Still Not Cool Though

max_only · October 2018

TLDR: Reset your CP to 0

UPDATE.

I found a fix.

I reset my CP to complete 0 and confirmed the dialog. Then I added back the points a bit at a time and I got a new result.

HOWEVER When you level the base skill Feral Guardian to 4 and ready to morph you expect that the level 1 of the Wild Guardian morph would be AT LEAST A BIT HIGHER than the maxed base skill, the tool tip clearly says you will be receiving INCREASED DAMAGE.

Well you won't see the increased damage until lvl 4 of the morph. This is contrary to how it used to be:

Nova lvl 4 is 973 dmg and Solar Prison lvl 1 is 976 dmg.

Meteor lvl 4 is 3406 dmg and Shooting Star lvl 1 is 3410 dmg.

Minimal increases but still INCREASES.

Screencap shows Feral Guardian 4 has more damage than Wild Guardian 1 (on a Stam/health specced warden).

So you have to reset your cp.
(I did not change my stats, my armor or my skill bar from the original complaint)

Original First Post:
Now You're Just Mocking Me

This is the tool tip on the Live Server. 10/22/2018

You serious bruh?

Please someone come in here and argue how these numbers are an INCREASE.
The Skill Morphed to Max. Still an increase bro?

Edit: My stats. I'm a warden health tank that solos in stamina gear

7654 to 7551 for the base damage. This is an increase? What world is that increased?

9188 to 9462 for the ultimate swipe. An entire skill point for 274 points of damage. Worth it!

My Struggle:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/438173/smokey-the-bear-needs-your-help

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/435756/why-nerfing-the-bear

ESO community only bands together enforce when it comes to Sorcerers or Nightblades, ignoring all others who are struggling.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/439220/so-how-bout-dem-bears
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/438534/dear-zos-please-reconsider-the-bear-nerf

Not even acknowledged in the official thread.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/435650/pts-update-20-feedback-thread-for-wardens

I’ve been saying this for weeks but what do I know.

And when you suggest they apply this “logic” to other classes people lose their minds

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/440161/decrease-ultimate-damage-increase-base-dmg-of-class-skills/

MLGProPlayer · October 2018

At least stamden is a decent DPS class overall. Magden is a steaming pile of ***.

Aesthier · October 2018

Awesome find!

Hope they fix that.

VaranisArano · October 2018

Well, and this is me not being sure, but is the decreased damage due to the conversion to physical damage? Like, if you were specced for magicka, wouldn't your tooltip for Feral Guardian be worse?

If that's not whats going on here, I got nothing.

Kilnerdyne · October 2018

Base swipe on Feral Guardian IV is 843, Wild Guardian I is 842.
You have more Magicka+Spell Damage than Stamina+Weapon Damage or your CPs are set to increase Magic Damage.

WreckfulAbandon · October 2018

What a dark and gloomy day it's been where I live. Fitting weather for Nerfmire hunting down and assassinating my playstyle like Leon Trotsky.

max_only · October 2018

Kilnerdyne wrote: »

Base swipe on Feral Guardian IV is 843, Wild Guardian I is 842.
You have more Magicka+Spell Damage than Stamina+Weapon Damage or your CPs are set to increase Magic Damage.

They are not set to Magic damage. They are set to Physical Damage

max_only · October 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Well, and this is me not being sure, but is the decreased damage due to the conversion to physical damage? Like, if you were specced for magicka, wouldn't your tooltip for Feral Guardian be worse?

If that's not whats going on here, I got nothing.

I'm not specced for magicka

VaranisArano · October 2018

max_only wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Well, and this is me not being sure, but is the decreased damage due to the conversion to physical damage? Like, if you were specced for magicka, wouldn't your tooltip for Feral Guardian be worse?

If that's not whats going on here, I got nothing.

I'm not specced for magicka

Then yeah, that's odd. Sorry, couldn't tell from the screenshot.

Kilnerdyne · October 2018

Perhaps a quick shot of your Character overview screen to see Stats?

max_only · October 2018

Kilnerdyne wrote: »

Perhaps a quick shot of your Character overview screen to see Stats?

sure give me a minute.

I'm a health Warden tank that moonlights as a classic hunter when solo.

max_only · October 2018

like i said i'm a Warden Tank, health based. When i'm solo i put on a bunch of stamina armor and slot bow/dw and bear. I should have taken pictures from the day before the patch...

ccmedaddy · October 2018

I'm lowkey hoping they forgot to nerf the base morph.

Xeniph · October 2018

You have to compare a lvl 1 ability with a lvl 1 ability.

You can't compare lvl 4 to a lvl 1.

