
In the future, please forward all questions on this topic to Sir Andy. I’m sure he has very detailed and proven builds using sets like Spelunker where he can bust out 45k DPS no problem.
Oh, and be sure to find out how he stores all of these sets he has figured out how to use effectively. Both are well beyond my intellect and I dare not embarrass myself further.
Edited by geonsocal on October 31, 2018 11:56PMPVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »In the future, please forward all questions on this topic to Sir Andy. I’m sure he has very detailed and proven builds using sets like Spelunker where he can bust out 45k DPS no problem.
My pet Sorc can do 40k+ skeleton parses with 5x Netch's Touch and 5x Spider Cultist, but yeah, all trash ...
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✭I’m 100% ok with sets being niche, they all just can’t overpower the previous in raw dmg. I ran red mountain and way of fire on my stamdk. As it procs off of weapon dmg this has to be the source of your dmg. I kept up blade cloak, render, and rapid strikes. Constant uptick, and being fire dmg hits vamps hard. Air can also be paired with sanche and you can easily pull 4K dmg. So niche is fun and allows experimenting.
The problem is that some sets are utter trash and even fail in niche situations. Take briaheart and spriggans compared to flanking. You have a better chance of building into crits then the 340 dmg when stabbing someone in the back. How about juggernaut, 1 min downtime for a heal....
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✭✭@El_Borracho I liked Rattlecage on a mDK with Flames of Oblivion slotted on a PvP build a while back.0 -
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✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »In the future, please forward all questions on this topic to Sir Andy. I’m sure he has very detailed and proven builds using sets like Spelunker where he can bust out 45k DPS no problem.
My pet Sorc can do 40k+ skeleton parses with 5x Netch's Touch and 5x Spider Cultist, but yeah, all trash ...
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✭@dopamine me too! I haven’t been on my Magda for awhile though. Rattle, bsw, skoria. Having that one extra slot was nice1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭the drunk said it was their list...
I've used, and, still would use (depending on the situation), a bunch of those sets on their list...
for them though they're useless...can't argue with that...
if you're a decent player and understand theory crafting (combining different build elements), you can make just about anything work...PVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place3 -
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✭✭✭Sithis is far and away the most useless set in existence and I dare someone to argue otherwise. I need a "volunteer" to practice my knife throwing.aww man I thought that Destruction Mastery was one of the good ones.
I don't really count Destruction Mastery as a bad set per say. It's just that Necropotence sort of power creeped it.Edited by Silver_Strider on November 1, 2018 1:14AMArgonian forever1 -
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Thank you for giving us a perfect example of why "Set xxx is utter trash and completely useless" posts are completely useless.El_Borracho wrote: »here is my personal list of scrap
Just because someone can't figure out how to make a set work with a build doesn't mean that set is useless for everyone.
It really just means that person couldn't figure it out.
I hope you know this was a general, I'm known for turning a useless set into something, however some sets you just cant do it with.0 -
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✭El_Borracho wrote: »
Thank you for giving us a perfect example of why "Set xxx is utter trash and completely useless" posts are completely useless.El_Borracho wrote: »here is my personal list of scrap
Just because someone can't figure out how to make a set work with a build doesn't mean that set is useless for everyone.
It really just means that person couldn't figure it out.
Thank you for pointing out my lack of insight in this area. To all, especially the OP who asked for others’ thoughts on this subject, I apologize for wasting your time with my replies. I should have known the only appropriate response to the OP’s query is “such threads are completely useless.”
In the future, please forward all questions on this topic to Sir Andy. I’m sure he has very detailed and proven builds using sets like Spelunker where he can bust out 45k DPS no problem.
Oh, and be sure to find out how he stores all of these sets he has figured out how to use effectively. Both are well beyond my intellect and I dare not embarrass myself further.
Lol THIS! Anyone saying they can affectively use a useless/nerf set to work is an outright lier.Edited by regime211 on November 1, 2018 2:47AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Buff Trinimacs Valor! I’d love if this set was more utility and less novelty.Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!1 -
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✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Buff Trinimacs Valor! I’d love if this set was more utility and less novelty.
I used to hide, and proc that set on random players to see their reaction lol0
