Argonian females have breasts???

Trappeur · October 2018

I have been playing ESO for quite a while (from day one, actually!) and I have just noticed something: female Argonians have breasts! Natural evolution would never allow that, unless Argonians have mutated from amphibians to mammals!

What are your thoughts on that?

Shadd-oh, aka Thumperhead, aka Kresnick-the-elder

Rake · October 2018

tiddies

Elsonso · October 2018

My theory is that they are not actually breasts, in the mammalian sense. However, none of the females seem willing to let me investigate more closely. Maybe I am wrong.

Itacira · October 2018

My thoughts : fantasy is still way too constricted by real life gender roles and the pressure of gender conformity

red_emu · October 2018

They do lay eggs, that we know. But maybe after the lizard baby hatches, the mother breast feeds? It's not very common, but we do have at least two examples of that happening IRL?

Shezzarrine · October 2018

Well the thing is natural evolution didn't create the Argonians, the Hist did.

TheYKcid · October 2018

My favourite theory from another thread:

BigBragg wrote: »

GimpyPorcupine wrote: »

Still can't figure out why the "females" have mammaries...

This is also something that has bothered and baffled me for the longest time. Only thing I can think of is the hist gave them boobs to help increase the success rate of finding gainful employment as maids.

TheShadowScout · October 2018

Maybe Argonian maids are actually hist booby-traps?

More seriously tho, I always assumed they have those deligfhtful chest bumps because the hist created them after the template of the other sentient races that were around in eras long past, and thus included things that may not be of any use to lizards, simply because the races they uplifted those lizards to match had them...

Numerikuu · October 2018

I miss TES3's Argonians... I also wish there was a negative side to the boob slider so I could create a female Argonian with a flat chest--especially with the new lore Murkmire added. Makes even less sense for them to have tiddies lol.

Ranger209 · October 2018

Anthropomorphised ones do, yes.

yodased · October 2018

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20151016-five-animals-you-never-knew-make-milk-for-their-babies

Nature is a complex mother. Argonians are more amphibious in nature than reptile, as they can exist in freezing temperatures without having a heat lamp for a hat.

Beyond that, you are bringing real world physiology to a video game, which unless some kind of teaching tool, is invariably going to cause issues.

We can shoot fireballs out of our hands, there are bipedal cats and "lizards", we store thousands of kilograms of weight in a very small bag.

This game would be very, very boring if we started to apply real world constraints for it.

Would you ever pvp if you had one life? Hell no, you would barely leave town.

One of those things that you have to seperate yourself from reality to accept things as they are presented

Trappeur · October 2018

Shezzarrine wrote: »

Well the thing is natural evolution didn't create the Argonians, the Hist did.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Maybe Argonian maids are actually hist booby-traps?

More seriously tho, I always assumed they have those deligfhtful chest bumps because the hist created them after the template of the other sentient races that were around in eras long past, and thus included things that may not be of any use to lizards, simply because the races they uplifted those lizards to match had them...

Itacira wrote: »

My thoughts : fantasy is still way too constricted by real life gender roles and the pressure of gender conformity

Creatively, it sounds good, and ties in well with TheShadowScout thoughts and those of BigBragg, as referenced by The YKcid.

However, I am inclined to agree more with Itacira; the developers still maintain a visual male-female difference, regardless of race.

Cheers, all.

Shadd-oh, aka etc, etc, etc!

Myyth · October 2018

lordrichter wrote: »

My theory is that they are not actually breasts, in the mammalian sense. However, none of the females seem willing to let me investigate more closely. Maybe I am wrong.

if you are ever successful at investigating more closely, let us know if they are smooth or have....you know

prof-dracko · October 2018

I'm in agreement with the theory that the Hist simply made them like that to adapt to living with Men/Mer. Functionally useless, but it help other races tell them apart and makes the Argonians look less animalistic.

Fermian · October 2018

This is why i dont like argonians. Not because of the breasts, but because they are humans with tails. Just give em a more beast like body.

anitajoneb17_ESO · October 2018

This topic came up pretty often in TES3 and TES5 discussions. As far as we know from devs' talk, they're pretty happy to keep argonians as egg-layers with breasts. For mystery, for further TES intrigues, for the sake of "typical Elder Scrolls weirdness" or simply as neverending forum discussion topic.

Kiralyn2000 · October 2018

Trappeur wrote: »

However, I am inclined to agree more with Itacira; the developers still maintain a visual male-female difference, regardless of race.

This. The game is made by humans, for humans. The artists will use standard human pattern-recognition cues to keep things easily recognizable.

I.e, "female" things will have standard human "female" traits, to make them easier to recognize as "female" for human players with human brains. Even if they're lizards, or cats, or whatever.

