Dizzy swing completely broken

Kanar · October 2018

nryerson1025 wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

nryerson1025 wrote: »

Oh no snipe is broken

Not everyone uses it to gank. I use it as a 40m dizzy swing with major defile.

It's spreading.

I would think you should know better that snipe is not even very strong. It's easy to dodge or break los. I mean, it's better than dizzy but that's not really saying much.

There's a lot of tears about snipe in this thread. Wonder how long before the tears start flowing for double infused DW twin slashes.

This is probably the most uniformed or possibly even self deceitful comment in this thread. Easy to dodge? Break Los? By the time we hear the snipe, one player has fired off two of them, typically reducing health to ~40%.

THEN, the victim being sniped must spot the sniper in a very large radius, while you're saying dodge roll? Are you suggesting that summersaulting across a 40 meter radius area JUST to pinpoint the attacker is easy?

But sure it is easy to break los. But how does the sniper react? He close cloaks and either leaves or waits until you're in a much more vulnerable position--being xV1ed maybe and then does it again

You and [snip] have one thing in common: you blame snipe for cloak. That sniping NB could do the same with crushing weapon and PI; your problem is not with snipe but with cloak.

And yes snipe is so easy to invalidate. Just go by any type of cover and you will never be hit. Someone sniping and cloaking from 40m? Here's an idea, ignore him because he's harmless.

Yeah I occasionally die to snipe-ganker but that doesn't mean anything, just ignore it and move on. What you're really [snip] about is cloak but you for some reason are blaming it on snipe.

[Edit for bait.]

Callous2208 · October 2018

Kanar wrote: »

nryerson1025 wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

usmcjdking wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

nryerson1025 wrote: »

Oh no snipe is broken

Not everyone uses it to gank. I use it as a 40m dizzy swing with major defile.

It's spreading.

I would think you should know better that snipe is not even very strong. It's easy to dodge or break los. I mean, it's better than dizzy but that's not really saying much.

There's a lot of tears about snipe in this thread. Wonder how long before the tears start flowing for double infused DW twin slashes.

This is probably the most uniformed or possibly even self deceitful comment in this thread. Easy to dodge? Break Los? By the time we hear the snipe, one player has fired off two of them, typically reducing health to ~40%.

THEN, the victim being sniped must spot the sniper in a very large radius, while you're saying dodge roll? Are you suggesting that summersaulting across a 40 meter radius area JUST to pinpoint the attacker is easy?

But sure it is easy to break los. But how does the sniper react? He close cloaks and either leaves or waits until you're in a much more vulnerable position--being xV1ed maybe and then does it again

You and [snip] have one thing in common: you blame snipe for cloak. That sniping NB could do the same with crushing weapon and PI; your problem is not with snipe but with cloak.

And yes snipe is so easy to invalidate. Just go by any type of cover and you will never be hit. Someone sniping and cloaking from 40m? Here's an idea, ignore him because he's harmless.

Yeah I occasionally die to snipe-ganker but that doesn't mean anything, just ignore it and move on. What you're really [snip] about is cloak but you for some reason are blaming it on snipe.

[Edit for bait.]

People like this who are too new to PvP to understand basic issues should not be allowed to post. There are people on here that don't know this guy is trolling and will think snipes just fine.

Burtan · October 2018

Just wanna slide this in here. that's me in the vid but a friend memed it on his channel. this was with no speed modifiers, lag or anything else that would usually break Dizzying Swing. All I did here was spam the ability itself, its much much worse if you attempt to weave light attacks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRENGKJMpQU

MaxwellC · October 2018

First Wrecking blow was made practically useless now Dizzing Swing is decimated gotta love pushing out products no matter how the quality is.

RobZha · October 2018

Koensol wrote: »

And thanks to all for keeping this thread on first page during the night. Lets try and keep it that way until ZOS acknowledges this major oversight. @ZOS_GinaBruno

Completely agreed. I'm not good with stam builds as it is but am trying to stick with playing my current character. This skill though was instantly swapped out and there's no way it's going back like this. Utterly broken.

If ZOS had to answer to sorcs with shields I'd like to think they'll eventually have to answer to this as well. It's a big problem that completely ruins a skill in pvp and in turn the ability for some players to use two-handed well enough. We should at least have some comment on what's going on.

Aurielle · October 2018

RobZha wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

And thanks to all for keeping this thread on first page during the night. Lets try and keep it that way until ZOS acknowledges this major oversight. @ZOS_GinaBruno

Completely agreed. I'm not good with stam builds as it is but am trying to stick with playing my current character. This skill though was instantly swapped out and there's no way it's going back like this. Utterly broken.

