Anyone using the new arctic blast?

Ihonu · October 2018

The new skill sucks. Can't cast it without a target, so no healing during some boss phases or after Combat. Also sometimes you need a stun and no heal and vice versa and with this you can only do both and it's not a cheap spell… Who for the love of God wanted this Change,???? It was the best skill for a healthden dungeon tank... This is a real bad skill now, outright useless. I want the old Arctic blast back!!!

Mojomonkeyman · October 2018

It's really bad, I tried to like it but it's just the worst combination of attributes possible:

- slow projectile
- highly telegraphed
- high cost
- reflectable
- blockable
- dodgable

In addition the self-healing component dropped (according to my combat metrics) from making up for 15-20% of my self-healing to about 4-6% - just due to needing a target.

If you compare that to fear, fossilize et al its just not competitive.

Feanor · October 2018

I heard the NASA is having an arctic blast at the moment. It’s quite a bit more awesome than the mentioned skill.

Streega · October 2018

No. It was one of my favourite skills, now dumped into oblivion because it's totally useless. Stop fixing things that ain't broken!!!

MinarasLaure · October 2018

It's garbage both in pve and pvp.
Clench is thousand times better.
I've replaced it with gripping shards

Trancestor · October 2018

no stun is better than that stun.

Moonsorrow · October 2018

Tested it and did not like it, how it was before was a decent skill and was a flex spot skill on my tanks bar. Oh well, gonna use something else now.

Loshe · October 2018

It was my favorite skill before this nerf, and now it's totally useless. I changed to the other morph who don't need target to heal

Liofa · October 2018

Someone tell me one reason explaining why anyone should use this over Master Destro with donut spam. I'll wait...

Nolic1 · October 2018

It was better when it had an AOE dot based on Health and now its a slow moving easy to avoid stun and the Permaforst skill is better for stun anyways oh and it does damage as well as a multi target stun.

kojou · October 2018

It was frankly a poor design choice.

For my Warden I wanted more sources of Ice Damage, not less for my frost mage... I was using it for a small HoT that gave me minor toughness and Ice damage to proc Winterborn.

I don't understand why they thought that was the right skill to turn into a bad stun. I guess on the bright side it is 2 skill points to use for something else.

Trancestor · October 2018

Liofa wrote: »

Someone tell me one reason explaining why anyone should use this over Master Destro with donut spam. I'll wait...

Well if you want to use an Ice Staff or Dual Wield and still have a stun you could use it, but as i said before "no stun is better than that stun".

SilverIce58 · October 2018

I'd love to see zos try to use that skill reliably in both pve and pvp (on the live servers, not the dev test servers). Maybe then, once they realize how screwed up it is, they'll think about changing it back.

Apherius · October 2018

bet they are gonna buff it next patch and make it undodgeable/unblockable, they nerf the buff and buff the nerf like rune cage.

ccmedaddy · October 2018

Why does magwarden's ONLY class CC have a health-based HoT attached to it? Do they want all magdens to be health tanks? Wtf?

Darkenarlol · October 2018

maybe and i mean maaaybe it can be used with master destro for both hard cc and root options in your toolkit

as for me it was only a nerf for my frostwarden funbuild as i lost both on-demand heal (you need a target just to use the skill

now lol) and a source (i know it was not the best but we don't really have a lot of options) of ice damage to increase

winterborn proc chance.

other morf just doesn't fit icy mage theme so this character was shelved too (btw it was no-shileds vma flawless only frost

casts warden)

thx to nerfmire...

AverageJo3Gam3r · October 2018

Rip healthden. It was a fun change of pace alt.

fred4 · October 2018

Can only agree. Would not slot it as a tank in either PvE or PvP, due to it needing a target.

You could take a healthden into IC before, solo, and not get stuck in a district, as you could actually kill aggroed NPC mobs reasonably quickly. Now there's only Gripping Shards and ulti left. Ah well.

This is laughably bad for a DD. Quite aside from the slow projectile / reflectable etc., the skill is just ridiculously expensive for what it is. WIth 25K health the initial heal / DOT heal are not good enough for consuming a GCD and such a ton of magicka.

I agree with the idea, in another thread, of making one of the Swarm morphs a Fear type effect, because it makes so much sense from an RPG perspective. As a ranged, unblockable, fear, it probably would need most, if not all of the damage taken out, so as not to be too powerful in PvP, but that would be OK. Just revert Arctic Blast, keep Growing Swarm for PvE, and have the other morph be a PvP CC skill with possibly no damage at all.