(also part of the explanation for "boob plate" armor, even as the 'realism' crowd cries about the bad physics of it. While ignoring the bad physics of people wearing fur or metal armor not having severe issues with being covered in hot flames. Or the bad physics of human-sized things being struck with giant clubs or other things that would impart so much force that armor would be meaningless.)

notimetocare · October 2018

At work, so I dont have the time to find it, but there are times where Argonians have had live births. They are a highly adaptable race

Aeslief · October 2018

That always bothered me too, just like ‘female’ Transformers always had boobs to...nurse their robot young?

To deal with it I personally made my Argonian female as flat as possible. I tend to agree with those who view it as human-centric interpretation to make them more relatable/recognizable to other humans.

fierackas · October 2018

They are not breasts, they are love pillows

Thogard · October 2018

Even crazier, they can also talk.

And the strangest thing of all is that some of them use magic.

And also this is a video game.

emilyhyoyeon · October 2018

Argonians aren't lizards, they're a fantasy race in TES called argonians that look like lizards. Imo it's not weird in that case that they have breasts like the other basic races

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · October 2018

Trappeur wrote: »

I have been playing ESO for quite a while (from day one, actually!) and I have just noticed something: female Argonians have breasts! Natural evolution would never allow that, unless Argonians have mutated from amphibians to mammals!

What are your thoughts on that?

Shadd-oh, aka Thumperhead, aka Kresnick-the-elder

No mutation Argonians can lay eggs or give love birth when in Black Marsh this is not a problem but when outside of Black the baby needs to find a source Hist sap. All Argonians need it at birth and those that don’t go crazy or die.

While mammalian breast create milk for their offspring, Argonian female consume excess Hist sap can store it for their offspring. If the female is outside of Black Marsh with no Hist Tree she will live birth and let the baby lick the sap (Argonian mounts can’t suck like suck). If inside Black Marsh or near a Hist Tree they will lay eggs in a pool of Hist sap for the egg to absorb.

Female Argonian have to be ready for both so they store up extra when they can.

ShionRasenka · October 2018

I follow a youtube theorist named Lockstin, and he made two theory videos on why the Argonians and Khajiit have breasts. Here they are!

Why Do Argonians Have Breasts?

Why Do Khajiit Have Breasts?

He also made theory videos for the Zora and Inklings/Octolings on the same subject if anyone is a fan of the Zelda and Splatoon franchises. Enjoy!

TheShadowScout · October 2018

Trappeur wrote: »

Shezzarrine wrote: »

Well the thing is natural evolution didn't create the Argonians, the Hist did.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Maybe Argonian maids are actually hist booby-traps?

More seriously tho, I always assumed they have those deligfhtful chest bumps because the hist created them after the template of the other sentient races that were around in eras long past, and thus included things that may not be of any use to lizards, simply because the races they uplifted those lizards to match had them...

Itacira wrote: »

My thoughts : fantasy is still way too constricted by real life gender roles and the pressure of gender conformity

Creatively, it sounds good, and ties in well with TheShadowScout thoughts and those of BigBragg, as referenced by The YKcid.

However, I am inclined to agree more with Itacira; the developers still maintain a visual male-female difference, regardless of race...

Well, yeah.
Duh.
That is the "out of character" reason.
Same reason why Khajiit females only have two breasts when a case could be made for more considering other felines, yes?
Though I am certain there is a huge pile of "resource management" in there was well, namely... not wanting to make different character body mesh models for lizards and kitties. So they use the "standard" one, and that comes with boobies for the girls.

Aeslief wrote: »

That always bothered me too, just like ‘female’ Transformers always had boobs to...nurse their robot young?

Hey, that one's a classic!

But yeah, this brings us back to the RL gender characteristics stating "female haz boobies!" and designers using the "chest bumbs" shtick to identify anything from robots to aliens to lizards as "female" to the audience. (often with additions of skirts and the color pink... to complete the cliché)

Beruge · October 2018

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/292615/female-argonian-boobs#latest

Alinhbo_Tyaka · October 2018

Human species bias. The same problem that affects sci fi movies and alien abductors. It seems human bipedal, upright posture is just about the only form intelligent life can take. I'm not sure nature would agree but content producers sure seem to.

phaneub17_ESO · October 2018

Buoyancy support while swimming? It would be in the perfect location to keep their upper body afloat if they were carrying an egg before laying it.

Knootewoot · October 2018

In Morrowind, the female Argonians had no breasts or other “human” ways of determining sex. The females had more feminine decoration, small horns or light jewelry. So the face was detailed and easily showed sex.

It was not until Oblivion until the beast races walked like normal humans instead of on their toes like in Morrowind and they got human like physique. Probably due to budgetary reasons and they skipped the difference in skeletal en movement properties.

oxygen_thief · October 2018

i think someone was too greedy or too lazy to create a new model type

TheShadowScout · October 2018

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

Human species bias. The same problem that affects sci fi movies and alien abductors. It seems human bipedal, upright posture is just about the only form intelligent life can take. I'm not sure nature would agree but content producers sure seem to.

Some. Some content producers.

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But yeah, in general its... forehead bumps. More likely a question of the makeup budget then the creators creativity...