If ZOS had to answer to sorcs with shields I'd like to think they'll eventually have to answer to this as well. It's a big problem that completely ruins a skill in pvp and in turn the ability for some players to use two-handed well enough. We should at least have some comment on what's going on.

Given that ZOS’s answer to the shield cast time was to make shields scale to a percentage of your health, I expect they’ll “fix” Dizzying Swing by having it land 100% of the time and scale off spell damage.

Burtan · October 2018

Snipe is annoying but I think its something we have learned to deal with. Skills, entire playstyles and weapon lines that simply do not work however is what i think needs to be addressed right now.

Valykc · October 2018

Aurielle wrote: »

RobZha wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

And thanks to all for keeping this thread on first page during the night. Lets try and keep it that way until ZOS acknowledges this major oversight. @ZOS_GinaBruno

Completely agreed. I'm not good with stam builds as it is but am trying to stick with playing my current character. This skill though was instantly swapped out and there's no way it's going back like this. Utterly broken.

If ZOS had to answer to sorcs with shields I'd like to think they'll eventually have to answer to this as well. It's a big problem that completely ruins a skill in pvp and in turn the ability for some players to use two-handed well enough. We should at least have some comment on what's going on.

Given that ZOS’s answer to the shield cast time was to make shields scale to a percentage of your health, I expect they’ll “fix” Dizzying Swing by having it land 100% of the time and scale off spell damage.

^ This.

So accurate!

Immovablestone · October 2018

Bump, wtf ZOS... Has there even been an official acknowledgment?

Ramber · October 2018

sounds like the cancel works just fine

Vapirko · October 2018

Had this same experience first time back in after patch. It felt like I was having to try and engage anywhere from 3-7 dizzy swings before one would connect.

milkbox · October 2018

DoonerSeraph wrote: »

Is Dark Flare also affected by the same issue? Tagging @Tasear (sorry, but we need this passed along, otherwise theres no point in targeted cast time skills like Uppercut, Snipe, and Solar/Dark Flare)

I ran a baby templar through a few public dungeons today, and my dark flare didn't fire at least half of the time. I used to be able to throw it over my shoulder like a basketball trick shot, and if an enemy moved across a room mid-cast it would follow them.

Not so much, now. Really noticable difference.

Koensol · October 2018

milkbox wrote: »

DoonerSeraph wrote: »

Is Dark Flare also affected by the same issue? Tagging @Tasear (sorry, but we need this passed along, otherwise theres no point in targeted cast time skills like Uppercut, Snipe, and Solar/Dark Flare)

I ran a baby templar through a few public dungeons today, and my dark flare didn't fire at least half of the time. I used to be able to throw it over my shoulder like a basketball trick shot, and if an enemy moved across a room mid-cast it would follow them.

Not so much, now. Really noticable difference.

I kind of wondered if dark flare suffered from the same issue. Thanks for confirming. It is safe to say now that every cast time skill that isn't a lock-on channel is broken right now. They cannot leave this unfixed. Of course we can all adapt, but there are people out there who cannot play anything else than this.

Iki · October 2018

Same issue with inevitable detonation that I tested yesterday, good luck landing it on moving targets in pvp. Zos, please, just get rid of cast-times already, they are not fun and do not belong to game with fast-paced combat and high latency.

Aliyavana · October 2018

Has this been acknowledged yet?

Rukzadlithau · October 2018

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Why is there no official word on this, not even a „we‘re looking into it?“ And while you‘re at it code Merciless Charge from the vMA 2h into a bleed already, it‘s an effort of 10 minutes.

ZarkingFrued · October 2018

Yamakaziing wrote: »

Nerftheforums wrote: »

Kanar wrote: »

Yeah I had same issues with snipe at Alessia bridge this morning.

Good, that's indeed a positive change for everybody

You mean you don’t think you should be hit with a friggn archer from up above? Snipers are a big part of warfare. Don’t be a fool. Suck it up. Lethal arrow and snipe are fine. Don’t be that guy who runs up to the gates of Troy and thinks they can roll dodge thru the hail of arrows.

Yeah no one cares.

ZarkingFrued · October 2018

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel can we get some response to this?

Valykc · October 2018

WHERE ARE THE DEVS?! You have all the time to close non-constructive forums threads complaining about Nerfmire but no one can even comment on this over three freaking days?! I even went on a dang crusade on every ESO ad I’ve seen and commented “FIX DIZZYING SWING!” and never got acknowledgement. Keep putting up a fake facade to draw in new players, I’m sure they’ll quit in time too once they are sick of being ignored.