LeHarrt91 · October 2018

Level up the morph and then see how much is does.

max_only · October 2018

Xeniph wrote: »

You have to compare a lvl 1 ability with a lvl 1 ability.

You can't compare lvl 4 to a lvl 1.

No, that morph is fully leveled. That’s the morph I’ve been using, that screen shot is from the Shrine menu.

Wait
Maybe you are into something, let me double check.

Edit, still no bro. Picture incoming

yeah....

7654 to 7551... increased!

weedgenius · October 2018

Will it maybe become greater if you level Wild Guardian all the way (from I to IV)?

Xeniph · October 2018

The ability tooltip will always show rank 1 until it's invested in.

Invest in it and then compare. So invest into wild guardian and it will show it at rank 4 and compare it to the rank 4 Feral in the screenshot.

If that isn't the issue then something is wonky. However it clearly shows rank 4 vs rank 1. So that should be why.

JobooAGS · October 2018

max_only wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

You have to compare a lvl 1 ability with a lvl 1 ability.

You can't compare lvl 4 to a lvl 1.

No, that morph is fully leveled. That’s the morph I’ve been using, that screen shot is from the Shrine menu.

Wait
Maybe you are into something, let me double check.

Edit, still no bro. Picture incoming

yeah....

7654 to 7551... increased!

Rip

max_only · October 2018

Xeniph wrote: »

The ability tooltip will always show rank 1 until it's invested in.

Invest in it and then compare it to So invest into wild guardian and it will show it at rank 4 and compare it to the rank 4 Feral in the screenshot.

just did my dude

FatFred · October 2018

haha,zos need to dismiss some careless coders

max_only · October 2018

7654 to 7551 for the base damage. This is an increase? What world is that increased?

9188 to 9462 for the ultimate swipe. For a skill point?

A whopping 274 points of damage. UGH so sexy

Kilnerdyne · October 2018

weedgenius wrote: »

Will it maybe become greater if you level Wild Guardian all the way (from I to IV)?

Xeniph wrote: »

You have to compare a lvl 1 ability with a lvl 1 ability.

You can't compare lvl 4 to a lvl 1.

Unmorphed lvl 4 damage skills are within 1 damage point of the Morphed lvl 1 skill.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Animal_Companions

Just went to test & OP is correct I believe, I have the same on my Warden Tank, screenshots below (0 CP in Mighty or Elemental Expert).

max_only · October 2018

ESO, the game where you spend skill points to be weaker!

MooseKnuckles88 · October 2018

Just wow...

ESO_Nightingale · October 2018

So wild guardian is useless?

max_only · October 2018

@Tasear

Hey, could you pass this on?

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Hellooooo, McFly!

These combat devs give you some backward logic to feed us and leave you hanging when it’s plain as day.

max_only · October 2018

Xeniph wrote: »

The ability tooltip will always show rank 1 until it's invested in.

Invest in it and then compare. So invest into wild guardian and it will show it at rank 4 and compare it to the rank 4 Feral in the screenshot.

If that isn't the issue then something is wonky. However it clearly shows rank 4 vs rank 1. So that should be why.

weedgenius wrote: »

Will it maybe become greater if you level Wild Guardian all the way (from I to IV)?

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

Level up the morph and then see how much is does.

Xeniph wrote: »

You have to compare a lvl 1 ability with a lvl 1 ability.

You can't compare lvl 4 to a lvl 1.

When you level a base skill and it’s ready for a morph the lvl 1 morph is supposed to be higher than the lvl 4 base skill.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Animal_Companions

Nova lvl 4 is 973 and Solar Prison lvl 1 is 976.

Meteor lvl 4 is 3406 and Shooting Star lvl 1 is 3410.

Minimal increases but still increases.

Please tell me how 7551 is greater than 7654?

LeHarrt91 · October 2018

Or maybe the base skill wasnt affected by the 30% reduction to the bear and only the morphs were, 'even tho it says skill and its morphs'

LeHarrt91 · October 2018

Can you unmorph and choose the other morph (Eternal) just to compare the damage?

starkerealm · October 2018

Kilnerdyne wrote: »

weedgenius wrote: »

Will it maybe become greater if you level Wild Guardian all the way (from I to IV)?

Xeniph wrote: »

You have to compare a lvl 1 ability with a lvl 1 ability.

You can't compare lvl 4 to a lvl 1.

Unmorphed lvl 4 damage skills are within 1 damage point of the Morphed lvl 1 skill.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Animal_Companions

Just went to test & OP is correct I believe, I have the same on my Warden Tank, screenshots below (0 CP in Mighty or Elemental Expert).

Well, that was my first thought. I guess this gets reported. Ouch.