Psyonico · October 2018

I only have it because I haven't respecced into the other morph yet... The change really hurt my Warden tank

VaxtinTheWolf · October 2018

If they want to remove the damage from Arctic Blast, I think they should add it as an additional effect within frost cloak. You get the resistances yourself and allies as normal, and for the user of the skill they do frost damage to nearby enemies similar to how Sorcerer's Lightning Form functions. That, or have it so you return (x) amount of frost damage to enemies that damage you with direct melee attacks similar to the Dragonknight's Spiked Armor effect.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

Okay. Make old arctic blast the new arctic wind. This means polar gets buffed by inheriting the chilled procing damage making it better than budding seeds in certain scenarios.

Then you remove the tank heal on blast and replace it with a magicka and spell damage scaling version of old blasts damage. That is what needs to happen. It makes a dps morph and a tank morph.

ccmedaddy · October 2018

Hell no. On my frost staff warden build I'm sticking to Accelerating Drain, which is a garbage skill on its own but still less of a dumpster fire than Arctic Blast.

I was really looking forward to not having to be stage 4 vamp all the time but oh well.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Hell no. On my frost staff warden build I'm sticking to Accelerating Drain, which is a garbage skill on its own but still less of a dumpster fire than Arctic Blast.

I was really looking forward to not having to be stage 4 vamp all the time but oh well.

Thats a unique idea. Id probs use the ulti gen one instead of the minor expedition. But at this point we cant move either.

ccmedaddy · October 2018

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Hell no. On my frost staff warden build I'm sticking to Accelerating Drain, which is a garbage skill on its own but still less of a dumpster fire than Arctic Blast.

I was really looking forward to not having to be stage 4 vamp all the time but oh well.

Thats a unique idea. Id probs use the ulti gen one instead of the minor expedition. But at this point we cant move either.

Yeah it's not ideal but it's literally the only stun available for my build (beside Permafrost) ever since they removed the stun from Deep Fissure, so...

I don't use the ulti regen morph because I've read that the ulti regen portion doesn't work if you block cancel the channel, but I might be wrong.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

ccmedaddy wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Hell no. On my frost staff warden build I'm sticking to Accelerating Drain, which is a garbage skill on its own but still less of a dumpster fire than Arctic Blast.

I was really looking forward to not having to be stage 4 vamp all the time but oh well.

Thats a unique idea. Id probs use the ulti gen one instead of the minor expedition. But at this point we cant move either.

Yeah it's not ideal but it's literally the only stun available for my build (beside Permafrost) ever since they removed the stun from Deep Fissure, so...

I don't use the ulti regen morph because I've read that the ulti regen portion doesn't work if you block cancel the channel, but I might be wrong.

Yeah I'd ask around to confirm that.

Maura_Neysa · October 2018

ZoS trashed a useful though niche skill to give Warden total garbage.

Blast is trash for a Tank now. Need a target for self heal, no more Minor Maim
Blast is still trash on everyone else. Useless stun, crap scaling heal, cost to much.

Its so sad because it would have been so easy to fix.
Move Old Blast to Base. Then Polar Wind would still be just as good on tanks as Old Blast was
Give New Blast the same treatment at Impaling Shards. Convert to ranged (with stun.) Converts to Max Magicka scaling. Then the Heal would be useful along with the now applied ice DoT. At least then the

travel time wouldn't manageable.

If only they gave us a window to like test skill in and give feedback. Maybe then ZoS would have understood the utter F

up this change was going to be...... Oh wait, thats right....

munster1404 · October 2018

I changed the morph to Polar Wind. At least it offers more utility by healing an ally. The new Arctic Blast requires player to aim which means I can't pop a heal unless I have an enemy in my sight. The single stun is useless. Loss of AoE damage and it's concomitant secondary effect reduced the skill line's tanking effectiveness.

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

munster1404 wrote: »

I changed the morph to Polar Wind. At least it offers more utility by healing an ally. The new Arctic Blast requires player to aim which means I can't pop a heal unless I have an enemy in my sight. The single stun is useless. Loss of AoE damage and it's concomitant secondary effect reduced the skill line's tanking effectiveness.

Absolutely agree. Skill is *** useless now.

Kadoin · November 2018

I cannot slot a skill that is to be used defensively, yet cannot be used on demand. That makes absolutely no sense in this game.

ESO_Nightingale · November 2018

Kadoin wrote: »

I cannot slot a skill that is to be used defensively, yet cannot be used on demand. That makes absolutely no sense in this game.

Yeah they put no thought into this at all. Im not exaggerating. They don't play the game or warden and they just selected a random skill to give a stun to.

Sevn · November 2018

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

I cannot slot a skill that is to be used defensively, yet cannot be used on demand. That makes absolutely no sense in this game.

Yeah they put no thought into this at all. Im not exaggerating. They don't play the game or warden and they just selected a random skill to give a stun to.

I see this said alot and after 3 years I'm beginning to believe it to be true. Needing a target just to heal one's self is just poorly thought out and clearly untested.