What a ****** disgrace for a development team...

GreenhaloX · October 2018

Man.. there have been issues with Dizzying Swing in PvP for as long as I can remember. It's nothing new. It is so difficult to make that big swack on somebody when they are just so mobile; particularly those jumping and hopping everywhere and every damn which way directions sorcs. Damn.. think they're bunny rabbits or kangaroos or something. Ha ha. Nahh, I quack up each and every time someone mentioned that 2H is only for PvP and not for PvE. Apparently, they don't do PvE much. You can't hit shitt with the Dizzying Swing in PvP. Hell, you can smack bosses and adds all day in PvE, in every contents, because they are right there in front of you and not bouncing and circling everywhere like in PvP.

Girl_Number8 · October 2018

Numerikuu wrote: »

Yikes. I wonder what else is broken then

Most of the game except the crown store~

Valykc · October 2018

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Man.. there have been issues with Dizzying Swing in PvP for as long as I can remember. It's nothing new. It is so difficult to make that big swack on somebody when they are just so mobile; particularly those jumping and hopping everywhere and every damn which way directions sorcs. Damn.. think they're bunny rabbits or kangaroos or something. Ha ha. Nahh, I quack up each and every time someone mentioned that 2H is only for PvP and not for PvE. Apparently, they don't do PvE much. You can't hit shitt with the Dizzying Swing in PvP. Hell, you can smack bosses and adds all day in PvE, in every contents, because they are right there in front of you and not bouncing and circling everywhere like in PvP.

Watch the videos, it’s way worse than before

Olupajmibanan · October 2018

There is a way to know if this thread has been noticed by ZoS.

Start flooding with vulgar, rasistic, sexual, violent and Wrobel-insulting posts, and let's see if they react anyhow

We must draw their attention somehow.

Ragnarock41 · October 2018

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

There is a way to know if this thread has been noticed by ZoS.

Start flooding with vulgar, rasistic, sexual, violent and Wrobel-insulting posts, and let's see if they react anyhow

We must draw their attention somehow.

somewhat worked for magsorcs though.

Valykc · October 2018

Well just keeping bumping all posts related to the issue. If enough people get annoyed by them, ZOS will have to intervene!

ChunkyCat · October 2018

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

I'm one of the few stam nb that uses dizzying swing because it's more fun that sa.

wat

Yamakaziing · October 2018

They changed the game from the way it was a few patches ago because main raids were still getting wiped by solo players. Every update they try to give their blobs and raids full control. It’s getting worse. They really won’t stop until PvP is dead. They want no competition they want to run around all day stealing empty keeps, using this trolly playstyle( after killing a bunch of others styles) last patch and murkmire are nothing but freebies for the raids who have lost over and over and over again. This crap is pathetic. No challenge no point. Removing and adding new pointless crap to make it incredibly easy.

Gargath · October 2018

Valykc wrote: »

Well just keeping bumping all posts related to the issue. If enough people get annoyed by them, ZOS will have to intervene!

They will at most close the thread for bumping, so be careful what you are doing and admitting

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Anyway if they decide that things they did need any change, they will make an update to one of next patches and inform. But bumping won't help you either way.

Valykc · October 2018

Gargath wrote: »

Valykc wrote: »

Well just keeping bumping all posts related to the issue. If enough people get annoyed by them, ZOS will have to intervene!

They will at most close the thread for bumping, so be careful what you are doing and admitting .

Anyway if they decide that things they did need any change, they will make an update to one of next patches and inform. But bumping won't help you either way.

Well dang they close threads for everything nowadays, don’t they? Thanks for the insight, I didn’t they would do it if the person bumping wasn’t the OP. Whoops 😬

ZarkingFrued · October 2018

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Man.. there have been issues with Dizzying Swing in PvP for as long as I can remember. It's nothing new. It is so difficult to make that big swack on somebody when they are just so mobile; particularly those jumping and hopping everywhere and every damn which way directions sorcs. Damn.. think they're bunny rabbits or kangaroos or something. Ha ha. Nahh, I quack up each and every time someone mentioned that 2H is only for PvP and not for PvE. Apparently, they don't do PvE much. You can't hit shitt with the Dizzying Swing in PvP. Hell, you can smack bosses and adds all day in PvE, in every contents, because they are right there in front of you and not bouncing and circling everywhere like in PvP.

Used to be if they hopped you were fine as long as when the cast ended it was on the target, now if you lose targeting for a moment it cancels entirely